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    • CommentAuthorStitchy
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
     (23.21)
    I have to say I was just writing a research paper today and after about an hour of searching the internet I found absolutely nothing substantial or worthwhile. In turn, I decided to try out the rarely looked at books at my little local library. 5 minutes and I found everything I needed. The internet is great but there is nothing like the real deal.
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      CommentAuthorMiss
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
     (23.22)
    I have trouble reading large blocks of text from a screen, and whenever I do editorial work, I do it on a hard copy first.
    Feeling and smelling pages is nice. Having overflowing bookshelves is also nice. Compressing the reading experience into a slimline sardine tin doesn't seem nearly as appealing.

    That said, I never liked libraries much, as I do not want my books seeing other people.
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      CommentAuthorBexx B.S.
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
     (23.23)
    I use e-books for my smut. No need to have the dirty laundry of books on lay-about the haus right? With that said - *I* devour books as if they are my last meal. The man of the haus puts up quite the bitch and moan when I bring a new friend home from work. See - working in a bookstore is a lot like working in a candy factory. CAN NOT RESIST!
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    I use e-books for my smut. No need to have the dirty laundry of books on lay-about the haus right?

    Excellent view on a sticky... ... subject. The accessibility of ebooks is invaluable for reasons that are obvious. On the go an ebook is awesome. I love to be able to reference a book or get in a small read from my smart phone whenever I'd like. But lets be honest, in a private home setting I would much rather read a hard copy. My eyesight is so horrible that I am beginning to see back in time more vividly than what is in front of me. I just can't physically commit to reading from a screen anymore than I already do.

    I worked with a fine printer for a few years, have a BA in Literature, and possess my own collection of books and comics, but I'm not as excited about the smell of a book as some here are. There are healthier alternatives to ink and glue fumes, like pot, skydiving, or abusing small children.

    PS Warren, thanks for putting me on to Hollow Earth Radio, now playing Leadbelly.
  2.  (23.25)
    And thank you fo r delivering the Hollow Earth Gem to me!
  3.  (23.26)
    Besides the fact that I just enjoy physical books, I find that I don't get as much from reading things on a screen. For anything longer than your average blog post I just don't read as deeply or remember as much. I've heard much the same from my contemporaries, so wonder if it's a generational thing though - do you suppose the current kids being raised on the internet have that problem?
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      CommentAuthorgwferguson
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
     (23.27)
    Weren't we cautioned about all this in Vernor Vinge's Rainbows End?
  4.  (23.28)
    I'm half and half. Didn't have the internet, or at least it was not as easily accessible, until I was just about in high school I guess, and I'm a few years out of college now. I read in short bursts online, not in long outings as I would with a novel. It just seems ridiculous to sit in front of a screen for that amount of time if you do not need to. But then maybe it is just my background with books and my schooling. I know plenty of the MTV generation minions that haven't touched a piece of printed material any larger than a herpes pamphlet since high school.

    I would rather print out a long novel and trash it afterwards than sit in front of a screen for an extra few hours a day. I get that fried feeling after too long. Not so with printed material. Thus in terms of reading for pleasure, hard copies are plainly more comfortable to handle. Whereas a digital copy read from a screen is more functional and useful for work and quick pleasure.
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      CommentAuthorgwferguson
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007 edited
     (23.29)
    "...I just don't read as deeply or remember as much. I've heard much the same from my contemporaries, so wonder if it's a generational thing though - do you suppose the current kids being raised on the internet have that problem?

    It may well be generational (again, see Rainbows End). I'm 52 and for the life of me I cannot proofread onscreen text anywhere near as well as I can hardcopy, while all the little college students seem to do just fine. Of course, they're shallow as hell, they can't spell worth a damn, and they believe punctuation marks are nothing more than decoration, but still, they don't seem to have any real problems with e-text.
  5.  (23.30)
    MontiLee or anybody else with the Sony -- that has the e-ink technology, right? (and so does the Kindle, apparently) I'm curious how effective that is in addressing the issues of screen-reading fatigue.
    • CommentAuthortmofee
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
     (23.31)
    The good thing for me with these ebooks is living out in the Bush it's hard to get a book when you want it without having to order. Well, unless you're a bestseller fan. Lost my copy of "Holy Cow" by Sarah MacDonald years back and never got around to finishing it. Found it online and now about half way through.

    Dymocks, a book chain in Australia says by the end of this year they'll have some sort of reader out in Australia, no announcments yet to what it will be (they said it won't be the Kindle), but I'll probably be getting one.
  6.  (23.32)
    Is it just me, or is reading words on a piece of paper a lot easier on the eyes than an LCD screen? I don't think e-books, or e-comics for that matter, will ever replace the real deal. Call it nostalgia if you may, but us humans are the only animals who dwell on the past. Memories of curling up with a nice thick novel, to me, would be preferable to fuzzy memories of curling up with a Kindle.
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      CommentAuthordavid.marks
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007 edited
     (23.33)
    "...curling up with a Kindle."

    Kind of unnerving when you put some thought in to that idea. Laying down with utter trust next to any object with those sorts of capabilities, albeit artificial. The Kindle is no more capable then the computer I'm typing on now, but that visual is disturbing. Books cannot read you, but I can picture nightmarish scenarios: Big Brother hacking in to your webcam , you buying mum a Kindle for christmas, next thing you know she is having a babyshower the likes of Rosemary's Baby. Cheers of coolant go around.
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    gwferguson - To clarify, I was thinking of "generational" in broader terms. Like david.marks, I'm a few years out of college and didn't have the internet until I was in high school, i.e. old enough to be a bibliophile. I'm interested in seeing how people who were truly raised on computers, the ones who are in elementary school now and have never known a time without widespread internet access, view electronic reading as opposed to those of us who learned it well after our reading habits were established.
    • CommentAuthorC.O.
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
     (23.35)
    I have a pretty big physical library too, but I also have a nice digital one. I have a fairly shitty ebook reader, that I used once on vacation. I'd like one of the new Sony Readers, since they've come down in price...but they haven't come down far enough.

    All that said, I prefer an analog book to a digital one any day. If I had one of those nice readers, though, my mind might change...
    • CommentAuthortmofee
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
     (23.36)
    Does anyone know of a decent, reasonably affordable reader?? Im just curious what Dymocks are going to see as they have their own digital download site so they won't be going with the proprietary format readers like the kindle - isn't the sony reader like that too??
  8.  (23.37)
    TED speaker on dictionaries.

    I think it relates.
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      CommentAuthorAriana
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
     (23.38)
    Oh my god, Willow... she's so EXUBERANT. Some good points (and some crazy ones) but her comments about current web dictionaries (and many books online) just mimicking paper probably bears much more thought.
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    Ariana, I especially like the point about serendipity ... that's why I still use books even when I'm only looking at a chapter or two - context has a lot to do with every construction. We are creating our own context more and more, but that also warps the intended meaning of something. Memes are great, and I love re-creating what something means so that it means more to me, but we're still connected.

    I also love seeing people geek out.
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      CommentAuthorAriana
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
     (23.40)
    Willow, I came straight from The Falling Times back over here to your post. So it's going to be that sort of day, looks like.