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      CommentAuthorZ
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     (1954.21)
    <blockquote>I also don't think that it would really serve to convince fathers of the errors of their ways at all, even if it was a public broadcast.</blockquote> I agree. It's not much different from the billboards some states have adopted.

    - Z
    • CommentAuthorjayverni
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     (1954.22)
    Woah, slow down there friend. A parent paying child support does not equate owning responsibility.


    I agree, and didn't mean to imply that at all. I do apologize if I misrepresented my feelings. I have four children, and strive to give them whatever they need. I would continue to do so no matter whose house they lived in, if I happened to be separated. I guess my point was more of the fact that being on TV is no answer to this in any way. There's no way I can understand how hard it must be. Luckily I had a fairly stable home life, and I'm trying to do the same for my own children. I shouldn't have oversimplified it. I in no way meant any disrespect to anyone who had to go through anything like that.
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      CommentAuthorZ
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     (1954.23)
    <blockquote>Woah, slow down there friend. A parent paying child support does not equate owning responsibility.</blockquote> <blockquote><ol>I agree, and didn't mean to imply that at all. I do apologize if I misrepresented my feelings.</ol></blockquote>
    Not at all, my mistake. The issue I've encountered is that people often see child support as a fine, a tax, or some sort of financial punishment. While there are cases where certainly unfair things have happened in regards to determining the amount and/or the beneficiary, child support is meant to lend support to a child-- if it was meant to be a bad parenting fine, they'd call it a Bad Parenting Fine or an Unnecessary-Breeding Tax. Obviously you have a clear understanding of that.
    <blockquote>I guess my point was more of the fact that being on TV is no answer to this in any way.</blockquote>
    I think you're right.

    - Z
  1.  (1954.24)
    people often see child support as a fine, a tax, or some sort of financial punishment.


    True. And this doesn't help the kid at all; and can lead to the kid being looked at by the non-present parent as a burden, a curse, or worse.
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      CommentAuthorZ
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     (1954.25)
    <blockquote>can lead to the kid being looked at by the non-present parent as a burden</blockquote>
    I don't mean to debate this in a manner that would be perceived as splitting hairs, lovely, but that kid was probably perceived as a burden and unwanted prior to a pricetag being attached. I know I was.

    It's a terrible and cruel thing to be rejected by a parent, but money isn't a bone deep reason to reject offspring. Arguably (for the sake of not drifting the thread, I'll say arguably) nurture and procreation are hardwired imperatives. A few slips of paper are not going to be an impenetrable wall between parent and child.

    In fact, maybe that's what this show is good for, in a strictly objective sense: breaking down the actual reasons these parents choose to do what they're doing to their 'families' and their offspring. It's too easy to blame money.

    - Z
    • CommentAuthorxxxxxxxxxxx
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008 edited
     (1954.26)
    At the same time they should perhaps go after the county and state agencies that also take huge portions of Child Support as "Maintenance fees?"

    I don't mind paying and would probably pay more, but anything that goes through the system over what I am supposed to pay just gets eaten up in fees for "services."

    Of course the woman who administrated the Friend of the court stuff who was driving a $70,000 car in a county that had a median income of 24k per year wouldn't know anything about excessive fees.

    On the other hand, this show might actually show that there are guys out there doing everything they can to keep up and still not making it due to unreasonable rates set by the courts. (ex. In Michigan if you take a pay cut or lose your job and can only find something that pays less, you are obligated to pay the previous rate and usually do not get to dispute the rate for 2 years. )
  2.  (1954.27)
    We may as well cut to the chase and bring back the stocks and pillories.
  3.  (1954.28)
    Stranger Dan, reality television IS the stocks and pillories!
  4.  (1954.29)
    Good God. I am glad this is being sunk. People are actually debating child support?

    God the internet is mad.