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    After reading about Mr. Steven's experience with Piracetam, I was wondering who else here might have experience with this and other memory/brain enhancing supplements, as I have none beyond vitamins and caffeine.(Yes, I know caffeine is debatable, but I'll be damned if I'm not more creative and productive under it's influence.)
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    If you're going to try piracetam (or aniracetam) make sure to take a choline supplement with it. Piracetam burns choline at a high rate, so you'll need to supplement it, or you risk severe headaches.
    • CommentAuthorrstevens
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
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    I take at least 1000mg of Choline every day, have for years. Usually with Inositol. It's good juice.
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      CommentAuthorlizbt
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
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    How much are you guys shelling out in supplements a month?
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    You can get things like piracetam in bulk - 750g in powdered form, for less than $25. That will last you months. Same thing for just about anything else, much of it much cheaper.
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    For anyone interested, this place is a pretty good source of bulk nootropics.
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    Sweet; Thanks for the info...
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      CommentAuthorm1k3y
    • CommentTimeApr 10th 2008
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    so how noticeable is the difference after taking piracetam?
    i'm definitely keen to try it out.

    i'm also contemplating a rough experiment to measure it's effects.
    something like taking an IQ test before and after.
    (also I've never had an IQ test, so it's a good excuse)
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      CommentAuthorm1k3y
    • CommentTimeApr 10th 2008
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    My experience with piracetam:

    I took piracetam for about a year, every day, 3000 mg/day (1000 mg at breakfast, lunch, dinner each), plus 1000 mg of choline in the morning, plus another B-complex cap.

    I noticed a difference right away: I didn't get any "smarter," really, but the mental activity picked up a lot. I was able to think very quickly and clearly though things. I noticed that my creativity was boosted and I came up with many more novel approaches to problems as they came up. Not a stimulant effect, but a very stong "in the zone" level of cognitive functioning - if that makes sense.

    But it didn't stay like that. The effects would come and go. I don't know if it was the dose I was taking (from what I read, 3 g a day is an average dose), bu some days it felt like nothing, others it was very noticable. It wasn't predictable - 3 or 4 days (or more, sometimes a couple weeks) of great effect, then a day or two or more of back to normal. I experimented with diet, caffeine intake, etc. to try to figure it out, but I wasn't able to get why the piracetam effects were so inconsistent.

    I quit taking it when I did a 6-week detox, and never went back on it. I never noticed any negative side effect while on or off it. I've thought about starting to take it again, but haven't gotten around to it, probably because my experience with it just wsn't reliable enough.
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    There was an article in national geographic on aging some months back which indicated some studies were showing that over use of 'brain boosters' tended to 'dry out' the brain. I'm not quite sure why, or how, or the affects of having a 'dried out' brain, but it did put me off taking stuff for a bit.
    ~I'll hunt up the article and a popper quote later when cleaning my room.
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    @shawnclark

    Thanks for the detailed experience!
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    Matt can clarify on what kind he introduced me to (sorry, I don't have it in front of me), but the most noticable differences for me had to do with processing abilities. The easiest to explain is that I was able to distinguish what individuals in a group were saying. I deal with something called Auditory Processing Disorder, which ties into my dyslexia. Part of this is that I've never been able to discern individuals in group conversation - it's like my brain is given too many variables and just gives up. So not having that happen was pretty cool.

    Which reminds me, I need to start back up again. Where did I put all those bottles..?
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    My memory and concentration has been fuzzy for years and a constant annoynace. Forgetting the most obvious of words during a conversation, especially at work, makes me feel stupid and slow. I never thought of nootropics until it was mentioned in here... first order is on it's way...
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      CommentAuthorroque
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008
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    I take DMAE. it seems to help my concentration and memory, and helps me misspeak less often. I take 130 mg a day. I'd take larger doses, but I have to conserve my supply because it's not available in Japan.

    anybody ever tried Arcalion? I've gotten curious about it.
    • CommentAuthorMickeyKnox
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008
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    I've taken DMAE on and off for years. When I take it, I notice almost immediately that I can remember multiple things better and for longer periods (for example, a concert set list or quotes from a book or movie).
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      CommentAuthorroque
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2008
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    *nod* yeah, that's a big part of it. I used to be able to remember a phone number or other list after one listening. the DMAE has helped me to get some of that ability back, which is useful. I also hate having to write down grocery lists, and I don't have to s'much, anymore.
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      CommentAuthorGreg SBB!
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2008
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    Are these restricted in the UK? From what I could tell most are prescription only over here, although those that aren't prescription only in the USA seem to be freely importable.
  12.  (1740.20)
    Willow:
    I set you up with 800mg Piracetam and 250mg Choline (as Choline Bitartrate); 3/1 each, respectively. This was my usual daily routine.

    Currently experimenting with larger doses; some sites have suggested both "attack doses" of up to 7200mg for beginners(1) and regular doses of the same amount(2).

    (1) I'm not sure what the point of an "attack dose" would be (presumably, it's to "break you in"; I've never had the need for one, and I'm still researching if there's any real evidence that such helps, but your mileage may vary). At worst, it seems, you may be out some extra brain pills; I haven't yet read any accounts of it doing any harm.

    (2) I've tried 8000mg Piracetam and 500mg Choline (as Choline Bitartrate) for the past week or so, with the following results:

    a) Man, you can burn through money on brain pills quickly
    b) Wow, do I feel with-it in the morning

    Didn't change any other variables in my daily routine, of course. (SCIENCE!) And it's definitely an informal study. But uberdoses seem to have a considerable effect, as compared to what might be theorized as a preservative (in the good sense) and / or general brain health maintenance effect at lower doses. Then again, as Rootfireember suggests, I may be "dried out" from years of use...I've yet to find that article, and would love to read up on it should someone find it.

    Good things to keep in mind reading the above: I'm 26, in good physical and mental shape, and have no history of neurological disorder. Piracetam appears to be reported as having a favorable effect on Alzheimer's, Down syndrome, dementia, and dyslexia; regarding these, I'm not qualified to report.

    Postscript: Received some Aniracetam (purported to be around four to eight times more potent than Piracetam, not to mention fat-soluble, so effects should last longer) yesterday; did the math (obviously) and found out if this were accurate that this would be a more economical solution. Plan to test this theory over the next week or so. Results as they arrive!