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    • CommentAuthorScottS
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     (1956.1)
    LOUVAIN-LA-NEUVE, Belgium - Microsoft Corp. chief executive Steve Ballmer on Thursday offered a glimmer of hope to fans of the company's XP operating system, saying customer demand may see the company reconsider a decision to stop selling XP in June. (Msnbc.com is a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC Universal.)

    But Ballmer was adamant that "most people who buy PCs today buy them with Vista."

    "That's the statistical truth," he told reporters at a press conference at Louvain-La-Neuve university.


    and that wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the fact that the vast majority of new PCs come pre-bundled with Vista, right?
    • CommentAuthorWinther
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     (1956.2)
    Isn't 'statistical truth' an oxymoron?
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      CommentAuthorMegaGoosey
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     (1956.3)
    Yeah, you don't really have much of a choice. If you buy a computer, you buy Vista. There are very few models around with XP still, and most have to be special ordered and are higher in price than their Vista counterparts.
  1.  (1956.4)
    But Ballmer was adamant that "most people who buy PCs today buy them with Vista."

    "That's the statistical truth," he told reporters at a press conference at Louvain-La-Neuve university.


    I think he forgot to mention the "statistical truth" about people who buy PCs with Vista and convert to XP a week later.

    I'm being persistent with my Vista (which was already installed in my Vaio notebook when I bought it), but XP seems more attractive every day.
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      CommentAuthorZ
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     (1956.5)
    I have to use both on a daily basis, both Vista and XP.

    XP is less of a nuisance. The new features aren't worth it on Vista. For one thing, the screensaver program consistantly freezes up and has to be ended in Task Manager.
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      CommentAuthorCyman
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     (1956.6)
    They are still putting XP out though, and they've said they'll continue putting out software that is compatible with XP until 2013.
  2.  (1956.7)
    I think I'll state the obvious and say that Vista is utter, utter shit.

    We have it on the PCs at work and coming from my Mac at home to this fuckery is like being ball-kicked.

    I'm not an Apple whore, XP worked just fine, but I think Microsoft actually hates human beings for putting out something this broken.
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      CommentAuthorEgon
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     (1956.8)
    I just started this new job and we use Vista here. It's taking me forever to find the basic options to do my job!!
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      CommentAuthortedcroland
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     (1956.9)
    @Z

    Are you sure you would like to criticize Vista?

    You have selected to criticize Vista, are you sure?

    You are about to criticize Vista. Continue action? Click Yes/No.
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      CommentAuthorMegaGoosey
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     (1956.10)
    Only an administrator can criticize Vista. Are you an administrator?

    Critical error. crticizevista.exe will now close.
  3.  (1956.11)
    "criticizevista.exe will now close" has stopped working. "criticizevista.exe will now close" will now close.

    ERROR: You don't have enough memory on your HD to perform this operation.
  4.  (1956.12)
    Spot on there Ted! Heh.

    The desktop I bought last year came with Vista - lasted about 3 months before switching back to XP. Bloody awful, hair tearing (if I had any) nonsense of an operating system. At least companies like Dell offer XP for £50 extra. Not much to pay for the reduced stress.
  5.  (1956.13)
    My young brothers Dell notebook came with Vista and they didn't want to switch back to XP. The e-mail they send us after we asked for the downgrade was something like: "We don't care. Have a nice day."

    It's running Ubuntu now and my brohter is as happy as he can be.
  6.  (1956.14)
    On what I'm sure is a completely unrelated note Apple profits, driven by computer sales not ipods, are up 36%.



    Maybe Vista is just an elaborate Apple Marketing strategy?

    iVista?
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      CommentAuthorroque
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     (1956.15)
    lolling at the Vista-criticizing program stuff.

    I remember people saying the same thing about Windows 95. they'd downgrade to 3.1. I haven't tried Vista yet, but now I'm curious whether it's better or worse than 95 was.
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      CommentAuthorAdam
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2008
     (1956.16)
    I think 95 was the first OS I have memory of using, and even through the hazy mists of time I remember it being pretty awful. 2000NT was a dog's breakfast too. XP was a little wobbly on its feet at first, but so far its the only Windows OS that I won't audibly groan at having to use. I just wish that Microsoft wouldn't put on their plastic smiles and insist that Vista is all sunshine and smiling puppies and doesn't need further work. LISTEN TO US.
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      CommentAuthorhmobius
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2008
     (1956.17)
    It's god's own truth that XP users will carry on using XP probably until MS bring out Windows 7, especially with service pack 3 available to download next week, but I for one am going to persist with Vista. It ain't a bed of roses but (and it's a large but) windows xp sucked in comparison to win2000 for at least two years until sp2 came out and there are still issues with it (invisible ones admittedly) that won't ever be fixed. Mostly because they can't be fixed without rewriting a la Windows 7.

    Myself, I've just turned off all the UI back to windows classic, am running as a standard user and from day to day, it works. Period. No difference from XP. OK, the UAC pops up from time to time when I want to install something or to check the event logs but I could turn it off if I wanted to. In return for that little pain, and relearning what the control panels are called, I get a two-way firewall that's actually quite good, system restore and backup that work, an audio subsystem that is now worth a damn, wireless setup that doesn't appear to be based on soem form of wicca and a fairly secure (yes really) system overall.

    Dell do offer WinXP with all their laptops if you ask them btw. Some of the guys in the office just got new laptops with XP pre-installed. Of course, they immediately wiped the HD and reinstalled it again their way, but that's what you do after seven years of working with a system. But don't you just keep your copy of XP from your previous box and use that if you want?

    I'm not the hugest fan of Vista, but after six months my only two big niggles now are with explorer changing the view on my folders because I shoved a pic or mp3 file in there (I can reset that apparently with some registry fix but can't be arsed) and Visual Studio needing to be run as an administrator to do a few things. The rest I can live with \ don't notice.
  7.  (1956.18)
    All this Vista case remember me the Windows ME (there are one of this shit specimen at my fiance old computer, now dead). Dear, what a horrible SO... The victims of a bad purchase (ie. a computer with this Windows ME thing) would running as fas t as they can, at 1990s, to exchange ME to Windows 98.
  8.  (1956.19)
    Oh! Anecdote time!

    My brother runs Vista. I do the upkeep on his computer. He loves the way Vista looks, but because he doesn't deal with the problems he doesn't want me to change it out. When glitches kept emerging, he constantly asked if it wasn't some website or another that I had visited. I finally said, "no, Vista is full of bugs." To which he said, "viruses are bugs, aren't they?"

    God love him. He's brilliant, but it certainly reminds me that we all have our specialties.
  9.  (1956.20)
    Well, a simple question should be asked of Microsoft...

    Why in the Hell should I buy a completely new OS that's going to be buggy for quite awhile, give me marginal benefits at best and developers themselves are balking at writing/rewriting their software in just sheer hope it runs smoothly?