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CommentAuthorwarrenellis
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2008
Out this week. HUGE FUCKING SPOILERS BEYOND THIS POINT.
Thoughts?
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- CommentAuthorreasonableman
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2008
I never thought I would read a Warren Ellis book with Sponge Bob Square Pants in it. -
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CommentAuthorJaredRules
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2008
I never thought I would read a Warren Ellis book with Sponge Bob Square Pants in it.
Haha, yeah. -
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as long as somebody is getting shot in the face somewhere in there, I'm sure he's okay with it...
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Well Ryp did hide some cool stuff in the backgrounds. I spotted Bam Bam and Sponge Bob. Anyone found out anything else?
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I just thought it was cool that ryp gave each of the tactical guns a unique design and held to it all the way through. makes the chaos a little easier to sort through, as long as you can get past the fact that they're all colored black. even seeing so little of the one zoe shot the legs off of, or the one Dominic crushed with the vault door, you still can tell which one it was in each case.
I wonder if the dozen or so about to tangle with horus will live long enough to have bothered embellishing... -
- CommentAuthorJames Cunningham
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2008
As I said in the New Comics thread, I was a bit let down that the talk between Horus and the General (I think he's a general) was interrupted. They were saying interesting things and I wanted to hear more. I like big explosive action, of course, but it seems like some of the underlying ideas of Black Summer could use just a bit more exposition. Still can't wait for issue #7, of course. -
I say god-DAMN!
Ryp can jam like a motherfucker. Every panel sings off the page.
As always superheroes might not be your thing Warren, but you are reaallllly good at it.
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seconded. juanjo is a maniac, especially when you team him up with the excellent mark sweeney. they take the level of visual intensity into a realm of synesthesia. you can almost step into the pages and walk around in them. I feel like busting out some mcluhan theory when I compare this to most comic book art.
I mean, when you see that splash of the huge open space that the guns are all fighting in, you know that when it's from another angle, or cut into a smaller panel, that it's the same roomand everybody is exactly where they're supposed to be in that space... that's just insane.
Ryp can write his own ticket in this business, as far as I can see. -
The opening fight was incredible. The spread there, with all of the gunshots and whatnot, the detail Juanjo puts into every panel is amazing, but this stuff is almost mind breaking. Hyde buys it completely out of nowhere. Damn brutal. Down to the three bitches.
Horus and the general was good stuff. Especially the stand-down order and the bits with Horus finding out what Tom did to all of them. And then Frank Blacksmith drops a bomb (nuke?) on their location, followed by more Tactical Guns. Damn. I can't wait for 7.
Am still wondering what TomNoirx2 is. It seems we know pretty much everyone's powers except Artemis. Is she just armored ? Her double-revolver with attached mini-RPG is amazing, but does she have powers? -
James Cunningham
As I said in the New Comics thread, I was a bit let down that the talk between Horus and the General (I think he's a general) was interrupted. They were saying interesting things and I wanted to hear more. I like big explosive action, of course, but it seems like some of the underlying ideas of Black Summer could use just a bit more exposition. Still can't wait for issue #7, of course.
I don't think we need any more exposition. This comic is about the explodo. Horus trying to change America is almost a McGuffin at this point, and I am fine with that. Superheroes vs corrupt PMCS/warmachine is an awesome thing. A little talking is fine, but Ryp would be wasted on talking heads. -
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CommentAuthorMad_Man_Moon
- CommentTimeMay 1st 2008
Has it shipped to the UK?
Gosh Comics of London usually have it in, but don't seem to have it, and they said it's not even due next week.
Are we under some kind of embargo, or are they just out of the loop?
(sorry if this was discussed, but it's hard to scan and also avoid the spoilers, perhaps I should've spawned a new thread) -
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the whole exchange with the general is easy to lose track of, but the whole thrust is telling horus that tom probably killed himself, and that frank is trying to assasinate the other guns.
then horus wants to know where, and the general says he doesn't know, and that horus should have expected he wouldn't know.
but horus is confused because the main line ( from his perspective ) isn't working, so he can't find the guns.
anyway, here's my call on what's going on:
frank was always working for the CIA or whomever. the seven guns were prototypes for what he was always going to build for the military/intelligence complex anyway. his 'death' was just a way to cut his ties with the test group. that's why he was so squirrely over john horus. He was powerfull, unpredictable and there was no defence for what he had, because he wouldn't show how he made it.
at a certain point, frank realises he can't crack john's technology and has to get out so he can start preparing a defence for when john flips out. in the first issue he says "it's been my job to to watch you and prepare society against you all".
the gist seems to be that john thinks his tech is something equivalent to the atom bomb, and that only he is trustworthy to have it and use it. and he may be right, who knows?
Tom is obviously not dead, I'm adamant about that. but there are several possible motives for what he's been doing. I don't doubt he wants to kill frank. but his intentions towards his other friends are unclear.
you could make the case that he wanted to protect them from getting killed by provoking them into fighting the military. none of them believed him about frank, except maybe zoe. if they surrendered, they probably would've been assasinated.
tom also knows that dominic wants to kill john, and maybe kathy artemis does too, so keeping everyone apart is a way to stop his friends from killing each other as well.
I agree that horus's politcal agenda is almost an afterthought at this point. it's really about moral choices in the context of a superhuman arms race. -
- CommentAuthorRogan Gosh
- CommentTimeMay 1st 2008 edited
Dom was killed. Fuckity! fuck! fuck! fuck!
Dear Mr. Ellis: I want you to know that I've not had such a visceral reaction to a comic scene since seeing the destruction of London in Miracleman. The way in which Dom died tells me that despite all the talk about politics, it's really about who has the bigger dick. I mean shoving the gun into Dom's mouth is all about the big dick and Frank Blacksmith wanting the guns know his dick is bigger and best.
He had to know that sending those young guns out there would get most of them killed. He has to know that sending them against John Horus will get all of them killed. But, he has the better dick and by golly is going to prove it. In the flashback sequence, I think that you've made it clear that Frank really doesn't understand the technology: he didn't realize Tom's hardware was still operational and he never saw the spec's of John Horus' hardware. So what he is doing basically is sending young soldiers to die in the hopes will do what true understanding and clarity of vision could not.
At this point I don't care if Tom is alive, I just want Frank Blacksmith dead.
Fuckity fuck fuck
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That double page spread with Bam Bam and what appeared to be a dancing penguin blew my mind. No one does the sly, minute visual jokes anymore, and those were so perfect.
Unless I got a strange, bastard copy that no one else got.
Love the flashbacks.
Someone please give Warren a lot of money and develop this into a giant video game. -
I loved this issue.
A lesser writer would have simply written the general as a "never stop fighting until you're dead" asshat. and that's what I really like to see in superhero comics, common sense within all the crazy. It's why I love Warren Ellis books (also see: Robert Kirkman and Bendis). -
Warren,this was one of the best issues so far in what has been one of your best approaches to superheroes.
Frantic pace and real hard hitting action.Ellis and Ryp are not to be fucked with. -
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I totally get what you're saying about frank but I think it's more ambiguous than that. He's not a cackling james bond villian, but you're right, he doesn't get the technology, and he thinks that's dangerous to society to have it in the hands of just one man, who's a bit unstable to boot. and on the other side of the argument, you have the guns who represent using technology to change the balance of power in society, because otherwise it's just rule by force.
but I think you're right. like the general said, all they're doing is "throwing live bodies at a problem that can only be solved by bombing the ground flat". and the gist seems to be that the government is too gutless to do that, "you people just don't try anymore, that's why there are people like me" I think, at best the tactical guns up against horus will have some version of laura's gun, and if that was sufficient, frank wouldn't have been worried about john in the first place.
...so horus will win, unless tom decides to stop him. and given the shit that frank has pulled, I'm starting to doubt that he will. -
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CommentAuthorProf Structure
- CommentTimeMay 3rd 2008
No sign of it at Travelling Man - the lack kinda blighted Free Comics Day! -
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FP in Bristol hadn't received any copies and ebay doesn't appear to have any either. Distribution problem or something?