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      CommentAuthorAriana
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008
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    If you're the magazine editor and you know the people who write The Good Shit, how in hell do you not double their rates or find some other way to bribe them and buy residencies?
    As with most of your Good Ideas, my theory is that people are just waiting for you to get disgusted with telling them Point by Point how to do it, and just do it yourself.

    And now I'm going to run, yes.
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    As with most of your Good Ideas, my theory is that people are just waiting for you to get disgusted with telling them Point by Point how to do it, and just do it yourself.

    ggggaaaaaaaAAAAAAA
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      CommentAuthorAriana
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008
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    ggggaaaaaaaAAAAAAA
    I'm running AWAY. Surely you mean GGGGAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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    You can't run any faster than I can, limpy.

    Hey, I'd love to have enough money to pay $500/1000 words and then pay myself enough to give up writing to edit... or maybe not.
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      CommentAuthorAriana
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008
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    Hey, I'd love to have enough money to pay $500/1000 words and then pay myself enough to give up writing to edit... or maybe not.
    Oh don't tease, you crazy old man. You know I can edit, AND I eat less than you. And who you callin' limpy? I haven't been on the cane in... oh SHUT UP.
    • CommentAuthorjasonb57
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008
     (1609.106)
    Lucifal: I don't think there's a lot to add to the question. Christ, it's been hammered to death, beaten like a dead horse, run to ground...ya know, like crappy analogies. :)

    Thus, the reason I didn't provide a more verbose, bullshit answer. All the same, I thought it was nice that the SFSignal folks thought enough of Apex to ask my opinion.

    You know what, Nick Mamatas provides a great answer...so I'll piggyback Nick and say "What he said."
    http://nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com/1091586.html
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    Hey, I'd love to have enough money to pay $500/1000 words and then pay myself enough to give up writing to edit... or maybe not.

    Considering how many people on Whitechapel have noted that you've been a source for their discovery of new fiction I think you'd be a hell of a resource, if not a straight up editor.

    Not just shining your apple here. Your discussions of SF magazines got me thinking about what I can do to support the good out there. I just properly subscribed to Weird Tales after being a spotty purchaser.

    I think you'd be a damn good influence on the market for alot of people.
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      CommentAuthorLucifal
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2008
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    I don't think there's a lot to add to the question. Christ, it's been hammered to death, beaten like a dead horse, run to ground...ya know, like crappy analogies. :)
    I was just pointing out that there were editors amongst the voices over there. No one asked me for my opinion. Thankfully.

    I've just acquired a subscription with Weird Tales too. Thick and incredibly pulpy, like it always has been. It'd be interesting to hear what more people thought of Murky Depths though. I mean, the ones who have picked up a copy, because it is very different from the other short story mags.
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    Listen, set up a new MURKY DEPTHS thread, with buy links and all, and directly ask people for their responses to the mag.

    That goes for GUD and the others represented here. One thread each, in the Fantastika section.

    (That goes for web-based mags too.)
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    Warren wrote: See, this is one of the things I completely fail to understand. If you're the magazine editor and you know the people who write The Good Shit, how in hell do you not double their rates or find some other way to bribe them and buy residencies?

    You know the problem. Them's with the cash don't got the sensibility. Also, the American market is just plain weird. I mean, I know Gordon Van Gelder knows the good stuff, but still there's all these mediocre genreheads extruding plastic. It's the way the market is.

    I figure the rise of fanboys maps onto the rise of fascism. It's not just passive consumption, it's angry and aggressive consumption. God damn you, Alan Moore, give me more Superman! Fuck you David Mack, you did not conceal your working methods from me; now you must DIE! Those Siegel people should be shot.

    Give these idiots Borges or Lula and it breaks their little brains. They'd have to become participants in the world, then.

    And British SF, and genuine hard SF, keeps on being Charlie Stross. Thinking for yourself is scary! Don't talk to me about the collapse of Western Capitalism. Um, um, um... Why aren't you wearing a flag pin? Don't you love America?

    And so on.

    Local bookstore I patronize: One (count it) one copy of the John Kessel collection. But a wall of half-chewed fantasy crap. If I was still selling books, I'd have a huge promotion of SF short story books, and I'd tie it to McSweeneys. I talked to my old friend who works there -- no longer as a buyer -- and he introduced me to someone as "the reason we get to keep certain books in stock". Christ Almighty! Shopping is now officially a radical gesture.
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      CommentAuthorFerburton
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2008
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    The only magazine I'm currently reading, which is during my slow days at work, like I would the newspaper, is Weird Tales, which I have a 3 issue subscription too, that I really want to resubscribe to. It's a great magazine and I've enjoyed what I've read thus far. I can see how it is different from other SF magazines on stands right now. I especiall liked the issue that included the rather odd penguin and his son. It was different, and I liked that. Hopefully it will continue on as it is. Murky Depths and Steampunk magazine are the only other magazines I'm looking in to buying issues from, as they're the only ones that seem to spike my interests.
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      CommentAuthorlamuella
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2008
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    last time I was in England, I spent a whole day in the centre of London looking for a copy of Interzone because I remember it being brilliant and weird when I was younger. I simply couldn't find it. Even Forbidden Planet didn't have it.
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      CommentAuthorkaolin
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2008
     (1609.113)
    @Lucifal - What about the GUD whores?

    How dare you! ;)

    @graves - Is there a way to catch up and buy [all of GUD] in one go?

    I'm afraid at the moment there isn't. The quickest way to get what we've currently got would be as two subscriptions--0 & 1 and then 2 & 3. I need to work on that. At the very least, I could set up a 2 year subscription thing to start.

    @jasonb57 - Apex Digest is distributed via Ingram, Disticor, Media Solutions, etc...

    I'd love to hear any suggestions you have regarding distribution!

    @kadrey - The cover of a magazine isn't art.

    GUD's striving for "art" versus "illustration" with its covers (and interior pieces). How are we doing? (Whitechapel link).

    @warrenellis - [responding to what he thinks of the Murky Depths covers]

    What about GUD's covers? Ooh ooh ooh! ;) :) (Whitechapel link).

    @warrenellis - See, this is one of the things I completely fail to understand. If you're the magazine editor and you know the people who write The Good Shit, how in hell do you not double their rates or find some other way to bribe them and buy residencies?

    I'd love to bribe you sometime, Mr. Ellis. :) Hmm.

    @warrenellis - Listen, set up a new MURKY DEPTHS thread, with buy links and all, and directly ask people for their responses to the mag. That goes for GUD and the others represented here. One thread each, in the Fantastika section.

    Er, okay. Thank you. :)
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    @warrenellis - See, this is one of the things I completely fail to understand. If you're the magazine editor and you know the people who write The Good Shit, how in hell do you not double their rates or find some other way to bribe them and buy residencies?

    I'd love to bribe you sometime, Mr. Ellis. :) Hmm.


    No no no no fucking no. There are plenty of writers with a print pedigree whose names on a cover guarantee a purchase from certain audiences. I'm not one of them.
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      CommentAuthorkaolin
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2008
     (1609.115)
    Bah, I love the little twisted murder mysteries you've done. Though we do break your cardinal rule--we wouldn't have your name on the cover (unless that was part of the bribe). But we would be advertising it to hell and gone, socially. And I think your name on the cover guarantees a purchase from a different certain audience. But I'll let that lie (for a bit).

    We have had a couple of up-and-coming names (Jason Stoddard, Lavie Tidhar, probably others I didn't notice), but I think they're still in the realm of niche. I recently read Jason's "Winning Mars" (originally in Interzone) in the collection "Dangerous Games". Really good stuff (and oddly... I skimmed the first bit of it back when it was in Interzone and couldn't stand it. I think that means I hate Interzone's format).

    Back to the original subject, somewhat--I have to say the latest issue of Apex Digest kicked ass. If you've formed anything but a glowing impression of the magazine from previous issues, I strongly suggest checking out #12. And I also read a poetry rag (well, it's newsprint anyway... kind of interesting in that right) called Grasslimb (but its primary focus is poetry and I can only take so much...).

    Ellen Datlow (and others) seem to be rocking it with their anthologies of late.

    Top of the list for GUD at the moment, besides "not folding" and "getting out the next issue" is a website revamp. We've got a professional designer working on it in trade. Any moment now. Speaking of, I should get back to working on her site...

    Okay, I've had enough coffee to be completely scattershot but not enough to make the headache go away...
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      CommentAuthorkaolin
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2008
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    In my mind, I'm reading a wordless comic of Warren Ellis chasing after Ariana, round and round about--and somehow it's a huge multi-layered metaphor for something I can't quite put my fingers on
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    In my mind, I'm reading a wordless comic of Warren Ellis chasing after Ariana, round and round about--and somehow it's a huge multi-layered metaphor for something I can't quite put my fingers on

    My life? Ariana's essentially criminal nature?
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    We have had a couple of up-and-coming names (Jason Stoddard, Lavie Tidhar, probably others I didn't notice), but I think they're still in the realm of niche.

    Off Jason's site: "At night, he writes science fiction that’s made him a finalist for the Theodore Sturgeon Memorial Award, the Sidewise Award for Alternate History, and has earned him Hugo nominations. His work has been seen in Sci Fiction, Interzone, Strange Horizons, Futurismic, GUD, original and reprint anthologies edited by Ellen Datlow and Gardner Dozois, and other publications."

    I think he's coming out of "niche."
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    Back in junior high math class I discovered a dilapidated & molested collection of Asimov's which had developed a strange rash of crude penii illustrations throughout. I was able to ignore this disorder and read through every short in them, instead of paying attention to the teacher who spent more time groping the underdeveloped female asses in the class than actually trying to educate. A few years later my dad got me a subscription that lasted until I got bored of the plots that seemed increasingly amateur and immature as I got older.

    Haven't even touched an issue in several years now but I think the good memories of reading them in my youth are what led me to launch my two current projects, Burst Fiction and the Trajectory Progressive Scifi Festival. I'd love to see some good innovative contemporary scifi really take off but don't expect any of the old publishers or zinesters to help out at all.
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    Erik, launch a new thread to tell us more about Trajectory at some point?