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      CommentAuthorLazarus99
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
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    Dunno if this will go anywhere (or even be permitted to continue) but this is just for comments relating to anything Joss Whedon - Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Firefly, even (God help us) Alien: Resurrection.

    I don't care if you're pro-, anti- or indifferent, I just want your opinions.

    I happen to love most of what he's done, but I am well aware that not everyone does.

    So, kiddies, fire away...
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    i like (or love, in the case of firefly/serenity) most of his stuff ( dear god, not buffy though) but what the hell happened on RUNAWAYS?
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      CommentAuthorJay Kay
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
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    I LOVE the Firefly/Serenity stuff, was kinda meh on Buffy and dug Astonishing, but yeah, Runaways SUCKED.
    • CommentAuthorMathias B
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
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    You know, I was never that interested - I actually find Buffy rather unbearable - but all was forgiven when I read his X-Men stuff, which I really loved. Upon reading that, I checked out Serenity, and that was pretty neat too. So I'm not a hardcore fan by any means, but it's obvious he's skilled at what he's doing.
    I have to say though, 9 times out of 10, "snappy" (a lá Buffy or Gilmore Girls) TV dialogue comes across as pretty artificial to me.
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    I'm a huge Firefly/Serenity fan. I wasn't big into Buffy or Angel, but I did love the episode with John Ritter as the crazy android stepfather.


    And I... um... liked Alien: Resurrection. Not the best movie in the world, but I dug it.
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      CommentAuthorJon Wake
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
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    Have you guys heard about The Dollhouse?

    I'm a big Whedon fan. I was obsessed about Buffy, Angel, and Firefly, though I'll admit it hasn't held up perfectly with age, but at the time it was (and to some extent still is) unique. He's one of the pulp writers these days that has a real voice (along with guys like Bendis and the Ubiquitous Mr. Ellis) that comes through and is immediately apparent when he's not involved in a project. He's informed my understanding of characterization greatly, and even got me to read Dickens again with renewed appreciation.

    His comic run on Astonishing is entertaining, but I can't be bothered to give a shit about the X-Men in nearly any form. Buffy S8 is again, entertaining bordering on excellent, but Whedon is at his best on TV, possibly because he develops such good relationships with actors and it shows through.
    • CommentAuthorepalicki
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
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    Love pretty much anything the man has done. I've not read Runaways, and I don't blame him for Alien: Resurrection. He rewrote the ending 4 times, and the one they used wasn't his.
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      CommentAuthoragentarsenic
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008 edited
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    EDIT : I did read Astonishing X-Men! I remember! It was full of win and the only X book I had read in years. Do Want More comic-Whedon.

    Although I still don't like his shows, the fans I know in my personal life (mostly women) are obsessive about them to a Suburban-Mom-Soap-Opera level.
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    For me, the Whedonverse needs to be enjoyed in a community environment of some kind, either sitting down and watching the DVDs as a group or playing one of the RPGs with friends. That's what made it far more enjoyable for me, anyway, and my friends seem to agree. I couldn't tolerate much of it at all before I enjoyed it in good company, and now I proudly own all the seasons of Angel, and I am looking forward to The Dollhouse.

    This is just my opinion, but since the work doesn't take itself seriously, you really can't try to, either. That's how I got over the hump with the previously mentioned Gilmore Girls. I tried to take it in as a very serious drama about a girl and her mom when my girlfriend sat me down and made me watch it, and I hated it. The next time around, I didn't take it as seriously (because the show could barely do so itself) and it all clicked into place.

    Angel clicked in a similar fashion, albeit having a far darker tone (which i enjoyed). Then I try to explain it to other people, like other people used to try to explain it to me, and it all falls apart, because people suddenly think I'm rabid about it like so many other fans. Thus, I suggest the community environment.
    • CommentAuthorjohnmuth
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
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    The only exposure to Whedon's work has been the Firefly universe and the first trade of his Astonishing X-Men run. Loved the Firefly stuff (bring on a new movie!!) and the X-men was cool...I would read more, just not actively jumping for it.

    I'm interested in Dollhouse. It sounds like a pretty neat concept (sort of like The Sandbaggers, but with hot chicks and mind-wiping and Eliza Dushku) Never had a fondness or I guess, I should say interest, in Buffy or Angel...Vampire tv, has never really appealed to me, I guess. Had no idea he was involved with Alien:Resurrection - which had Ron Perlman in it, so it's not all bad in my book. :)
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    Here's the rundown:

    -The Buffy series was watchable but had nothing on the movie.
    -The Firefly universe is terrible to me. The casting and design is just utterly generic.
    -I would like Runaways if I were 12 years old.
    -Alien: Resurrection was just horrible, I'd rather stare at my fecal matter for two hours.
    -Astonishing X-Men is his best work. The cure storyline was fantastic.

    Joss Whedon works with my favorite genre but he still doesn't rock my world.
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    I never really dug on Buffy. I liked the film, and had I realised that the series was created/written by the same guy, I probably would have tried harder to overlook my loathing for Sarah Michelle Gellar, and tried to overcome my feelings that the show was a rip off of American She-Wolf in London (aka Love and Curses). For years, I avoided it. And then one night, my then girlfriend fell asleep during an episode, and watching it all alone, with only the vaugest ideas of what the history between the characters was, I was totally hooked.

    I think alot of that has to do with the episode at hand, being "Smashed", wherein Buffy and Spike beat the snot out of each other before she leaps onto his crotch, and audibly unzips his fly. I know at least one other person who was similarly converted to Buffy fandom through watching that episode by chance.
    • CommentAuthorScottS
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
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    I really liked the first 3 seasons of Buffy and then the final season... seasons 4-6 didn't do much for me as a whole, though there were episodes in there that I did enjoy. Firefly didn't catch my interest while it was still on the air, but then I found it on DVD and really liked it. Ditto for the movie.

    The buffy comic series has been fantastic so far. The Firefly miniseries... was good. Not great, but solid.

    Whedon was the only reason I picked up Astonishing and I was very impressed (ok, he hit me with the nostalgia punch in the first issue when Kitty flashes back to the Professor X is a Jerk issue of the Claremont/Smith run). I like the Runaways stuff too.

    For full disclosure: I also have the Joss Whendon DVD from Creative Screenwriting.
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      CommentAuthorJon Wake
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
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    Mostly I hate the people that love his shows, the kind of doofy vampie love story LARPers (sorry in advance to all the doofy vampie love story LARPers, in exchange, I secretly enjoy the Pokemon games).


    Is that a fact there, tough guy?
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      CommentAuthorkahavi
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
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    I love Firefly and Serenity. Some of the episodes on Buffy and Angel were good fun, but I wasn't too thrilled by the way things turned out in them. I can't to wait to see The Dollhouse, merely because of the premise. As for Whedon's comic stuff... I don't know, despite Astonishing X-Men being good, I don't like much of his comic book work.
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      CommentAuthorEgon
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008 edited
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    Serentiy/Firefly - Not too bad. I'll watch an episode if it's on.

    Astonishing X-Men is Astonishing.

    Buffy/Angel - Haha! Yeah, right. Anyways...

    Alien: Resurection?? Really? He did this? I really liked it. Jean-Pierre Jeunet directing with Ron Pearlman? Maybe I'm just comparing it to where Alien is now, but this movie ruled. Certainly better than Alien 3 (which was also good)
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      CommentAuthorbrittanica
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
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    i could never get into anything of his, save for astonishing. one of the best x-books ever, i'd venture to say.

    he butchered runaways, though. my god, he butchered it.

    it had it's moments, and he can write molly well enough, but overall... incoherent mess. there's way too much going on and none of it has to do with anything else. i'll be so glad when he's off the book (one more issue, i think).
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      CommentAuthortedcroland
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
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    Let us not forget Toy Story.
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      CommentAuthorSJD
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008 edited
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    Just for those of you looking forward to DOLLHOUSE.
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      CommentAuthorLazarus99
    • CommentTimeMay 17th 2008
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    I hadn't heard of Dollhouse, but I'll check it out.

    I find it unfair of those who automatically denounce BtVS just because of Sarah Michelle Gellar. Yes, it probably would have been better with, say Jessica Alba, or even Kirsty Swanson again, but the other cast members were great.

    @Zombinoid
    How do you mean "generic casting"?

    Having said that I loved Joss's stuff for the dialogue, I did find, rather ironically I think, that the best episode of the entire 7-season series was "Hush", which due to a rather neat plot device contained no dialogue whatsoever.

    Also, cheesy though it was, I did rather enjoy the musical episode, even though its not the most original concept in cult television.

    My favourite Angel episode is the one where he gets tranformed into a Muppet. He kind of looked like a clinically depressed Count from Sesame Street.

    I don't care what ANYONE says about Firefly/Serenity, I love everything about it. And yes, I do know that Joss has a tendancy to cast people he already knows (at least six actors in Firefly had already been used in Buffy/Angel). I kind of like that.

    Okay, I'm done...flame on.