Whitechapel - Nootropics and othe brain boosters... 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla & Feed Publisher Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=38305#Comment_38305 2008-04-09T15:07:23-07:00 2008-04-09T15:07:44-07:00 Val A Lindsay II http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1680 After reading about Mr. Steven's experience with Piracetam, I was wondering who else here might have experience with this and other memory/brain enhancing supplements, as I have none beyond vitamins ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=38377#Comment_38377 2008-04-09T17:23:52-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Doctor Pockets http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=66 If you're going to try piracetam (or aniracetam) make sure to take a choline supplement with it. Piracetam burns choline at a high rate, so you'll need to supplement it, or you risk severe headaches. Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=38407#Comment_38407 2008-04-09T18:37:31-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 rstevens http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2330 I take at least 1000mg of Choline every day, have for years. Usually with Inositol. It's good juice. Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=38416#Comment_38416 2008-04-09T19:12:21-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 lizbt http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=423 How much are you guys shelling out in supplements a month? Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=38424#Comment_38424 2008-04-09T19:39:40-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Doctor Pockets http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=66 You can get things like piracetam in bulk - 750g in powdered form, for less than $25. That will last you months. Same thing for just about anything else, much of it much cheaper. Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=38426#Comment_38426 2008-04-09T19:44:01-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Doctor Pockets http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=66 For anyone interested, this place is a pretty good source of bulk nootropics. this place is a pretty good source of bulk nootropics.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=38627#Comment_38627 2008-04-10T10:23:34-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Val A Lindsay II http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1680 Sweet; Thanks for the info... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=38779#Comment_38779 2008-04-10T16:29:26-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 m1k3y http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1090 so how noticeable is the difference after taking piracetam? i'm definitely keen to try it out. i'm also contemplating a rough experiment to measure it's effects. something like taking an IQ ... i'm definitely keen to try it out.

i'm also contemplating a rough experiment to measure it's effects.
something like taking an IQ test before and after.
(also I've never had an IQ test, so it's a good excuse)]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=38784#Comment_38784 2008-04-10T16:39:15-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 steveburnett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=941 Noted from Howard Rheingold on his twitterfeed, a story on CNN: 20% of scientists, educators polled using brain enhancing drugs. Howard Rheingold on his twitterfeed, a story on CNN: 20% of scientists, educators polled using brain enhancing drugs.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=38804#Comment_38804 2008-04-10T17:31:51-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 m1k3y http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1090 see also: Drugs, Body Modifications May Create Second Enlightenment Drugs, Body Modifications May Create Second Enlightenment]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=39879#Comment_39879 2008-04-14T09:08:01-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Doctor Pockets http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=66 My experience with piracetam: I took piracetam for about a year, every day, 3000 mg/day (1000 mg at breakfast, lunch, dinner each), plus 1000 mg of choline in the morning, plus another B-complex ...
I took piracetam for about a year, every day, 3000 mg/day (1000 mg at breakfast, lunch, dinner each), plus 1000 mg of choline in the morning, plus another B-complex cap.

I noticed a difference right away: I didn't get any "smarter," really, but the mental activity picked up a lot. I was able to think very quickly and clearly though things. I noticed that my creativity was boosted and I came up with many more novel approaches to problems as they came up. Not a stimulant effect, but a very stong "in the zone" level of cognitive functioning - if that makes sense.

But it didn't stay like that. The effects would come and go. I don't know if it was the dose I was taking (from what I read, 3 g a day is an average dose), bu some days it felt like nothing, others it was very noticable. It wasn't predictable - 3 or 4 days (or more, sometimes a couple weeks) of great effect, then a day or two or more of back to normal. I experimented with diet, caffeine intake, etc. to try to figure it out, but I wasn't able to get why the piracetam effects were so inconsistent.

I quit taking it when I did a 6-week detox, and never went back on it. I never noticed any negative side effect while on or off it. I've thought about starting to take it again, but haven't gotten around to it, probably because my experience with it just wsn't reliable enough.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=39890#Comment_39890 2008-04-14T10:14:12-07:00 2008-04-14T10:15:33-07:00 Rootfireember http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1551 There was an article in national geographic on aging some months back which indicated some studies were showing that over use of 'brain boosters' tended to 'dry out' the brain. I'm not quite sure ... ~I'll hunt up the article and a popper quote later when cleaning my room.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=40792#Comment_40792 2008-04-17T12:00:08-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Val A Lindsay II http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1680 @shawnclark Thanks for the detailed experience!
Thanks for the detailed experience!]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=40798#Comment_40798 2008-04-17T12:27:40-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Willow Bl00 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=604 Matt can clarify on what kind he introduced me to (sorry, I don't have it in front of me), but the most noticable differences for me had to do with processing abilities. The easiest to explain is ... Auditory Processing Disorder, which ties into my dyslexia. Part of this is that I've never been able to discern individuals in group conversation - it's like my brain is given too many variables and just gives up. So not having that happen was pretty cool.

Which reminds me, I need to start back up again. Where did I put all those bottles..?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=40822#Comment_40822 2008-04-17T14:35:09-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 synthsapien http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2049 My memory and concentration has been fuzzy for years and a constant annoynace. Forgetting the most obvious of words during a conversation, especially at work, makes me feel stupid and slow. I never ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=40875#Comment_40875 2008-04-17T19:45:08-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 roque http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=482 I take DMAE. it seems to help my concentration and memory, and helps me misspeak less often. I take 130 mg a day. I'd take larger doses, but I have to conserve my supply because it's not ...
anybody ever tried Arcalion? I've gotten curious about it.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=40893#Comment_40893 2008-04-17T21:29:15-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 MickeyKnox http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=926 I've taken DMAE on and off for years. When I take it, I notice almost immediately that I can remember multiple things better and for longer periods (for example, a concert set list or quotes from a ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=41251#Comment_41251 2008-04-18T21:39:25-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 roque http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=482 *nod* yeah, that's a big part of it. I used to be able to remember a phone number or other list after one listening. the DMAE has helped me to get some of that ability back, which is useful. I ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=41331#Comment_41331 2008-04-19T10:43:31-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Greg SBB! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=856 Are these restricted in the UK? From what I could tell most are prescription only over here, although those that aren't prescription only in the USA seem to be freely importable. Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=43608#Comment_43608 2008-04-24T11:19:31-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 AlephNought http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=448 Willow: I set you up with 800mg Piracetam and 250mg Choline (as Choline Bitartrate); 3/1 each, respectively. This was my usual daily routine. Currently experimenting with larger doses; some ... Willow:
I set you up with 800mg Piracetam and 250mg Choline (as Choline Bitartrate); 3/1 each, respectively. This was my usual daily routine.

Currently experimenting with larger doses; some sites have suggested both "attack doses" of up to 7200mg for beginners(1) and regular doses of the same amount(2).

(1) I'm not sure what the point of an "attack dose" would be (presumably, it's to "break you in"; I've never had the need for one, and I'm still researching if there's any real evidence that such helps, but your mileage may vary). At worst, it seems, you may be out some extra brain pills; I haven't yet read any accounts of it doing any harm.

(2) I've tried 8000mg Piracetam and 500mg Choline (as Choline Bitartrate) for the past week or so, with the following results:

a) Man, you can burn through money on brain pills quickly
b) Wow, do I feel with-it in the morning

Didn't change any other variables in my daily routine, of course. (SCIENCE!) And it's definitely an informal study. But uberdoses seem to have a considerable effect, as compared to what might be theorized as a preservative (in the good sense) and / or general brain health maintenance effect at lower doses. Then again, as Rootfireember suggests, I may be "dried out" from years of use...I've yet to find that article, and would love to read up on it should someone find it.

Good things to keep in mind reading the above: I'm 26, in good physical and mental shape, and have no history of neurological disorder. Piracetam appears to be reported as having a favorable effect on Alzheimer's, Down syndrome, dementia, and dyslexia; regarding these, I'm not qualified to report.

Postscript: Received some Aniracetam (purported to be around four to eight times more potent than Piracetam, not to mention fat-soluble, so effects should last longer) yesterday; did the math (obviously) and found out if this were accurate that this would be a more economical solution. Plan to test this theory over the next week or so. Results as they arrive!]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=43799#Comment_43799 2008-04-24T17:55:06-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 m1k3y http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1090 thanks Aleph! Keep us posted. Yet to source some myself, but it's on my ToDo list :) and your insight will be very handy Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=44385#Comment_44385 2008-04-26T13:44:58-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Luke http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=193 I've been trying Piracetam and noticed great changes in my head. I wouldn't say the "IQ test before and after" is a good test - I didn't find it increased my intelligence (how the hell ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=46894#Comment_46894 2008-05-03T11:47:17-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Val A Lindsay II http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1680 @Alphenought Thanks for all your info. Keeping an eye peeled for your Aniricetam results...
Thanks for all your info. Keeping an eye peeled for your Aniricetam results...]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=46919#Comment_46919 2008-05-03T13:13:08-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 AlephNought http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=448 Finished a week's test, results are mostly positive. Will update fully when time allows. Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=47504#Comment_47504 2008-05-05T06:21:49-07:00 2008-05-05T06:24:22-07:00 AlephNought http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=448 Ok, so. Apologies for the delay; it's been busy this week. People come to town, people leave town. Like ya do. To recap: the 2400mg Piracetam and 250mg Choline daily routine more or less worked ...
To recap: the 2400mg Piracetam and 250mg Choline daily routine more or less worked in the background (at least for me); seemed to be more for the long-term benefits than the immediate whiz-bang.

8000mg Piracetam and 500mg Choline brings what might not be so accurately called "whiz-bang" as "oooh, hey". Less of the nervous crackle of your traditional caffeine and like energizers, a much more calm , with-it sense. Relaxed but still very motivated. I like Luke’s description;
“[r]ather it cleared out all the gunk and sloth […] more mentally active and focused, just getting up and getting things done. Basically using my existing abilities far better”.


Aniracetam tests had a very similar effect. Tried 2250mg Ani (3x750mg) and 500mg Choline during the week last week, resting on the weekend. The effect was nearly identical to the 8000mg Piracetam test, save for:

1) It seemed a bit more subtle, and
2) It lasted nearly all day


Given that I’ve done reading / informal research on the matter, I suppose the placebo effect can’t be discounted in the results. That said, in comparison, I think the claim that Aniracetam as a fat-soluble molecule has a longer duration of effect than Piracetam (water-soluble) seems justified, though I question slightly the claims (not really easy to verify exact numbers between sources anyway) that Ani is four to eight times as potent as its water-soluble cousin. I might give it 3x, but again, that’s personal experience. Your mileage may vary.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=47608#Comment_47608 2008-05-05T12:12:06-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Willow Bl00 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=604 Thank you for the input! I'll look into it as my next option. Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=47618#Comment_47618 2008-05-05T13:04:25-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 kevin http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3426 Thanks for the input, Matt. Mind if I quote your findings for something I'm writing up? Mind if I quote your findings for something I'm writing up?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=47621#Comment_47621 2008-05-05T13:27:00-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 AlephNought http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=448 @kevin: By all means! It's fairly informal, but feel free to quote as desired. I keep on hearing bits about Modafinil / Provigil (purported to curtail needs for sleep, as well as for general ... @kevin:

By all means! It's fairly informal, but feel free to quote as desired.

I keep on hearing bits about Modafinil / Provigil (purported to curtail needs for sleep, as well as for general memory / attention enhancement); anyone have any experience? It's prescription; I've not had the chance (or justifiable need) to try it.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=52029#Comment_52029 2008-05-19T23:05:38-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Kosmopolit http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346 So just out of curiosity has anyone here tried Oxytocin? Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=75714#Comment_75714 2008-08-12T20:33:49-07:00 2010-05-02T11:53:11-07:00 Rachæl Tyrell http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552 So, I've been doing research, and I found this: One potential problem with aniracetam that has been discussed is excitotoxicity. In an animal model of multiple sclerosis, aniracetam increased the ...
One potential problem with aniracetam that has been discussed is excitotoxicity. In an animal model of multiple sclerosis, aniracetam increased the onset and duration of symptoms, and this has been presumed to be due to the effects of aniracetam on AMPA transmission, since AMPA antagonists are therapeutic in this condition. However, the effect of aniracetam in worsening this condition was referred to as "slight" [35]. Aniracetam has not been found to induce seizures. In fact it has slight antiepileptic action [3], but it is possible that it may interfere with some antiepileptic drugs.

They keep testing me for MS, which always comes up negative, but which is what has ignited my interest in keeping my brain as fine tuned as possible. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should or should not avoid, given the information above?

Will my GP doc think me wacky if I ask him for Modafinil? Is this a very unknown sort of drug to bring up to a regular doctor?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=75881#Comment_75881 2008-08-13T12:15:24-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 AlephNought http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=448 @RachaelNoel Safest choice, of course, is to not make use of Aniracetam at all. Looking to see if I can find any additional information on the subject; I haven't seen any reports of similar ...
Safest choice, of course, is to not make use of Aniracetam at all. Looking to see if I can find any additional information on the subject; I haven't seen any reports of similar concerns for Piracetam, so it may be worth examining that option. Idebenone is a non-racetam nootropic that's listed as having a beneficial effect for those experiencing myelination problems, so that may be worth checking out as well. Of course, as a caveat, talk to your doctor or GP before starting any new supplement you're not 100% certain about. But, as far as research, that's where I'd begin looking.

I'm not certain about the Modafinil; tough to gauge if that's gaining in popularity enough yet to raise red flags if someone comes in and asks for it specifically. I'm all but certain most doctors/GPs know of it by now, though.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=125974#Comment_125974 2009-02-07T17:45:52-08:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 AlephNought http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=448 ImmInst Forums - Racetams Ban tl;dr - One bad overseas shipment has the FDA jumpy, which has affected supply of some but not all -racetams. In case anyone else was wondering what's been ... ImmInst Forums - Racetams Ban

tl;dr - One bad overseas shipment has the FDA jumpy, which has affected supply of some but not all -racetams.

In case anyone else was wondering what's been happening over the past few months.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=126020#Comment_126020 2009-02-07T20:02:22-08:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Val A Lindsay II http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1680 @Alephnaught They're made from peanuts now?
They're made from peanuts now?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=126034#Comment_126034 2009-02-07T20:56:53-08:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 AlephNought http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=448 @Val Heh. If you're trying to find Aniracetam, it may as well be, though it's by no means impossible. Pir- and Oxi- appear to be mostly unaffected (or at the very least available without needing ...
Heh. If you're trying to find Aniracetam, it may as well be, though it's by no means impossible. Pir- and Oxi- appear to be mostly unaffected (or at the very least available without needing to scour all the t00bs). There was a bit around the beginning of Dec., though, where it was tough to find any of them.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=126036#Comment_126036 2009-02-07T21:07:24-08:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 James Puckett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911 What are the differences between Choline Bitartrate and Choline Citrate in regard to use with Piracetam? Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=126115#Comment_126115 2009-02-08T04:15:21-08:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 AlephNought http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=448 I've only ever used choline bitartrate for supplementation, primarily since it's the least expensive. I've had no issues, and it takes care of the slight queasiness one can feel taking a -racetam w/o ...
Two threads where the merits and downsides to both (as well as CDP Choline and Alpha GPC) are discussed are below:

Choline citrate vs. bitartrate

ImmInst Forums - what type of choline?

Really good question; I'll probably try some of the other choline supplements next time I'm out, and report back on any significant differences.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=126254#Comment_126254 2009-02-08T17:20:24-08:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 J. Thaddeus http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=286 Just ordered some aniracetam and choline citrate, I'll let you all know how it goes. I was wondering, I read in a few places that racetams help with anxiety, do you think it would help a friend ...
I was wondering, I read in a few places that racetams help with anxiety, do you think it would help a friend that needs to take xanex every night?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=126523#Comment_126523 2009-02-09T11:38:08-08:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 americanchemist http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5557 I have no practical experience with nootropics, only knowledge gained from reading, so I'm wondering if any of you with firsthand knowledge can tell me if there are any undesired effects from the ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=127409#Comment_127409 2009-02-11T14:59:37-08:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 J. Thaddeus http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=286 How do you guys take your aniracetam? What should I mix it with? Does it matter. It's fat soluble so does that make a difference? Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=127621#Comment_127621 2009-02-12T10:43:55-08:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 AlephNought http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=448 @J. Thaddeus I can't speak for or against the -racetams with regard to easing anxiety; no personal experience in that regard. I have tried each of the three (seemingly) most popular -racetams ...
I can't speak for or against the -racetams with regard to easing anxiety; no personal experience in that regard.

I have tried each of the three (seemingly) most popular -racetams (Pir, Ani, Oxi) in both powder and pill form. Pill form is obv. the easiest for folks who aren't fond of the taste of the powder (bitter, but not ridiculously so), but is consequently more expensive than just bulk powder.
Some folks swear by taking the powder with fruit juice; I've tried both this and in milk (both moo and soy variety). Similar results all around; nothing really masks the flavor totally, so you may as well mix it in whatever you're drinking anyway. Ani being fat-soluble seems to go better with milk, though, whereas the other two dissolve readily in most anything. No real difference in efficacy to worry about, though; just a matter of how comfortable you are with a mouthful of powder at the end.

@americanchemist

The -racetams / choline are (unsurprisingly) listed as acetylcholinergic; these are (if internet research is to be believed) the same pathways that nicotine operates on. Personally it's had some desirable effects with regard to lessening nicotine dependence, though it's not a whiz-bang insta-fix by any means. As always, your mileage may vary.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=162089#Comment_162089 2009-06-06T16:11:51-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 James Puckett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911 Is anyone able to recommend a nootropic vendor in New York City? The local chain stores had no idea what I was asking about, but I would imagine that in this city there had to be a place to buy them ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=162522#Comment_162522 2009-06-08T11:46:22-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 justDylan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3561 This whole subject is something of a black box to me. Can someone point me to a reliable information source for someone unfamiliar with these drugs? I'd like to know the types, effects, side effects, ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=162547#Comment_162547 2009-06-08T12:58:09-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 BrianKellett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=234 Does anyone have any information about how to get these in the UK or the ease/legality of importing them? Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=162636#Comment_162636 2009-06-08T16:12:26-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Professor Imagine http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4110 yeah... I'm just jumping on this whole thing as well, but this is exactly why I'm here in whitechapel hanging out with you guys in the first place after reviewing this thread, I definitely feel ... this is exactly why I'm here in whitechapel hanging out with you guys in the first place

after reviewing this thread, I definitely feel informed enough to experiment.

thanks again, whitechapel.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=162639#Comment_162639 2009-06-08T16:22:20-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 AlephNought http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=448 @justDylan Erowid's page on nootropics is a solid place to start, as are the Immortality Institute's nootropics forums. Earlier in this thread I had posted a link from their forums on choline ...
Erowid's page on nootropics is a solid place to start, as are the Immortality Institute's nootropics forums. Earlier in this thread I had posted a link from their forums on choline types and dosages; might be a good place to start.

@Reynolds

To the best of my knowledge, Piracetam (and the -racetams in general), as well as choline supplements are perfectly legal in the UK, and are almost certainly available domestically.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=162964#Comment_162964 2009-06-09T21:45:37-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 justDylan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3561 Thank you AlephNought! Now for the reading. Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=163189#Comment_163189 2009-06-10T21:19:25-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 glukkake http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1693 Oof, my biggest problem is that while I have a very strong urge to try out nootropics, most all of them come with the disclaimer of "do not mix with alcohol". So, is this just "a ...
My main interest is trying a Piracetam-choline mixture, since it seems to be a good, low risk start.

Also, does that mixture need to be an every day thing like taking ssri's in order to feel any effects or is it OK to just normal-sized dose and then just stop, like drinking cups of coffee or should I just hold off entirely until I decide to clean up my act?

Sorry if this seems like an obvious "don't do it" question, but everything I've found has either been from hardcore health nuts or the sorts who can mix everything they want and claim no ill effects and I'd like to see if there's a happy medium.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=163252#Comment_163252 2009-06-11T05:10:37-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 AlephNought http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=448 @glukkake I only have personal anecdotal observations and online research on that matter. A -racetam / choline mixture falls closer to the "a generally bad idea with no proven side ...
I only have personal anecdotal observations and online research on that matter. A -racetam / choline mixture falls closer to the "a generally bad idea with no proven side effects" side of the scale with regard to mixing with alcohol for me. I'm not a heavy drinker (two strong beers is about where I stop on any given evening), and the only effect I've noticed while on the above combo is a slight increase in overall drunkenness. Noticeable, but not game-changing. The ImmInst nootropic forums have a thread with another personal experience, as does Erowid.

Lasting benefit from Piracetam is definitely a process that over time. Ani- and Oxiracetam work somewhat more quickly. You might try a light dose of Piracetam (800mg?) on a day when you won't be drinking heavily to calibrate yourself to its effects and interactions. I certainly won't say "don't do it", but start small.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=168343#Comment_168343 2009-06-24T04:48:44-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Salvatore-Basho http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4911 Ohh, thinking about cognitive augmentation gets me all future-frisky. This is kind of my forte in futurism, really. It sucks I am kind of late to the party, but i have been noticing the growing ... This is kind of my forte in futurism, really.
It sucks I am kind of late to the party, but i have been noticing the growing interest recreational nootropics with great whimsy.

The wired article just strengthens my reserve. I think the people popularizing nootropics will be the architects of the Second Renaissance.

I have been looking for an "Eschalon Event" for this coming enlightened growth. Perhaps this will be it? Stay tuned, dear thinkers.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=168452#Comment_168452 2009-06-24T11:19:58-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Magnulus http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6716 Hmmm... My biggest problem with university studies is clearing my head enough to do proper research for my essays and to then collate all that data INTO a coherent essay. I think this might just be ...
Will definitely try this out when next year of studies starts. Thank you.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=169667#Comment_169667 2009-06-27T10:05:42-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Willow Bl00 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=604 After trying Provigil, I have to give it my endorsement. Added alertness if already awake, keeps you from being exhausted on long hauls. Didn't crash any harder than I would have after being awake ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=169673#Comment_169673 2009-06-27T10:39:54-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Illogic http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3930 You could also take a Lecithin supplement from what I've understood. Might be wrong about that though. Here's a link anyway. Here's a link anyway.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=169682#Comment_169682 2009-06-27T11:04:58-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 BrianKellett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=234 To the best of my knowledge, Piracetam (and the -racetams in general), as well as choline supplements are perfectly legal in the UK, and are almost certainly available domestically. Just checked, ... To the best of my knowledge, Piracetam (and the -racetams in general), as well as choline supplements are perfectly legal in the UK, and are almost certainly available domestically.

Just checked, it's a prescription only medicine - which means getting a doctor to prescribe it. I've no idea on the importing of it, but I would guess that it is legislated against in some way, shape or form.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=171702#Comment_171702 2009-07-04T08:00:58-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 I've just been checking into this, and thought I should mention that there are *heavy* discounts on most of these substances right now on Amazon. Might not compare to the wholesalers, ...
NoöRacetam (Piracetam) 800mg - qty 90 - $15
Choline Bitartrate (500mg) - qty 100 - $5,95

Those are both Amazon Prime items, so if you're on Prime and in the U.S., 2-day shipping is free.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=171710#Comment_171710 2009-07-04T08:52:46-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 AndySpield http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6667 I drank Ginkgo Biloba tea through undergrad and that worked for the most part. I just bought some leaves and would mix it in with hot water for a cup or two. I would take breaks from it so that I ...
Used crystal meth through my masters. I wrote more than I ever need to -- and found connections where there might be none (oh, internet research at 5 a.m., you are a poison), but found that much of the work was erratic, scattered and a little off. Also, my interpersonal abilities suffered as I was often coming down or getting too high for class.

For my PhD, I went straight edge -- not even drinking liquor -- which worked for classroom interactions but was a pain for the dissertation writing. I kept on writing myself into corners and having a hard time out.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=174637#Comment_174637 2009-07-15T12:01:22-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 transceiverfreq http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1361 My experience with nootropics has come full circle as of late. When I was in my 4th grade I was placed under Methylphenidate/Ritalin treatment. My treatment was continued up through to my Senior year ...
I noticed quite a few mental shortcomings over the last few years and want to research Piracetam and Provigil. I'm in Washington and am wondering where to find a source. Also in the same vain, is anyone making capsules from the powder for their own use?

@AlephNought

The links you've shared have been a wealth of knowledge. Thanks very much.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=225372#Comment_225372 2010-03-15T18:53:36-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 Update: I decided to go on a full nootropic "advanced stack" and really go all in, both to help my general concentration and specifically to get myself off of the aforementioned kiddie ...
I decided to go on a full nootropic "advanced stack" and really go all in, both to help my general concentration and specifically to get myself off of the aforementioned kiddie speed, which I had ultimately decided is a really shitty theraputic drug for my purposes. I did my research, took a chunk of my tax return and took advantage of some deep discounts on Amazon. I have a pretty sluggish and insensitive physiology, and it tends to take quite a lot of something for me to notice an effect, so keep that in mind - the amount below are probably not appropriate for most. This stack is designed to replace my previous, much more abusive routine consisting of 2-3 sugarfree Rockstars daily plus Ritalin and/or ephedra and/or ephedrine products, so I have some...metabolic latitude here that most may not.

My current stack:

1600 - 2400 mg Piracetam 2-3x daily
500 mg Choline Bitarate 2-3x daily
50 mg Vinpocetine 3x daily
200 mcg L-Huperzine A 2x daily
200 mg 5-HTP 1x bedtime
200 mg "Dopa-Bean" Velvet Bean extract containing L-Dopa - 2x daily

combined with:
- General Multivitamin "for men"
- Chondroitin/Glucosamine (joint health)
- Omega-3/5 fish oil
- Occasional "Super-B" complex when in need of extra energy
- Occasional "stacker" style metabolism boost pill with caffeine, cayenne etc

So far, I have to say I'm happy with the results. I've been combining all this with a general approach to improving my health and diet - regular exercise and stretching, implementing more of Alton Brown's "rule of four lists" in my diet, and changing jobs to slow my life down. In general I have found not just an increased cognitive sharpness, but an increased amount of, for a better word, *will*. I have heard ADHD described not as an attention disorder, but a will/motivation disorder, and this seemed particularly true for me. The biggest overall effect of my stack has just been an increased willingness to get shit done instead of pushing it off. I'm not pulling all-nighters of frantic productivity like I was on the Ritalin rollercoaster, but doing more and better steady work through the day - and more willing and able to let it go at night.

The effects of the Piracetam have been a bit variable, and I think the stack needs some tweaking to really develop the fullest potential. I'm not sure at all of the value of the 5-HTP and L-dopa supplements, and am considering ditching them for a more fancy choline product. I have been most pleased overall, though, with the Vinpocentine and L-Huperzine - these are both nice, small-dose supplements that anyone who likes a little mental and metabolic boost without stimulant jitters should consider on their own.

My one small practical concern is a thread I found on a forum suggesting that Omega-3 may interfere with the choline uptake cycle that Piracetam utilizes. I'm going to cut it out for a few weeks and see how it goes, but I've been very much trying to build that up as part of my diet, so I'm somewhat torn on that account. The sheer amount of Piracetam and choline is also quite a lot to choke down, so I'm considering the following modification as I restock for a simpler routine:

- 1600 mg Piracetam 2x daily
- 200-400 mg Oxiracetam 2x daily
- Alpha GPC and/or lecethin to provide choline
- Whey protein in place of the 5-HTP - whey protein metabolizes into tryptophan, which in turn is metabolized into 5-HTP
- Neurostim-C 2-3x daily (provides Huperzine and Vinpocetine)
- Kava kava and kratom for mood stabilization
- Ideally cutting out the metabolic stimulants (caffeine, ephedra, energy drinks) for the sake of the ol' ticker and blood pressure (and wallet).

Miscellaneous notes and observations:
- Vinpocetine is anecdotally said to depress the immune system, and I have indeed caught more colds and flus this season than usual.
- There are some reports of 5-HTP causing heart valve damage in combination with B vitamins, which I was getting quite a lot of.
- A Blenderbottle is invaluable for dealing in any of the bulk powders.
- Exercise and changing my diet somewhat have probably done at least 50% of the work. My 10am and 3pm blood sugar dips are much more even and manageable.
- All this stuff doesn't do much for general creativity - but that was never really my problem; seeing things through and having the will to complete a project was. A tax accountant during tax season or a student during finals week probably will benefit from this sort of stack more than an artist or creator looking to fire new ideas.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=225390#Comment_225390 2010-03-15T20:09:53-07:00 2010-03-15T20:10:08-07:00 JiveKitty http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7925 Usually have a bit of a fog in my head which means it's hard to motivate myself to do things. So many ideas, so little brought to fruition. It's been better over the past three years or so since I ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=225429#Comment_225429 2010-03-16T02:47:05-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 JiveKitty - I'm not sure what's legal in your area. All the stuff mentioned in my above post, though, is readily available on Amazon from a variety of outlets, so we're not talking stuff you ...
I'm not sure what's legal in your area. All the stuff mentioned in my above post, though, is readily available on Amazon from a variety of outlets, so we're not talking stuff you have to hunt down on seedy sites, at least.

That being said, the stuff I would recommend to try is Vinpocetine and/or Huperzine A. They are both potent in small doses, so no choking down grams worth of pills, and both seem to be well tolerated by most individuals, have mild stimulant effects, and are relatively cheap.

If you tolerate caffeine well, consider mixing in a good general metabolic stimulant - something with caffeine, cayenne and whatever else is legal in NZ for diet and workouts. And lastly, make sure to add in some melatonin, 5-HTP, kava kava, or similar sleep enhancer to ensure your rest is effective.

Good luck.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=225430#Comment_225430 2010-03-16T02:53:56-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 taphead http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2284 I did a two-week test of 2400 mg of piracetam and ~900 mg of choline a while back, and the results were pretty nice. I noticed a slowly increasing improvement in concentration and clarity, but above ...
No ill effects during the test period.

Now I just need to figure out how to get more of the stuff to Finland, where it's still a prescription medicine.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=225432#Comment_225432 2010-03-16T03:06:40-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 JiveKitty http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7925 Thanks. I will check this stuff out and look at prices and availability. Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=225440#Comment_225440 2010-03-16T05:21:52-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 Depending on quantity, strict legality and so on, Somebody Who Isn't Me might be willing to purchase bulk piracetam and mail it overseas. SWIM gets a steep discount on shipping on certain Amazon ... bulk piracetam powder.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=225939#Comment_225939 2010-03-18T20:03:03-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 JiveKitty http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7925 Looks like I will be waiting until next month when I return to Wellington to check prices out. The small town I'm currently (very temporarily it's hoped) living in doesn't have anything as far as I ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=226889#Comment_226889 2010-03-23T13:24:40-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 celan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337 I read Ward Dean's book about 15 years ago and have tried many of the one's he recommends. I like taking piracetam (or it's analogues) with centrophenoxine. Hydergine doesn't quite agree with me at ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=226893#Comment_226893 2010-03-23T13:42:03-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 @celan - Interesting, I hadn't run across that one in the various Internet forums I'd been perusing. I'm still tinkering with the stack. After a couple of weeks of the mix I posted above, I've ...
I'm still tinkering with the stack. After a couple of weeks of the mix I posted above, I've decided the vinpocetine may have been hitting my immune system too hard, and have cut that out for the time being, and am taking a week or two off of the piracetam as I've heard it is best to cycle it out every few weeks. Still maintaining the choline, huperzine, fish oil, and have added a Super B-complex +C back in now that I've also laid off the 5-HTC.

Also was finding myself feeling a bit stretched and shaky at the end of the day, so have added in a dose of kava kava extract two to three times per day, and just recently received an order of kratom, which is one of those popular traditional street herbals with an effect analogous to betel nut and nicotine - both mildly stimulating and relaxing at the same time.

The current stack seems less dramatic in effect but more maintainable. I'm going to hold steady on that until I run low on the choline, then try upgrading to some of the premium blends - Neurostim-C + Alpha GPC, and Oxiracetam, if I don't divert into trying the centrophenoxine.

*Something* I've changed up in the last week, though, has had one dramatic effect - my intensity of dreaming has gone way up, to the point of having some difficulty waking up fully. Normally I'm a very minimal dreamer, at least in terms of recall, and I was expecting to see a dreaming boost with the 5-HTC. But cutting that and the dopamine product out and adding in the kava kava and kratom have left me feeling the last couple nights like I've dreamt a small mini-series each night. I can't honestly say yet whether that's actually useful or not. I got similar effects from melatonin and wound up cutting it out for that reason.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=226909#Comment_226909 2010-03-23T14:57:30-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 celan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337 @Finagle Interesting. Kratom does not sound like something that I would go in for but to each their own. Betel Nut is an anti-parasitic in Chinese Medicine (Bing Lang) so that's how I think of it. ... Interesting. Kratom does not sound like something that I would go in for but to each their own. Betel Nut is an anti-parasitic in Chinese Medicine (Bing Lang) so that's how I think of it.
I like New Chapter's Neurozyme for getting the basic Ginkgo/Huperzine/Gotu Kola/Ashwaganday/Bacopa combo. It's kinda pricey but most vitamins are way cheaper for me since I have access to practitioner pricing. Had I more time/money (as with most things, sigh) I would experiment more. I was thinking of giving sulbutiamine a go in the near future.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=226911#Comment_226911 2010-03-23T15:13:24-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 celan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337 Also, did anyone already mention International Anti-aging Systems as a resource? However I realize this is one of those odd instances where it is better to be in the US, as far as importing is ... International Anti-aging Systems as a resource?
However I realize this is one of those odd instances where it is better to be in the US, as far as importing is concerned.
Also these guys have some of the same products:Smart Drugs
Also, slightly off topic, for those who might want to do more drastic things with their consciousness: Shamanic Extracts
I'm sure most Whitechapelers are bright enough to know that anything they do with this info is at their own risk. =)]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=226913#Comment_226913 2010-03-23T15:25:37-07:00 2010-03-23T15:28:13-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 @celan - Well, overall, the kratom is also figuring into my caffeine reduction and eventual nicotine elimination plan. As I mentioned a few posts back, I have a pretty damn sluggish metabolism. In ...
Kratom provides a little somethin'-somethin' in the mix, and so far seems to do so without elevated blood pressure, heart rate, etc, and the same sort of overall quick mental sharpening, but also relaxation, I get now from a cig.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=226929#Comment_226929 2010-03-23T17:00:37-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 celan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337 @Finagle That makes sense for you then. I'm more the super-sensitive type. Have to have my caffeine before 3PM or else major insomnia. (I've been favoring the Function Drinks Alternative Energy as ... That makes sense for you then. I'm more the super-sensitive type. Have to have my caffeine before 3PM or else major insomnia. (I've been favoring the Function Drinks Alternative Energy as my caffeine delivery device.)]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=226948#Comment_226948 2010-03-23T19:06:38-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Rootfireember http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1551 http://www.webmd.com/balance/stress-management/tc/kava-topic-overview I take kava kava tea on occasion for bad days, and while it does seem to help, I've been warned by folks to take it in ... http://www.webmd.com/balance/stress-management/tc/kava-topic-overview
I take kava kava tea on occasion for bad days, and while it does seem to help, I've been warned by folks to take it in moderation and not as a daily thing, as it seems to be able to mes up your liver, and I've heard of it causing upset stomach if being used for prolonged periods.

Anyone notice any negative effects from their regimen of brain boosters, side effects ,etc?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=226956#Comment_226956 2010-03-23T20:05:46-07:00 2010-03-23T20:09:07-07:00 celan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337 @Rootfireember Well, only negative side effect is economic...these things cost money. But the whole idea of the nootropics as a category/concept is that they have little or no side effects. Major ... Well, only negative side effect is economic...these things cost money.
But the whole idea of the nootropics as a category/concept is that they have little or no side effects.
Major issue is that mixing them means you may need to adjust the dose based on their synergy and as someone mentioned earlier the -racetam class of nootropics, while extremely safe and well-researched, requires you to simultaneously supplement with some kind of choline or risk getting a headache.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=227268#Comment_227268 2010-03-25T12:15:08-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 jzellis http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=575 I've had good results from piracetam. But the really amazing results I've had were on my dad. My (step)dad's a great guy, but he's not what you might call an intellectual dude. He's a talented ... really amazing results I've had were on my dad.

My (step)dad's a great guy, but he's not what you might call an intellectual dude. He's a talented blues piano player, but until I gave him piracetam, he'd only read maybe a half-dozen books in his life, mostly in high school for class. Sort of a 70s party guy, you know the type.

My mom and I started him on piracetam...and in the course of a year, he read all of Clive Cussler's novels. I'm aware Clive Cussler isn't exactly Proust, but for a guy who never read for pleasure in his entire life, it was nothing short of remarkable. He just loved reading.

He doesn't take it anymore, and his reading habits have definitely slowed, but he's still reading the occasional book.

It's pretty conclusive to me that piracetam caused his cognition to kick into high gear, and it's never really gone entirely back down.

For what it's worth. :-)]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235353#Comment_235353 2010-05-01T19:29:39-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 atavistian http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6519 @jzellis - Really glad to hear about your dad. Love hearing that kind of stuff. I've just started myself on piracetam and DMEA as of yesterday as an experiment more than anything else. Documenting ...
I've just started myself on piracetam and DMEA as of yesterday as an experiment more than anything else. Documenting it all here in case folks are interested, but if something big seems to happen (or at the end of my experiment, in sixty days) I'll post here in the thread. As a little background, I'm a psychology student with an occupation-background in psychopharmacology as well as a pretty regular meditator, so I've got a pretty good handle on my cognitive processes and capabilities I think. I'm also not liable to blow stuff out of proportion or go all New-Age and announce the Second Coming of Cosmic Hippie Christ. You can expect pretty straight field notes from me.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235500#Comment_235500 2010-05-02T12:32:07-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Rachæl Tyrell http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552 OK, I've been re-reading through all this again, and I've questions for you lot. I've cognitive vision issues, as well as problems with convergence and focus and being crosseyed and whatnot. ...
I've cognitive vision issues, as well as problems with convergence and focus and being crosseyed and whatnot. I've also got ADHD. I've only recently done research and found that the ADHD could be related to the vision issues. Adderol, the few times I've tried it, had a profound and calming effect on me. The only problem is that stimulants, while awesome for my brain, are pretty awful for my already knotted spasming body. Everyone's experiences here regarding piracetam seem very positive - especially Willowb100's, as her auditory processing disorder seems similar to my visual problems in my inability to see through the clutter of information.

The lack of significant side effects is really appealing, as is the fact that it is neither a stimulant nor depressant. I actually don't want to be dependent on any sort of drug but the inability to think clearly is killing me, and I'd do absolutely anything if it would improve my vision. I am concerned though about the effect on the chemistry of someone with ADHD. I imagine there's a possibility that it might make my brain think faster in the wrong way, and end up leaving me more lost in a flurry of rapidfire thought and stimulation.

Also, I was interested in the use of Marijuana as a nootropic. I keep coming across studies which state that moderate use of marijuana increases the neurological volume of the brain. It is also reportedly effective for ADHD, and I've discovered it works wonders for me. I end up in insomniac flurries of activity if I smoke too much, but using a one hitter two or three times a day makes for very productive days indeed.

I'd smoked right before going to my Opthamologist recently. My crossed eyes, which had, months ago, turned towards each other when focusing at 14 degrees, now only turned in at 8 degrees.

Unfortunately, I just don't have it in me anymore to have a lifestyle involving illegal drug use on a regular basis, and my doctor is rather against the notion of giving me Marinol.

Basically, all this ramble is to ask: Does piracetam work for ADHD, and is it something I could ask a psychiatrist for? Are there other non-stimulant drugs in the same family that might be positive for my issues? Aaaaaand, how does marijuana play into the world of nootropics? Are ADHD people more sensitive to the effects of this class of drugs?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235511#Comment_235511 2010-05-02T13:07:56-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 James Puckett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911 Does piracetam work for ADHD, and is it something I could ask a psychiatrist for? The best answer is maybe. It works well for me. But there aren’t a lot of ADHD studies with piracetam, and given ... Does piracetam work for ADHD, and is it something I could ask a psychiatrist for?

The best answer is maybe. It works well for me. But there aren’t a lot of ADHD studies with piracetam, and given how likely it is that any given ADHD diagnosis is incorrect it seems safe to treat what studies do exist with suspicion. I love piracetam, and it does help me focus and think, but I still find creating the right work environment works better than trying to focus on stuff I don’t want to do in an environment that’s full of distractions. You don’t need a psychiatrist to prescribe it—that’s not how the drug is controlled in the US—you just buy it online.

As for marijuana, nobody really even knows what marijuana they’re smoking or what else is in it most of the time, and research-grade pot is shit. Some strains might work, some won’t. It interacts weirdly with other drugs. It could be spiked or adulterated with all kinds of stuff.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235534#Comment_235534 2010-05-02T14:22:20-07:00 2010-05-02T14:23:43-07:00 Rachæl Tyrell http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552 As for marijuana, nobody really even knows what marijuana they’re smoking or what else is in it most of the time, and research-grade pot is shit. Some strains might work, some won’t. It interacts ... As for marijuana, nobody really even knows what marijuana they’re smoking or what else is in it most of the time, and research-grade pot is shit. Some strains might work, some won’t. It interacts weirdly with other drugs. It could be spiked or adulterated with all kinds of stuff.
Well, yes - but only those obtaining it illegally. Medical marijuana is of various strains, bred for specific properties and recommended for different disorders. But yes, as far as my environment where I can't obtain such clean and legal weed, you are totally correct. This is further reason for me to not be willing to take the path of the pothead. Though, the illegality of it is making me terribly angry. I'd be growing it myself and drinking moderate amounts of milk tea otherwise.

How trustworthy are these piracetam producing companies? I mean, is it made by the same companies that make herbal supplements (which have no proper oversight in the US)? Is there any quality control? Even if I CAN buy it online, I'd rather go through a psychiatrist, if possible. At least, while I have health coverage.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235552#Comment_235552 2010-05-02T16:21:09-07:00 2010-05-02T16:26:21-07:00 atavistian http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6519 As a supplement, piracetam isn't regulated or evaluated by the FDA. Depending on who you go through, you're either getting the same quality from typical supplement companies or capsules filled with ...
There've been a few studies regarding Piracetam and ADHD. And while all the ones I've read showed at least some improvement, they've been incredibly small, and mostly in juveniles. So there's no real scientific consensus on it all. I've heard anecdotes from parents and a few practitioners on both piracetam and DMEA/Choline improving behavioral and attentional symptoms, but I've got nothing scholarly to show ya, really. Some studies on mice and rats but not much in humans.

The problem with maintenance treatments based on marijuana is that THC has a tendency, after chronic use, to switch the part of the brain that it's processed in for some people (possibly due to some ill-understood saturation effect). This can lead to cases where people who've had a good relationship with pot for years suddenly and regularly experience massive anxiety and paranoia when smoking up. Marinol tends to be a weak analog to pot based on the fact that Marinol's a single cannabinoid while most marijuana contains dozens of different cannabinoids. Marijuana has some fascinating neuroprotective functions that aren't totally understood yet but if we're ever allowed to get a handle on them I tend to think they'd change neuropharmacology significantly. A recent study on mice showed that THC prevented MDMA neurotoxicity, which created some minor buzz in psychotropic circles as far as coadministration of recreational drugs goes (the study is in the wonderfully open-access PLoS ONE journal if you want the full text).

Edited to add: Marijuana doesn't usually qualify as a nootropic due to the amount of side-effects it can carry (depending on who you talk to, of course), doesn't act as much of a cognitive enhancer, and tends to increase sedation. It's kind of up for debate still, I suppose.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235576#Comment_235576 2010-05-02T17:56:58-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Rachæl Tyrell http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552 "This can lead to cases where people who've had a good relationship with pot for years suddenly and regularly experience massive anxiety and paranoia when smoking up." Wow. I have a ...
Wow. I have a friend who went through exactly that. After years of regularly smoking he suddenly, and without warning, had a severe panic attack to the point of passing out, and ever since hasn't been able to indulge.

I'd asked my pain management doctor about Marinol as an alternative to the Morphine and Vicodin and Lyrica, but he declined. His reasoning was, even though it IS effective for spine/nerve pain, that there are drugs that are more effective, such as Methadone. Also, he told me that were he to give me Marinol, I would have the THC in my system, so when I was drug tested (which I am bi-monthly), I could have been smoking marijuana all month long and they'd not know. ... says the man who gives me Morphine without batting an eye.

That delayed panic response... can it be avoided by switching to a very different strain?

I've found these resources:

Cannabinoid receptor stimulation is anti-inflammatory and improves memory in old rats.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17561311?dopt=Abstract

Alzhiemers-
http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/25/8/1904
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm
http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/news/20061006/marijuana-may-slow-alzheimers
http://www.scripps.edu/news/press/080906.html

Aging brain degeneration-
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081119120141.htm

I suppose that's why I'm very curious as to it's effect on the chemically/neurologically different, like myself. Tourette's, OCD, Trichotillomania, and ADHD all run in my family, and my very OCD/ADHD mother has the same effect from Marijuana as I, being that she becomes more talkative, more active, and it will keep her awake and productive.

Are there branches of nootropics that are more effective for the ADHD brain?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235602#Comment_235602 2010-05-02T20:15:25-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 James Puckett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911 Are there branches of nootropics that are more effective for the ADHD brain? Even the efficacy of drugs that are made specifically to treat ADHD is generally poor. There are different kinds of ... Are there branches of nootropics that are more effective for the ADHD brain?

Even the efficacy of drugs that are made specifically to treat ADHD is generally poor. There are different kinds of ADHD and different kinds of people that create a lot of different responses, and to some extent nobody really knows how any of it works. It’s all just trial and error. If you’re really having trouble dealing with ADHD medication you’re probably better off reading up on ways to structure your life so that you can just manage your ADHD without medication. You don’t have to set yourself up for a lifetime of trial-and-error pharmacology and psychiatry just so you can be a regular white-collar office drone and not annoy people too much.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235609#Comment_235609 2010-05-02T20:43:44-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 celan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337 Does piracetam work for ADHD? I seem to recall that it is good for dyslexia which seems like it might be a related or comorbid condition...if I can track down the reference I'll post it. Does piracetam work for ADHD?
I seem to recall that it is good for dyslexia which seems like it might be a related or comorbid condition...if I can track down the reference I'll post it.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235611#Comment_235611 2010-05-02T20:57:54-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 atavistian http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6519 That delayed panic response... can it be avoided by switching to a very different strain? Eh, doubtful, but I haven't seen any research on it. Are there branches of nootropics that are more ... That delayed panic response... can it be avoided by switching to a very different strain?

Eh, doubtful, but I haven't seen any research on it.

Are there branches of nootropics that are more effective for the ADHD brain?

Piracetam, acetylcholine precursors like DMEA and deanol, hydergine/ergoloid, they all have a basis in some practices. There's some preliminary evidence on all of them, but like most psychoactive drugs the literature goes back and forth, and drawing any firm conclusion is always sketchy because of the particulars of whatever study we're referencing. Even with neurotypicals it's a crap shoot, so there's no firm promises about people with ADHD and/or other comorbid disorders. Piracetam seems to be the one with the most backing, followed up by ergoloids and acetylcholine precursors.

Struggling with this or that medication or even a full family of medications doesn't mean you should abandon the idea of drug/supplement therapies, and continuing to search for therapies sure as hell doesn't mean that you're "setting yourself up for a lifetime of trial and error just so you can be a regular white-collar office drone and not annoy people too much." So stay strong, play around a bit, and try to ignore the rhetoric on either side.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235619#Comment_235619 2010-05-02T22:24:53-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 stsparky http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2311 Rae - ADHD meds that worked for me were Ritalin and Stratera . Adderall and me didn't mix. I'm glad it works for you. Note: FDA does still advise that children should not take Adderall if they ... Ritalin and Stratera . Adderall and me didn't mix. I'm glad it works for you. Note:
FDA does still advise that children should not take Adderall if they have:

* A heart defect
* Other heart problems, including high blood pressure, and heart or blood vessel disease
* Overactive thyroid
* Glaucoma
* A history of drug abuse
* Depression and are taking, or have recently stopped taking, an Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor (MAOI), such as Nardil (phenelzine sulfate), Parnate (tranylcypromine sulfate), Marplan (isocarboxid), and other brands.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235634#Comment_235634 2010-05-03T01:26:12-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Rachæl Tyrell http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552 If you’re really having trouble dealing with ADHD medication you’re probably better off reading up on ways to structure your life so that you can just manage your ADHD without medication. You ... If you’re really having trouble dealing with ADHD medication you’re probably better off reading up on ways to structure your life so that you can just manage your ADHD without medication. You don’t have to set yourself up for a lifetime of trial-and-error pharmacology and psychiatry just so you can be a regular white-collar office drone and not annoy people too much.
@ JamesPuckett: I at no point said I was having trouble dealing with ADHD medication. I'm looking to possibly find a way to deal with my inability to think outside my cluttered mind, and possibly correct my brain to the point that I can learn to use my eyes together instead of seeing everything in a chaotic shifting mess. Just managing my ADHD without medication clearly isn't working. I'm not striving to turn myself into a cubicle slave, i'm trying to find a way to possibly read a book, or finish a painting, or watch a movie, or be able to lose myself in a romantic moment. I've been resisting the notion of medication for a very long time, but discovering the link between ADHD and optic convergence issues has become the last straw. The neurological/brain disorders that run in my family are all comorbid with ADHD. I see this as a hereditary physical impairment, not an emotional disorder, and not me trying to turn myself into a prozac drone.

@ atavistian: Looking for more information I came across this messageboard thread. It seems to be most of the same information as I've read here, but I thought some of you might appreciate the perspective of someone else successfully experimenting in this way. The fellow who started the thread seems to have been diagnosed with ADHD, and put on Adderal, but didn't feel it was an accurate diagnosis, so I don't suppose I can use his results to indicate the kind of results I might have.

Looking through more of that forum, I see pycnogenol is recommended by many for ADHD, which seems to be considered a nootropic by many (primarily and antioxidant but with cognitive effects). I'd not seen it mentioned here previously.

@ stsparky: I really thought Stratera was an allergy pill until just now. It's fabulous to know that Stratera is not a stimulant. (I'd thought that Ritalin and Adderal were nearly identical.) I guess you didn't suffer the many side effects Stratera is reported to have? Was the result profound? Have you tried any of the other nootropics mentioned previously in this thread, as well?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235651#Comment_235651 2010-05-03T04:58:24-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Verissimus http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3379 So how much does the brain need to be enhanced? I think it's good to realize why people are doing this: is it to be happier with oneself, or is it to please others? Because we all need to be winners ...
For people who are using this, is it going to be a lifelong habit, or is it more a recreational thing?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235800#Comment_235800 2010-05-03T15:41:36-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 stsparky http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2311 Rae? My preference is chocolate and coffee - ritalin has the best track record for me. Things will work different for you regardless. Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=235813#Comment_235813 2010-05-03T16:52:07-07:00 2010-05-03T16:52:35-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 Re: ADHD, purpose of nootropics I'm finding this to be a mixed bag, overall. I've always been attracted to stimulants, but they aren't always *good* for me. I realized this after a couple of ...
I'm finding this to be a mixed bag, overall. I've always been attracted to stimulants, but they aren't always *good* for me. I realized this after a couple of nights of getting a little ahead on one of my prescriptions led to a couple of all-night sessions which turned out after the fact to be far less necessary or effective than I thought in the middle of it. "Speedy" drugs just tended to make me feel bold and energetic, and while I wasn't wasting a lot of time waffling, I found I was often just making bad decisions faster.

When I'm getting the most out of my nootropic stack, I'm overall more consciously alert and able to actively manage things. However, I have found that the stack doesn't do much to increase passive attention or outright decrease forgetfulness. How does this help? Concretely, I'm much more likely to remind myself of a task by actually taking the time, at the moment it comes up, to set an alarm, write it down or otherwise deal with it, instead of just shoving it to the back of my mind to become forgotten. The nootropics themselves don't seem, to me, to actually increase deep retention so much as parallel processing power. I can't really juggle more things in my head or remember them without writing them down, but I am much more willing to take the necessary steps to deal with it. Distractability and focus are still issues, but I'm better able to cope.

I often think of the Thomas Covenant character from Stephen Donaldson's fantasy series - as a leper, he had no natural feeling in his limbs, and was forced to resort to a technique called "visual self examination" to check himself periodically for injury. Nootropics help enable my mental equivalent of this for ADHD, giving me more of an ability survey the state of things without either feeling invincibly speedy or so relaxed that I'm couch-locked. ADHD has been termed (by somebody I can't recall) a disorder of *motivation* more than actual cognitive ability or activity level, and this description feels right to me. Like Powder Milk Biscuits, the supplements help support my willingness to Go Out and Do What Needs To Be Done.

For myself, I consider this to be a lifestyle or regimen similar to diabetes care. I'm sure I'll be taking treatments such as this for my effective lifetime until or unless something better comes along, or at least as long as I'm working in the IT consulting field, where the sheer number and rapid pace of changing information does play to my cognitive strengths as well as weaknesses.

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* Humans can't really multitask like computers, so I use the term advisedly.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=237244#Comment_237244 2010-05-08T20:59:06-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Chris Noble http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3384 Regarding Piracetam, what brand would the users on the board recommend? I'm reasonably convinced of its safety and effectiveness from what I've read, but I want to make sure that I'm shelling out ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=237299#Comment_237299 2010-05-09T08:28:20-07:00 2010-05-09T08:32:20-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 Start with this to try it out: I get free shipping (American, domestic 2-day) on some stuff with Amazon Prime, and now order it in bulk: Make sure you get choline with it as well. I ...
Nooracitam

I get free shipping (American, domestic 2-day) on some stuff with Amazon Prime, and now order it in bulk:

Piracetam

Make sure you get choline with it as well. I started with this:

Choline

In general I find Source Naturals to be a quality provider of the other miscellaneous supplements mentioned such as L-Huperzine or Vinpocetine, as well as vitamins per se.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=239296#Comment_239296 2010-05-18T23:51:51-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 atavistian http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6519 Wanted to share a bit of a side-experiment I'm in the midst of. As I posted earlier, I'm taking both piracetam and choline (the latter in DMEA bitartrate form, which gets converted into choline). I ...
I don't buy this particular theory myself, since I put a bit more stock in the content of dreams, but it's interesting nonetheless. And well, since I'm taking choline already and have some wiggle room in the conventional dose I decided, "Why not fuck around a bit?". So I started taking another 250mg of the choline right before I go to sleep (around 7-7:30 AM). Now, my relationship with dreams is fraught with intensity and intrigue already. I have long, intense and incredibly involved and developed dreams that often sound like story plots or movies when I'm spelling them out. I've also worked with a few different methods of dream manipulation put forward by licensed analysts, therapists, and cranks alike. So I've got a very deep history with dreaming, to say the least.

This past morning represented Day 3 of my little choline side-experiment. And all three times I've had dreams that easily rival the most intense ones I've ever had. Often I have at least a weak recognition that I'm in a dream but there was none of that with these. I was in, and stuck, and intensely goddamn deep with no clue that it wasn't real. Three nights (days, I guess, for you sun-worshippin' folk) in a row, which is rare for me. All the kind of dreams where you wake up and have to lay in bed and gain your bearings slowly, like you've recohered to a different reality than the one you were just in for hours or days or centuries.

Intense enough that I'd liken the dreams to a very, very muted form of how McKenna describes the DMT experience. Maybe.

Don't know how much interest there is here in nootropics and dreaming, but figured I'd share.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=239400#Comment_239400 2010-05-19T13:03:47-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 celan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337 @atavistian Interesting. I've had weird dream experiences when taking other memory-stimulating agents. Also, has anyone here tried GABA before bed? I thought it changed the intensity/quality of my ... Interesting. I've had weird dream experiences when taking other memory-stimulating agents. Also, has anyone here tried GABA before bed? I thought it changed the intensity/quality of my dreaming.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=239436#Comment_239436 2010-05-19T17:28:25-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 I've had some similar experiences, but I've been irregular enough in my mix and dosage that I haven't really tried to track it. I do know that I regularly got such effects from melatonin and wound ...
I might try to keep track of it, though, because 95% of the time I am consciously dreamless. I usually only remember a dream if I'm right in the middle of it, and I seem to only hit good REM at the very tail end of 7-8 hour sleep shift, and I've been getting only 6 lately. When I do have such a dream, it is generally so vivid that I have a difficult time waking fully, and walk around in a fog very similar to a bad hangover for a half hour or more after waking before I am convinced everything is fully real. I tend to find that so disconcerting that I don't tend to encourage it.

I'm going to give it a shot though. I have changed up my stack and am going to be tapering off piracetam, as I'm getting to the bottom of that bulk tub, and am going to switch it out for a month, then change up to one of the better -racetams.

Right now I have simplified things down to:

"Focus Formula" supplement by Windmill Vitamins.
This has more or less everything but the -racetam that was in my previous stack:
- Vitamin C
- Vitamin E
- B complex
- lecithin (metabolizes into choline)
- DMAE
- DHA
- Eleuthero root, ginkgo, kola leaf
- Vinpocetine
- Huperzine-A

The deal above was pretty good, and the quality and dosage seem comparable to what I was getting with all of the above separately.

- Alpha GPC for additional choline
- Zoom energy supplement, which has a ton more of B complex, mate and ginseng
- Same stuff as before for the multivitamin, omega fish oil, and glucosamine]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=239459#Comment_239459 2010-05-19T19:02:12-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 atavistian http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6519 Finagle: as silly as it may sound, one of the most effective ways to remember your dreams is to create a strong intention to do so before you go to sleep. Once you lay down, immediately before you go ...
Oddly enough, I haven't had similar experiences on melatonin in terms of effects on dreaming.

Your regimen sounds like a more extended version of mine, really. Any thoughts on what you're going to replace piracetam with?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=241512#Comment_241512 2010-05-29T20:08:08-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 Nothing as of yet. I've currently just reduced piracetam to a morning dose, while using the Focus Formula for the rest of the day. So far the results are acceptable, but I'm still considering ...
Basically, I'd love to sort out whether there is a purely brain-boosting effect from the -racetams aside from any general stimulant effect, but I like my energy boost too much to give it up for Science.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255116#Comment_255116 2010-08-14T08:17:42-07:00 2010-08-14T08:21:42-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 Back on the Piracetam after a break, and it is working well in combination with this B-complex plus choline from Swanson Health. Amazingly cheap source, and I've been very happy with the product. ... B-complex plus choline from Swanson Health. Amazingly cheap source, and I've been very happy with the product. Highly recommended as a source of choline, multivitamins and the other supplements as part of your stack. I've also been finding NOW Foods to be a good source of cheap supplements as well. A large number of their products are 50% off or 2-for-1 currently on Amazon. The Primaforce bulk piracetam is still half off as well, and free shipping with Prime.

But the Swanson B-stress really is outstanding. A hefty dose of B-complex and C, plus 50 mg. of both Choline and Inositol and 25 of PABA, in a capsule so it hasn't been heated and pressed, well packaged, cheap, and great service.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255118#Comment_255118 2010-08-14T08:30:38-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Rachæl Tyrell http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552 oy! Hey, maybe you lot have some ideas for me. Lyme Disease. Brain swelling. Vision issues. Any advice?
Lyme Disease. Brain swelling. Vision issues. Any advice?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255125#Comment_255125 2010-08-14T09:11:34-07:00 2010-08-14T09:18:37-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 Did you get anything more out of that eye-rolling thread in the piracetam forum? I thought that was promising. There's something in there about hemispheral communication and the corpus callosum. ...
There's something in there about hemispheral communication and the corpus callosum. One theory behind the operation of piracetam is that it enables greater bicameral communication by upping the bandwidth of the corpus callosum, as it were. A few of your issues - left/right distinction, asymmetrical perception - sound like they're up that alley.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255128#Comment_255128 2010-08-14T09:37:56-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Rachæl Tyrell http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552 Well, the piracetam is something I've been meaning to try, and many of the basic supplements I already take (as far as Ginko, Gingo Vitale 3 was always my FAVORITE, and it's very pretty), but I'm a ... Gingo Vitale 3 was always my FAVORITE, and it's very pretty), but I'm a bit strapped at the moment to indulge in the financially non-neccessary.

Right now, I've got this really terrible perpetual headache, and it seems my Lyme Disease is resurfacing. I've ordered three month's supply of antibiotics to hold me over until I can see a Lyme specialist (booked up until October), but I thought there might be something ELSE I could do in the meantime. Lyme is an infection that attacks the brain and makes it swell, and I've already got a bits sticking out formen magnum, so this ends up hurting quite a bit. Is there anything that helps combat inflammation specifically in the brain?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255134#Comment_255134 2010-08-14T10:16:03-07:00 2010-08-14T10:19:35-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 You might try Huperzine A, which is in my stack: Huperzine A, is a naturally occurring sesquiterpene alkaloid compound found in the plant firmoss Huperzia serrata.[1] Huperzine A is an ... Huperzine A, which is in my stack:
Huperzine A, is a naturally occurring sesquiterpene alkaloid compound found in the plant firmoss Huperzia serrata.[1]
Huperzine A is an Acetylcholinesterase inhibitor similar to other compounds donepezil, rivastigmine, and galantamine.
In the US Huperzine A is sold as a dietary supplement for memory support. The botanical has been used in China for centuries for the treatment of swelling, fever and blood disorders. Clinical trials in China has shown it to be effective in the treatment of Alzheimer's disease,[2] and has been shown to enhance memory in healthy young students in one study.[3]

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The link between anti-inflammatory action and brain and cognitive support would seem like a match for you. This is a good reliable source: Swanson Huperzine A. Very cheap. Consult with your doctor, etc.

It is generally regarded as safe and well-tolerated. You will also want a choline supplement to avoid any side-effects due to choline depletion - headache being the primary symptom. The B-complex I mentioned above is a good source; also any generic lecithin or whey protein supplement will break down into choline.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255135#Comment_255135 2010-08-14T10:19:32-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Rachæl Tyrell http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552 EXCELLENT!!!!! Thank you thank you thank you. Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255364#Comment_255364 2010-08-15T15:19:39-07:00 2010-08-15T15:23:45-07:00 Rachæl Tyrell http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552 OK, how's this sound to you? I already take C, B complex, D, E, Biotin, Fish Oil, Saw Palmetto, joint formula (Glucosamine, Chondroiton, etc etc), CoQ10, Metformin, So, to that, I'll add: ...
I already take C, B complex, D, E, Biotin, Fish Oil, Saw Palmetto, joint formula (Glucosamine, Chondroiton, etc etc), CoQ10, Metformin,

So, to that, I'll add:

Piracetam powder
200mg Huperzine A
Cats Claw
Wormwood
Olive Leaf
1,200 mg Lecithin

That Swanson site is GREAT!

(I'm putting myself in debt with this, but I'm sort of afraid of what Lyme Disease can do to damage my already wonky brain)

Is there a certain type of Magnesium that is better?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255379#Comment_255379 2010-08-15T16:48:35-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 celan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337 @Rachel Are you taking the wormwood for the Lyme Disease? Be careful with that. I think you are not supposed to take it for more than a few weeks at a time: Are there any side effects or ... Are you taking the wormwood for the Lyme Disease? Be careful with that. I think you are not supposed to take it for more than a few weeks at a time:
Are there any side effects or precautions?
* Long-term intake (over four weeks) of the thujone-containing oil or alcoholic beverages made with the oil (absinthe) is not recommended, as it is addictive and may cause seizures, brain damage, and even death. Long-term use of wormwood tea or tincture can cause nausea, vomiting, insomnia, restlessness, vertigo, tremors, and seizures.
* Short-term use (two to four weeks) of the wormwood tea or tincture has not been reported to cause significant side effects. Nevertheless, consult with a healthcare professional knowledgeable in herbal medicine before taking wormwood.
* Wormwood is not recommended during pregnancy and nursing.
At the time of writing, there were no well-known drug interactions with wormwood.

It is definitely psychoactive...when I took it gave me very vivid, crazy dreams.

Magnesium citrate is considered by some to be the most bio-available form. But an internist I knew said that magnesium oxalate and aspartate are also good.
My unsolicited opinion is that Swanson is good if your only concern is price rather than quality. I like www.needs.com but I don't use it anymore since I have access to Emerson Ecologics with my professional license.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255384#Comment_255384 2010-08-15T17:31:31-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Rachæl Tyrell http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552 Yeah, the wormwood was recommended from a few Lyme sites, like this one. How different is the quality, and how relevant if I'm broke, but sickly? I mean, how ineffective are supplements of lesser ... this one. How different is the quality, and how relevant if I'm broke, but sickly? I mean, how ineffective are supplements of lesser quality, in your opinion?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255385#Comment_255385 2010-08-15T17:42:24-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 Taking the cat's claw and olive leaf as well for the antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory effects? I'm going to be trying something similar as well to try and get what I suspect is a subcritical ... Cosackie virus that I've had in me since childhood, like chicken pox. There's a lot of discussion I was browsing through about such viral colonization leading to expressions of or symptoms similar to ADHD, fibromyalgia, CFS and the like.

The rest of it looks about right to my eye as an untrained citizen scientist. If you get headachey at all, consider adding more of a choline supplement if the lecithin isn't cutting it on its own. As always, consult your doctor, etc.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255387#Comment_255387 2010-08-15T18:09:20-07:00 2010-08-15T18:12:43-07:00 celan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337 I mean, how ineffective are supplements of lesser quality, in your opinion? This is a highly controversial subject to be sure...and I don't necessarily have a definitive answer for you. Generally ... I mean, how ineffective are supplements of lesser quality, in your opinion?
This is a highly controversial subject to be sure...and I don't necessarily have a definitive answer for you. Generally you want to avoid fillers and excipients. Consider magnesium stearate for example. It is frequently a way to repackage rendered fat and make money off of what would otherwise be a waste product of animal butchering. You don't want that in your supplements if at all possible. As well, like with the magnesium above, there are some forms of vitamins that are more bio-available. Also, it is good to remember that when you take just about anything orally you can end up destroying 75% or more due to the inherent hostility of the digestive process. That's why, for the very ill, substances are administered parenterally. Some vitamins also have side-effects when administered orally...like Vitamin C. You have to limit your intake because high oral doses (usu. above 4g per day) cause diarrhea whereas with intravenous Vitamin C you can comfortably take 20 times the largest oral dose.

There's a substance called piperine, a pepper extract (trademark Bioperine) that will increase the cellular uptake of some nutrients. That can be a way of getting more for your money. Anyway, I prefer pharmaceutical grade/practitioner only products that have a reputable lab and conscientious scientists & physicians as part of their organization (I like Douglas Labs and Integrative Therapeutics for this reason).

My graduate Clinical Nutrition teacher (Betty Wedman-St. Louis) did research on multivitamins on patients who had colostomies, because the colostomy allowed for the easy examination of the contents of the intestines...she found that some well-known brands (usually made with lots of fillers and waxes and such) passed through relatively un-absorbed....

There are those who think that supplementation makes for "expensive urine"...but there was also a biochemist at UC Berkeley (the name escapes me at the moment) who claimed that rates of disease would be cut in half if everyone just took a multivitamin.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255423#Comment_255423 2010-08-15T22:13:40-07:00 2010-08-15T22:24:13-07:00 Rachæl Tyrell http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552 Oh, this will probably peg me as a total luddite in the ways of nootropics, but... Happy Campers? I long used to tweak myself with herbals in my "mangler days", as my best friend and ... Happy Campers? I long used to tweak myself with herbals in my "mangler days", as my best friend and fellow party girl had a holistic doctor as a stepfather and worked at a health food store (she stole a HUGE jar of shark cartilage to give me when I found out my gramma had cancer, which I thought was very sweet). Both of us were raised with herbals, and how to use them to our benefit. We'd a kit that we'd dole out to people at the end of a rough night.

"Ok, so you've been up all night drinking and doing coke, but you have to work in 3 hours? Take some Phen-fen (then legal) to stay up, some ginko to stay alert, some arnica to keep from hurting, some milk thistle to soften the hangover, etc etc etc"

I think I was healthier back when I was trashed all the time. At least I over compensated.

I feel that Happy Campers are a good additive to any sort of brain-enhancement, lest your thoughts go faster and faster in very bad ways. (The aforementioned best friend came home one day to find me staring out the window, listless, and crying. "You took 2 GINKO VITALE 3s and NO HAPPY CAMPERS?!? What were you THINKING!?! Smoke this weed right now!") I'd tried each of Happy Camper's individual components alone, or in combination, and never did I find the combination that this brand seems to have perfectly blended.

Is there anything you've found good luck with regarding boosting the brain MOOD in a favorable direction?

Regarding Swanson, I've found THIS review, which is encouranging. Clearly, physician-grade supplements would be ideal, but .... well.... money.

I think I'll pass on the Wormwood (it's the most expensive) and instead grab some Wild Yam (I've got hormone issues), milk thistle (since I'm polluted with so many pain killers), and acidopholus (to replenish what I'll be killing off with so much antibiotics)

Christ, that Cosakle sounds awful! Yeah, the Cat's Claw & Olive Leaf as anti-inflammatory. Let me know what else you use to beat down your virus. Being that the bulk of my health issues remain a mystery condition, I might just try a similar path.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255430#Comment_255430 2010-08-15T23:53:14-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 celan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337 Unfortunately, research has shown that intelligence enhancement correlates with an increase in negative mood (perhaps someone already linked to that research upthread). "You took 2 GINKO VITALE ...
"You took 2 GINKO VITALE 3s and NO HAPPY CAMPERS?!? What were you THINKING!?! Smoke this weed right now!")

This brings up the point of individual variation...smoking weed has a generally castrophic effect on my mood 9 times out of ten. So you always have to evaluate your own response to a given substance, as most contributors to this thread already know.

If you've got "hormone issues" you might want to read up on maca as well...I realize price is an issue (as it is for pretty much everyone) but look at the info with this product.

[I feel like I should mention that I'm not a doctor and I don't have any financial interest in any of the things I've mentioned...it's just a combo of my personal & professional opinion. Grain of salt, etc.]]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255578#Comment_255578 2010-08-16T18:02:25-07:00 2010-08-16T18:03:55-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 I took a glance at the Happy Campers, and they seem to have Kava Kava as a significant component. That's one of the substances I have flagged to personally avoid, as there seem to be credible ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255584#Comment_255584 2010-08-16T18:47:27-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Rachæl Tyrell http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552 You don't think that a healthy daily dose of milk thistle would compensate for any herbal you take that might effect the liver? I'd a friend who technically ODed on speed and heroin and went into ...
I'm not trying to talk you into Kavakava or anything... but with my choosing antibiotics, I figured that long term dosing of metronidazole would be ok as long as I drank lots of water and took milk thistle.

Oh, and I think it goes without saying, or... it has been said previously... that everything we discuss here is only opinion from experimenters in self tweakery, and none of us are professionals, nor should our advice be taken as such.

That said, I did take a look at Maca, and added it to my order. Thank you for that.

On a slightly more pharmaceutical note....

My psychologist recommends I see a psychiatrist. I've been desiring ADHD medication which works GREAT for my brain, but not so good with the terrible sleep schedule and cramping spasming muscles and shakiness. GIven my long history of MS like symptoms, nocturnalism, and depression, and my avoidance of SSRIs... here's hoping for some Modafinil. I was re-reading up-thread, and doing some new research on topic. Would anyone like to explain what this means?

Modafinil-induced alertness is partially antagonised by the endogenous cannabinoid neurotransmitter anandamide. Modafinil has central alpha 1-adrenergic agonist effects i.e. it directly stimulates the receptors. Modafinil inhibits the reuptake of noradrenaline by the noradrenergic terminals on sleep-promoting neurons of ventrolateral preoptic nucleus (VLPO). More significant, perhaps, is its ability to increase excitatory glutamatergic transmission. This reduces local GABAergic transmission, thereby diminishing GABA(A) receptor signalling on the mesolimbic dopamine terminals.


I ask because of the phrase "endogenous cannabinoid neurotransmitter anandamide". Certain breeds of marijuana in low doses act as a significant stimulant to me, I think more clearly, can navigate my way through the cloud of thought, and as I'd mentioned a few pages back, it even reduces the degree of eye convergence. Does the mentioning of "cannabinoid" imply that Modafinil has similar properties, or uses the same pathways/receptors? I'd love if I could get the positive effects of hyper focus and being able to break out of the web of thought, without the "stoned" part.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=255586#Comment_255586 2010-08-16T19:00:26-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 celan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337 Unfortunately, I don't know that there is any way to predict your reaction to modafinil. I personally did not like it. It is supposedly a more "targeted" stimulant compared to the ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=256293#Comment_256293 2010-08-20T15:28:37-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Rachæl Tyrell http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552 GUH! SPLUH! GAK! Ok, so nobody warned me about how terrible the Piracetem tastes! Ugh! I put some in my daily blender shake and the whole thing was infected, no matter how much exra sweetener ...
Ok, so nobody warned me about how terrible the Piracetem tastes! Ugh! I put some in my daily blender shake and the whole thing was infected, no matter how much exra sweetener or berries or anything I tried to add. It's like... chewing on uncoated asprin! BLEEAAAH!

So, how do you get this stuff DOWN?]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=256302#Comment_256302 2010-08-20T16:18:38-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 JiveKitty http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7925 I believe some people get capping kits and make capsules. It's about the only way I've heard to completely kill the taste. Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=256307#Comment_256307 2010-08-20T16:58:30-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 celan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337 I've never taken it as a powder...only as a caplet or a capsule. Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=256309#Comment_256309 2010-08-20T17:41:24-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 You can do that, or generally I will put my dose in the bottom of a small glass of very sweet juice, like pomegranate, or else in a virgin bloody mary, and treat it like one would an unpleasant ... Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=257558#Comment_257558 2010-08-28T05:55:22-07:00 2010-08-28T05:55:37-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 Neurostim-C just became available on Amazon again, on sale for $35. It is another all-in-one blend of a bunch of handy stuff I've written about: Maximize energy and mental focus. Neurostim + C ... Neurostim-C just became available on Amazon again, on sale for $35. It is another all-in-one blend of a bunch of handy stuff I've written about:

Maximize energy and mental focus. Neurostim + C is scientifically formulated to give you the highest levels of energy, endurance and mental focus while helping you lose fat. Neurostim + C will help propel you through the most grueling workouts and provide you with optimal energy levels and mental focus throughout the day. Neurostim + C utilizes these new and exciting compounds. 4 g TyroLean - specific amounts of ALCAR, Choline and Tyrosine. Accelerates loss of bodyfat; supports mental focus; increases endurance; improves exercise capacity; supports adrenal health. 211 mg Brain Drive - proprietary blend of DMAE, Vinpocetine and Huperzine A. Maximizes energy levels; supports alertness and concentration; optimizes memory. 125 mg of Caffeine. Supports fat burning during exercise; works in synergy and amplifies effects of other components in Neurostim + C.

I've just reupped my supply of Focus Formula, though because it is also on sale at a much deeper discount and has most of the same active ingredients.

But if one were looking to experiment with cognitive supplements without taking a buttload of pills, I'd definitely consider trying out the Neurostim-C to see how it worked for you. It has the choline blend built in to offset the effects of the vincpocetine and huperzine, but doesn't contain any B-complex. One definite hazard to the all-in-one supplements is that they are often just heavy on the B-complex, which can lead to unpleasant flushes and sweating if you also then happen to drink a Red Bull or take a multi on top of it.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=257848#Comment_257848 2010-08-29T20:15:51-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 Joeltox http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=9286 Someone asked a while back about Provigil - I was taking it a while back and found that it helped me to focus and kept the edge on my thoughts, if you will, on a long day tracking a lot of projects. ...
Never had trouble falling asleep with it, and limited myself to 800 mg/day no more than two doses in a 24 hour period. Never took it more than 3 day consecutively, as physically the lack of sleep caught up with me rather quickly. mentally I was good, I was just run down and would get sick a lot easier.

YMMV - hell it might kill you - please don't do anything stupid and die, OK? - Check with your doctor first etc etc etc.]]> Nootropics and othe brain boosters... http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=1740&Focus=257853#Comment_257853 2010-08-29T20:50:57-07:00 2013-05-19T23:01:23-07:00 James Puckett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911 Ok, so nobody warned me about how terrible the Piracetem tastes… Mix piracetam with shots of orange juice. I stir it into the OJ and then let it dissolve for a few minutes and it kills most of ... Ok, so nobody warned me about how terrible the Piracetem tastes…

Mix piracetam with shots of orange juice. I stir it into the OJ and then let it dissolve for a few minutes and it kills most of the taste.]]>