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      CommentAuthorbadger
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2007
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    These are two links to the same blog, empty wheel. I've always liked Marcy Wheeler's analysis, especially on the Plame leak case, although the effect of the case was nearly negligible. Even the fall guy Scooter walked.

    NIE timeline on Iran's nuclear weapon program. Although he wasn't under oath at the time, it's nearly proven that once again, the Bush administration was flat out lying to the American people, in pursuit of another needless, illegal war.

    Timeline on destruction of CIA interrogation tapes. This story breaking now seems odd to me, as i could swear that it's old news that the CIA destroyed the torture tapes.

    I don't have much insightful to add. I'm weary.

    My bet was on a war within Iran beginning last January, but perhaps that won't happen. All i see in the headlines this morning is about Gates proclaiming that Iran is still a destabilizing force to the region. The war might not happen, but the pushback has begun.

    The Democrats are calling for hearings on the torture tapes, but since Democrats Sen. Rockefeller and Rep. Harman are complicit, that will be a deadend

    Can anyone see anything meaningful coming of this? Or are both of these stories just like the Plame leak, clear crimes, but considered legal because America's watching Dancing with the Stars?
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDKNZrHKAW0

    Keith Olbermann hands out a good old fashioned verbal asskicking to GW
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2007
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    Here's the part that pisses me off about the whole situation. The excuse the administration is giving for destroying the tape, is that they wanted to protect the identity of CIA operatives. Funny how the White House, especially the VP's office, had no problem outing Valerie Plame.
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      CommentAuthorExploder
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2007
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    Or are both of these stories just like the Plame leak, clear crimes, but considered legal because America's watching Dancing with the Stars?


    Funny, I thought watching tapes of Dancing with the Stars was how they were torturing the prisoners? Destruction of those tapes would be considered radically progressive.

    I've recently woken up, so if that doesn't sound sarcastic for some reason, Disclaimer: It is.
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      CommentAuthorMiss
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2007
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    Their excuse for destroying these tapes really is one of the more pitiful ones I've heard from this lot. Aside from noting the hypocrisy in regards of what they did to Plame, I'm pretty sure every American is aware that putting fuzzy dots over people's faces on video isn't very hard. And the tapes may not have even been made public. And that you don't destroy something like that unless there's something to hide. Especially if you're lying about it afterwards. Doubly so if there's a history of lying. Triply so if you're angling for a war. And so on. All of which Olbermann has probably said (rock on, Keith) at some point. Just seems really bloody obvious, an argument that a child could poke holes in.

    As for Iran, we all know they've been itching to find something really meaty there, and from previous experience plus what's surfaced, will just make something up if there isn't much to go on and ignore reality. There's that "I don't like what you said, so you're wrong and/or fired" attitude that so frequently appears.

    Frankly, I'm astounded that the American people are willing to put up with this crap. Congress has lost its spine, if it had one to begin with, and is going to sit by wringing its hands, as usual. By the time of the election, I don't even want to think about the further mess that will have been made. Maybe people really are too busy rotting their brains in front of crap TV to notice.

    On the upside, all this reminds me to watch Bill Hicks more often. And that it's time for coffee.
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      CommentAuthoraike
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2007
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    I find the fact they 'lost' over 10 million white house emails (internal and external) more worrying.

    Yeah well... looks like the heat is on, time to clean up house a bit, burn some books, shred some documents, the usual. So who will be get to be the Ollie North of this one, I wonder.
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    "Even the fall guy Scooter walked. "

    You'll notice they commuted his sentence rater than pardoning him.

    Which is rather convenient. If he had been pardoned and subsequently found himself testifying in court or before Congress he wouldn't have been able to invoke his fifth amendment rights on the issue because there'd be no risk of self-incrimination.

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