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      CommentAuthororwellseyes
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2008 edited
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    Ah, now here is a sample of Fuut-cher Moo-zicks.


    The ATTIGO: TT is the brainchild of Dundee University student Scott Hobbs and is basically two digital turntables (with waveforms displayed) that allows DJ's to "loop, sample and scratch wave forms just as you would a record."

    There is video of this thing in action.
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      CommentAuthorMegaGoosey
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2008
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    uggggggh- those arent turntables.

    im sure im in the minority on this board, but no vinyl, no tables, no dj.

    commence the yelling...
    • CommentAuthorSRT
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2008
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    I'm another vinyl-head.

    I actually know nothing about turntablism, but I do collect albums on vinyl and prefer not to buy them on CD.
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      CommentAuthornoblelion
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2008
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    Word. I still refuse to even get CD turntables. Traditionalist, here.
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    Joe, SRT and St.Bernard pose with friends.



    Nothing wrong with liking vinyl, it has a good warm sound to it. But it's a bitch to lug around, wears down and it's fucking ridiculous in terms of expense. Time marches, onward and such.
    • CommentAuthorInexperto
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2008
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    @MegaGoosey

    Tenori-On! Good god, that's a lovely bit of kit. I had the pleasure of trying one out at the London Design Musuem. It's intuitive (you only need to look at it go for 30 seconds before you can just pick it up and play), just the right size and shape and, well, fun. Lots and lots of fun.

    Sadly, it's also £600 and my wife won't let me put our furniture on eBay so that I can buy it.

    It made me want to mix, sample and play around with beats and sounds, whilst pissing about with huge vinyl discs, turntables and mixing desks never really appealed to me.
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    Hmm... I'm not too bothered either way, if it sounds good I'm happy, but semantically joe is almost bang on, since disk jockey suggests some interaction with disks (although that could include CDs or Harddrives at a push).
    Now if these people were called tjs (as in tech jockeys), or djs (as in data jockeys) that would work for me :D
    And MegaGoosey... that thing is awesome! I could follow what he was doing with it up to a certain point, but it's pretty bloody complex!
    • CommentAuthor___________
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2008 edited
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    i prefer vinyl but am too poor to be picky.
    in saying that, I daresay the vinyl will still outlast every other medium.

    as a tool, I have to say it looks great, although i wonder at the waveforms as they represent a mono wave or is it a combined one? it's one of those, 'why didn't anyone think of this sooner?' ideas.
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    hahaha, that was about the perfect response. im a crotchety old man when it comes to certain things.

    and i agree with frenchbloke, its a cool tool for music, but its just not dj-ing. i mean fuck, i cant hate all technology- im in a grind band with no drummer, just brutal electronics.
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    The video really isn't that impressive, just a way to show off big buck flatpannels. I once had a local producer show off his $14,000 djing rig to me when I was looking at buying a PA from him and I was like... what's the point?

    I come at this from the opposite side. I Disk Jockeyed for years with vinyl and stacks of ZOMG RARE OMG DONT LOOSE ME skinny puppy 12"s and the like. It was fun but god damn if I didn't dump that shit asap once I got my laptop. Vinyl is cool but who wants to carry around a bunch of physical objects when you're playing multiple places a night? I can pull more audio and twist it more with my laptop. Usually when Data Jockeying (a joke term I came up with now rushing back thanks to paul) I'm using 1-4 tracks of audio, running fx, making an ass of myself with a mic to sing along and playing some weird circuit bent stuff/outboard fx. (Hidden DJ trick; you know that old Metalizer pedal you bought so your guitar could sound like Godflesh? Put some detroit electro through it and it sounds like the end of the world in high resolution pink pixel three dimensions.) I find my laptop lets me do more things and be more passionate and expressive about the music I'm playing and push that into the crowd so we can all get more buck and have a better time.

    I think part of this vinyl elitism / inaccurate bias is that digital set ups have a lower learning curve. I've seen a lot of bad vinyl DJs but it's a lower cost of entry w/ a digital system so you get more players in the game and more underperformers.

    I'm rambling
    but in short
    vinyl is cool. Laptop/digital DJing is freeing if you do it right, vinyl is freeing if you do it right, vinyl elitism (or any elitism) is lame and is a roadblock on the route to getting everyone to bucktown.
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    yeah, but you freely admit that you do more than just dj, (running 4 tracks of audio+effects+live vocals/mc-ing, etc) which is a totally different beast to me- i have no predilection against that. and as far as recording, i dont care what people use-when there is a live dj is my only concern. maybe i am just sick of shit like the ever awesome ipod dj nights, where making a playlist is considered djing. there should be some tactile user input involved, in my eyes.
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    It looks like a lot of fun, but it's just another tool to be used and abused. As Joe says, there has to be some input from the DJ - whether it's the mixing or the twisting - to make it a good night.
    I used to DJ parties at my friends house using two turntables, two CD players and a cassette player - all at once! That was hard work, but fun.
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    i can see bands using one of these as part of their live setup. more dynamic than pressing a key on a sampler or hitting the start button on ableton. but dj's ? not sure. and is the fact that there is a solitary waveform mean that it's a mono sound player ? or is it purely for audio representation purposes ?
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    yeah, when we play, its just the guitarist/songwriter hitting start on the electribe for the drums- and a pedal with the extra noises/samples type stuff.
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    From the video I can't tell but in traktor (what I use to dj w/) the main waveform is in a bright color and stuff that is only in one channel is ghosted out. you can still see it but it seperates it out from the main beat.
    • CommentAuthorjzellis
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2008
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    I've been playing with using the Wiimote as a fader/controller when I DJ and play live. Really fun to crossfade by swinging your arms around. :-)
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      CommentAuthorCaz_Nova
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2008
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    As just a listener, I've found that there are DJs and then there are professional music selectors. I know too many "DJs" that don't even know how to beat match... That shit pises me off. Either learn how to DJ or call yourself a Music Selector.

    Now what you use to DJ doesn't particularly matter to me, most of the people I know use CDJs but they actually know how to beat match and that alone makes a significant difference to my enjoyment.
    • CommentAuthorjzellis
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2008
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    Personally, I don't beat-match, but I also don't play techno-style music -- I mix a lot of different kinds of stuff. It's sort of hard to beat-match "Heroes"-era David Bowie with, say, "Cape Cod Kwasaa Kwasaa" by Vampire Weekend and then drop subtly into a loop of the intro to "Town Called Malice" by The Jam for thirty-two bars.

    Doesn't seem to matter to the people I DJ to, but they seem far more interested in fucking each other in the bathroom than anything else.
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    re: semantics: I've met a whole bunch of electronic music djs over here in Japan, who have adoped the phrase "spinning" even though they use laptops and no turntables. It threw me at first, but now it works well enough. Cut them a little slack since they're appropriating from another language anyway, won'tcha?