Whitechapel - The Ultimates, vol. 3 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla & Feed Publisher The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6194#Comment_6194 2007-12-08T02:30:05-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 Adam Violent http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=997 So. Were they just making fun of everyone who liked vol. 1 & 2? Cuz I'm not laughing.
Were they just making fun of everyone who liked vol. 1 & 2?

Cuz I'm not laughing.]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6204#Comment_6204 2007-12-08T04:49:00-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 Azmoooo http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1452 Just when you thought Loeb couldn't top the suckitude of the season finale of Heroes... The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6205#Comment_6205 2007-12-08T04:50:36-08:00 2007-12-08T05:08:42-08:00 The Skoot http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1300 I love how Jeph Loeb's idea of suspense is to have Venom fight the Ultimates while asking for someone, never thinking to, y'know, say her sodding name. It ended up feeling like coming into a film ... say her sodding name.

It ended up feeling like coming into a film halfway through and knowing that the events you're watching should be important, but they mean nothing to you since you have zero context for what's going on. I really need to read Long Halloween or something, see why people think Loeb is a good writer, since his Marvel stuff has been fairly abysmal.]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6211#Comment_6211 2007-12-08T05:06:29-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 hank http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=79 Oh god is it bad? Fuck i'm dreading the trip to the comics store now.
Fuck i'm dreading the trip to the comics store now.]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6212#Comment_6212 2007-12-08T05:10:00-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 The Skoot http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1300 Calling it 'bad' is an insult to bad things everywhere. The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6214#Comment_6214 2007-12-08T05:35:17-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 boyanachronism http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=132 and i was looking forward to reading this. Its really that bad?
Its really that bad?]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6218#Comment_6218 2007-12-08T05:48:08-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 hyim http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=855 There are some choices I wasn't too fond off, like outing the sibling's relationship. it was like when millar outed apollo and midnighter. It was so much classier when ellis was just suggesting it, ... ellis was just suggesting it, not making it a gimmicky deal. What goes around...

Also is it me or did Wasp decided to just not be of the asian persuasion anymore ? biased myopia in character design perhaps ?

It was difficult to live up to the hype and such a majestic run from the first two volumes.

Art looks tight and the colours are lovely, helps the line art and its readability. Joe Mad's video game style feels a bit weird especially after Hitch "you're in the book now" art. Probably will read better after a few issues. Paneling is itchy, lots of side shots jumping between each other, left right left right. We are a bit far from the cinematic panels of mr Hitch, where Brian could suggest a smooth dolly out just by choosing two key moments. Again, paneling will surely improve as he gets more pages under the belt.

Ending is a lukewarm cliffhanger, and the intrigue (stuff is happening behind the scenes, what could they be) doesn't really titillate the thrill glands. As of yet.

My biggest problem with it though is all the characters keep babbling about what is going on, what they are feeling, and what is at stakes for their own character.
There's no subtext. What you read is truly what you get.

Will see after issue 2 if I'm just going to wait for the trade.

The ultimates 3 first issue feels a lot like any of the third installments of the marvel movies, really.]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6228#Comment_6228 2007-12-08T07:02:22-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 Jacen http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=343 hyim-If you still dislike it after issue 2 why would you buy the trade? These days I'll only give my money to books that really resonate with me and continue to do so. There are just so many great ...
-j]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6241#Comment_6241 2007-12-08T07:35:37-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 Willie http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=474 I for one thought it was a decent read and far,far from as bad as people are claiming it is. You want bad?Read All Star Batman,Wolverine Origins,New Avengers,etc. I really don't know what ...
You want bad?Read All Star Batman,Wolverine Origins,New Avengers,etc.

I really don't know what people were expecting,what Millar and Hitch did can't be topped.I got what I expected,Loeb mentioned this was going to be more straight forward superhero comics with a wee bit of mystery.

I'd also like to challenge the comment above about Loeb's writing on Heroes,he has written the best episodes of season 1 and managed to salvage the wreck of season 2 with an episode that surpassed anything this season]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6256#Comment_6256 2007-12-08T08:08:32-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 cjh http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=775 I really don't know what people were expecting,what Millar and Hitch did can't be topped. See, now, I disagree with that. Ultimates 1 and 2 were pretty to look at because of Hitch's art but ... I really don't know what people were expecting,what Millar and Hitch did can't be topped.

See, now, I disagree with that. Ultimates 1 and 2 were pretty to look at because of Hitch's art but whatever depth Millar tried to put into the scripts tended to be undermined by his jingoistic tendencies. And as it seems that Marvel is unwilling to enforce the editorial control to keep creators getting books together on time, they certainly aren't going to excise the editorial control to tighten up the writing either. Ironic for a company that everyone bemoans as having "editorially controlled" titles.

I would like to see a good, solid writer with a good grasp of a writer's tool get a swing at one of the Ultimates series. Elsewhere I suggested Jeff Parker should take a swing at the book. After his work on Agents of Atlas I think that he could pull together an interesting and compelling look at the Ultimates. I don't really care about the "superstar" status of comic creators. I lived, and collected comics, through the time leading up to the Image Era of comics so I've seen where the road to "superstars" leads. There isn't any untoppable run on a comic because there is always someone new, eager and exciting that is working their way up the ladder, someone who is more interested in the books than the Wizard magazine interviews or the websites, who has their eye on the book and not their own PR. Those people are always going to be the ones who knock the ball out of the park.]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6270#Comment_6270 2007-12-08T09:06:48-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 Willie http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=474 Millar's characters in Ultimates were written very well.Each had their own personalities and habits.Despite the lateness,which is pointless to complain about,the scripts were always solid and ...
Also,I don't there are many writers out there that can pull of a cinematic climax over the course of 3 to 4 issues like Mark did in the final chapters of both volumes.

Mark and Bryan's immense run reads more like a widescreen epic instead of a typical superhero team book.]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6272#Comment_6272 2007-12-08T09:10:32-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 boyanachronism http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=132 Just read this issue I think my main problem is that after reading the whole issue, there was no-one that i actually cared about. The personalitys just didnt make me want to root for anyone.
I think my main problem is that after reading the whole issue, there was no-one that i actually cared about. The personalitys just didnt make me want to root for anyone.]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6273#Comment_6273 2007-12-08T09:14:47-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 screaming meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1219 I loved 1 & 2... I'm dreading this vol 3 malarkey... nuts The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6274#Comment_6274 2007-12-08T09:17:02-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 cjh http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=775 Millar's characters in Ultimates were written very well. Sure, if you say so. Millar's characters in Ultimates were written very well.

Sure, if you say so.]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6276#Comment_6276 2007-12-08T09:19:09-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 Ian Mayor http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=882 Ultimates 3 #1 is the worst single issue I've read in some time. The writing combines unmotivated 'biff' 'pow' superfighting with seedy, sex obsessed tone you don't find much outside fan fic and ...
The writing combines unmotivated 'biff' 'pow' superfighting with seedy, sex obsessed tone you don't find much outside fan fic and HollyOaks (possibly... I've heard), and characters have changed from the Millar/Hitch run for no discernable gain.

The art is plain confusing (try and following the transition from inside to outside the mansion on the first reading) and drowned in photoshop.

Wrong Writer x Wrong Artist = Wrong squared.]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6282#Comment_6282 2007-12-08T09:40:55-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 hyim http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=855 Jacen wrote: hyim-If you still dislike it after issue 2 why would you buy the trade? You didn't get me right. I actually didn't dislike the issue, it just left with a meh feeling, and the the ... Jacen wrote:
hyim-If you still dislike it after issue 2 why would you buy the trade?

You didn't get me right.
I actually didn't dislike the issue, it just left with a meh feeling, and the the art has some production quality ( I also just love the colors, love the fact that you an see the ps bushstrokes layered atop each other, gives it a very nice lived-on wacom tablet feeling.) .
I m going to buy issue 2 to see if it improves, then will decide if I pick it up as each issue ships. If it doesn't improve, I'll give ultimates 3 another shot (after all the reviews and so on go through, when the loeb/Mad run is actually considered on its merits) when the trade appears.
It would be pretty smallminded of me to consider the whole book mediocre -a story that has yet to be written and to appear on shelves- on what may be just a lukewarm start.]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6298#Comment_6298 2007-12-08T10:19:03-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 warrenellis http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2 Yeah, I'm pressing the Sink button. Keep going, guys, but I'm moving you off the front page... The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6333#Comment_6333 2007-12-08T12:59:10-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 Adam Violent http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=997 To be honest, I had a very strong love/hate relationship with Ultimates. I thought it was mostly mindless popcorn comics, no characterization, and nearly everyone talked the same. It started to ...
This was not fun.

This was just really insulting. It felt like Jeph Loeb flipped through the previous issues, made a conscious decision to write like how he thought we expected it to sound, and then shat it out. He dumbed himself down for us and wore it on his sleeve.

Not to mention just ignoring things that had been established for years now. I'm not a continuity nazi by the longest stretch, and I'm definitely not against changing costumes or whatever the fuck, but when you decide to make them nearly identical to "regular" Marvel, you're already starting to defeat the purpose of the book. As if that's not bad enough, characters lose ethnicity (reverting to "default caucasian") and take up new goddamn ridiculous speech patterns (when the fuck did it EVER make sense for Thor to talk in Olde English?), further connecting them back to what they've purposely been removed from. I'm betting Nick Fury is back to being a crinkly old white dude.

The whole thing was such a farce. And I'm not such a fanboy where I complain about comics like this. If I read a bad comic, I wrinkle my nose, say "well, fuck, that was awful," and move on. But I feel genuinely pissed on here. By a fucking funny book writer.]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6339#Comment_6339 2007-12-08T13:15:24-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 Greg SBB! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=856 This made my eyes and brain bleed. The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6398#Comment_6398 2007-12-08T16:30:05-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 Willie http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=474 Sure, if you say so. Yup. Sure, if you say so.

Yup.]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6468#Comment_6468 2007-12-08T21:58:45-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 TechnocratJT http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=558 Millar's work is not generally to my taste, but I did more or less get what he was doing with the Ultimates. The number of good ole' lefty super hero writers who specialize in satirizing the ...
The number of good ole' lefty super hero writers who specialize in satirizing the right wing nature of allot of super hero comics, while at the same time getting applauded by the conservative militaristic comic fan who can't see the joke, is not a large number. And thats what The Ultimates was, and really its why it had to end with Millar, become closer to the older versions, or find another writer who can play that game.

Otherwise it is going to be a self parody of what was already satire, and I do not think Loeb is a good choice in light of that.]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6483#Comment_6483 2007-12-08T23:13:57-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 Necros http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1325 All I can say is we'll see... The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=6619#Comment_6619 2007-12-09T17:52:50-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 Brandon Seifert http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=333 Paul O'Brien explains up my reaction to this issue far better than I ever could. The muddy colors. The bad pacing. Millar's Club of Subtlety replaced by the Club of No Subtlety. Replacing the ... explains up my reaction to this issue far better than I ever could. The muddy colors. The bad pacing. Millar's Club of Subtlety replaced by the Club of No Subtlety. Replacing the team with generic superheroes, albeit tortured angsty superheroes. Shouting the plot at each other. The confused storytelling. My total lack of caring about anything at all in the entire issue, made all the worse by the fact that the original Ultimates is the one thing of Millar's I've ever really loved and looked forward to.

And the way he sums it up:
Reading this issue, I couldn't help imagining people in the Marvel offices gathering around the pages in horrified silence, with a clock ticking ominously in the background. They must know. They surely can't have deluded themselves into thinking this is any good.
]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=7286#Comment_7286 2007-12-12T07:45:40-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 Chaosbringer http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1409 @ Ian: I think Countdown (can someone explain the point of it to me, please?). You know, I tried looking at U3 #1 without thinking about the previous installments, but even as a "regular ...
You know, I tried looking at U3 #1 without thinking about the previous installments, but even as a "regular universe" Avengers story it didn't come off that well (IMO).

When did Valkyrie get actual powers?
Why was Thor speaking more like his 616 counterpart?
Why is Pym back with the Ultimates?

Was there some sort of bridge between U2 &3, or is it actually as disjointed as it looks?]]> The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=8256#Comment_8256 2007-12-16T00:11:40-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 MusiM http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1297 I think my only problem with Ultimates #3 is Janet wasn't Asian anymore. The Ultimates, vol. 3 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=228&Focus=8809#Comment_8809 2007-12-18T21:31:16-08:00 2013-05-17T23:01:24-07:00 Mark Sweeney http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10 I didn't read the book, but I did pick it up and look through it for other reasons - I'd heard about how badly the colors 'looked'. The print job on this book was utterly abominable. I've seen the ...