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  1.  (1979.21)
    So I read Phonogram, bought Generation Terrorists, put it on an actual walkman the way God intended...

    And I couldn't understand a word the singer was saying. Motorcycle Emptiness just sounded like some guy belting out random vowel sounds, backed by some admittedly epic guitar.

    The album's since grown on me, but that first listen kinda killed whatever chance the band had of winning my heart and mind, y'know? Sorry.
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      CommentAuthormuse hick
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2008
     (1979.22)
    @ wellsy
    listen to them nowadays and tell me that they seriously haven't blanded out and conformed.

    i still listen to their earlier stuff, i listen to the clash, i listen to rage against the machine and other bands that are political so it's not that i am looking to avoid politics -- it is just that the manics don't really provide it anymore.
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      CommentAuthorphil.lunt
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2008
     (1979.23)
    @ wellsy - what muse hick said..... they're a typical example of a band that conforms! One thing that Richey certainly did provide was their angst drive...

    looking back, though - if i'd listened to certain bands back in the early 90's that I got into much later (like the Pixies, for example) then I really don't think the Manics would've had as much of an influence on me... all the Manics did was make me more blinkered, to be honest.....
  2.  (1979.24)
    ok.
    seems a lot of brits are hating on MSP.that's fine and understandable. a few of the brit musicians i know have cited enjoying bands from the us that i think are abject garbage.

    as far as the manics go,they never had any play in the states at all...at least not where i lived.

    i listened to "Holy Bible" for the first time about 8 years ago and i thought it was a fantastic album. I'm not going to tear apart at the seams about them or anything, but i think it's certainly a terrific album that deserved more media attention. i know you brits probably had this shit crammed down your curry-holes for way too long, but as an outsider looking in, i truly think it's worthwhile. i don't listen to it all the time, nor did i when i first heard it but..jeez. good stuff. (i'm not a fan of any of their other albums,btw)

    seriously though..whoever said drive by truckers is the best band ever has serious fucking problems. listen to early bruce springsteen and you'll get the same sort of blue collar redneck shit only with good lyrics...at least he wrote white trash songs that had some sort of substance.

    whoever said they sound like the jam....the jam is one of my fave bands ever. i really don't hear the likeness at all. compare some songs,perhaps?

    i guess what i mean to say is...
    holy bible is pretty awesome and i enjoyed it. everything after and before was just so-so and if you don't like my opinion, i guess you could go listen to your own shitty music and continue arguing over albums the rest of us (except wellsy) got over years ago :D
  3.  (1979.25)
    Maybe your all just to scared to appreciate a political rock band. And your all happy listening to the bands who conform.


    damn Crass and their conformity.
    *shakes fist *
  4.  (1979.26)
    Maybe your all just to scared to appreciate a political rock band. And your all happy listening to the bands who conform.

    That's about the most retarded thing I've read all weekend wellsy. You really know all about me from my opinion on one band?
  5.  (1979.27)
    thread closed ? please ?
  6.  (1979.28)
    thread closed ? please ?

    Agreed.
    • CommentAuthorDracko
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2008
     (1979.29)
    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    wellsy: Are you in fucking high school? You're in fucking high school aren't you?

    You little shit.

    P.S. Rage Against the Machine need a beating too.
    • CommentAuthorMidweeker
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2008
     (1979.30)
    Whilst I appreciate that Wellsy has slightly opened himself up for ridicule here, moreso with his third post that his first (lovely grammar there, sir), I'm not sure that he quite deserves the ire that he's received...
    Can we please all remember that music is entirely subjective, and hey, at least the Manics had something to say, even if they were incredibly ham-fisted about it at times?
    Personally I'll forgive them anything, after getting into a drunken conversation with James Bradfield and Andy Cairns (from Therapy?) at the Reading festival some ten years ago, which turned into one of the most hilarious nights of my life. I would tell more, but I was very, very dunk...
  7.  (1979.31)
    if you tolerate them, then mariah will be next

    *ducks*
    • CommentAuthorDracko
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2008
     (1979.32)
    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    Hey, if everything is subjective, then hello sir i am speaking to you from my underskirt seven-dimensional toaster and anyway that basically gives us equally as much license to berate people for their musical taste as it does for them to get protectionist and elitist about it. That and it's a poor way to determine musical quality. I mean shit, you're contradicting yourself right there by making a value judgement about the band.

    Point is, I love the early Manics, I really do.
    • CommentAuthorwellsy
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2008
     (1979.33)
    Close it if you want but isn't music,forums, hell all culture there to divide and bring out everyones opinion. This isn't the 1st forum I've opened a
    Manics thread on and as usual the responeses have split the memebers. Some people like early stuff, some people like current and some don't like them what so ever.

    To DJ Dead Billy, So The Holy Bible was made in the 90s, so the band have grown up and so have I but thats no reason to stop liking them and thier music as you possibly suggested when you said I should 'Move on.'

    One thing I hate is people who say they love a band buy the first album and buy the end of the week say the same band is shit.Isn't music something worth getting passionate about?
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      CommentAuthorbabymole
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2008
     (1979.34)
    I loved the Manic's because of the track Faster. But by This is My Truth... all the intensity seemed to have evaporated. Everything Must Go played a huge part in my life at the time it came out... It seemed to soundtrack my every action, so I was pretty disappointed by This is My Truth... and to be honest nothing they've done since has really grabbed me, but Your Love Alone... was pretty good.

    Its just another band that was relevant now just plugging away. They obvioulsy enjoy what they do, but I don't think they'll ever top Holy Bible.

    Because of this thread I'm bouncing around my bedroom to Faster (I've already split red wine all over myself...)
    • CommentAuthorwellsy
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2008
     (1979.35)
    Thank you babymole.

    They said thier next album will be a return to Holy Bible style, so I wait with baited breath.
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      CommentAuthorbabymole
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2008
     (1979.36)
    Blimey. I would actually be very interested in hearing that...
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2008
     (1979.37)
    Maybe your all just to scared to appreciate a political rock band. And your all happy listening to the bands who conform.


    I like bands with political views, but I want them to be talented. I only see one of those traits in the Manics, and it's not talented.

    If you really like them, then buy all their CDs, but I have a different taste.
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      CommentAuthorphil.lunt
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2008
     (1979.38)
    @ Midweeker - sounds like we've had similar encounters with JDB and the bearded monster that is Andy Cairns!!

    Personally, I think if they try a faux return to a "Holy Bible Style" then they'll get laughed back to Blackwood! It was "of the fecking moment!" They're now content, well off, middle aged gents - how the heck will that drive the angst of an album like "Holy Bible"?

    But...

    @ Scribe - they are talented... well, JDB and Sean are musically talented. When he gets going James is an amazing guitarist (marred over the past few years by arthritis, though, apparently). Richey was a good lyricist but i'm not too sure about Nicky, nowadays, especially after hearing their latest stuff...
  8.  (1979.39)
    Dracko gets himself shitcanned for that little display.

    That said, "Maybe your all just to scared to appreciate a political rock band. And your all happy listening to the bands who conform" gave me a good laugh.

    Carry on.
  9.  (1979.40)
    wellsy: enjoying Radiohead is conformist?

    Enjoying Fuck Buttons is conformist?

    And I think that's all that needs to be said.