Whitechapel - What's your favorite renegade technology? 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla & Feed Publisher What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6702#Comment_6702 2007-12-10T07:32:35-08:00 2007-12-10T07:35:06-08:00 Mark Seifert http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3 Kevin Kelly: I don’t worry about most new inventions, but there are four technologies I think are worth worrying about. These are the emerging technologies of geno-, robo-, info-, nano- ... I don’t worry about most new inventions, but there are four technologies I think are worth worrying about. These are the emerging technologies of geno-, robo-, info-, nano- stuff.

More on the so-called GRIN (Geno, Robo, Info, Nano) technologies: The hell scenario is eerily the mirror image of the heaven scenario. The poster boy for the hell scenario is Bill Joy, who invented [much] of what makes the Internet work

The infamous Bill Joy article in Wired: Why the future doesn't need us.

I think my favorite is robotics. It's hard not to like a good world-dominating robot civilization.]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6724#Comment_6724 2007-12-10T09:38:20-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Alan Tyson http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1299 I gotta say I'm more excited about the robo and nano technologies. What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6728#Comment_6728 2007-12-10T09:50:30-08:00 2007-12-10T09:52:13-08:00 Gypsy http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=30 Favorite as in which am I betting on will have world domination first? Gray goo is my vote. Take itty bitty little machines and give them the programming that allows them to self replicate...and I ... What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6730#Comment_6730 2007-12-10T09:56:35-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 BrianKellett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=234 Nope - Gray Goo won't be a problem, the reason behind this is that we can visualise it and therefore protect against it. The worry will be the thing that smacks us completely out of left field. We ...
(Of course Chernobyl was built and could never go wrong - but that hurts my argument so I shall put my fingers in my ears and go "Lalalalalalalalala".

I do like the GRIN acronym.]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6733#Comment_6733 2007-12-10T09:59:40-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Benny http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=602 He made good points in what to worry about, but my question is, what other form of technology is out there besides GRIN. Seriously, doesn't GRIN pretty much cover almost all aspect of technology that ... What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6737#Comment_6737 2007-12-10T10:14:14-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Gypsy http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=30 @ Reynolds Gray Goo won't be a problem, the reason behind this is that we can visualise it and therefore protect against it. You're right! So, the solution is to stop right now while we still have ...
Gray Goo won't be a problem, the reason behind this is that we can visualise it and therefore protect against it.

You're right! So, the solution is to stop right now while we still have a chance!

In all seriousness, I think that "third option", the one defined under "Prevail" will be the correct outcome in most doomsday scenarios. But that doesn't preclude the fact that it'll get worse before it gets better when the bog juice finally hits the oscillator.]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6747#Comment_6747 2007-12-10T10:40:21-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 BrianKellett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=234 Also more seriously - I agree, we haven't managed to kill ourselves yet, and having seen people hack technology to do away with restrictions on them I'm a big fan of 'Nerd Determinism'. If someone ...
If someone is bright enough to wipe us out, some other equally bright spark will work out the way to save us.

That and I'm a born optimist.]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6800#Comment_6800 2007-12-10T13:37:25-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Mark Seifert http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3 Haha. The Center for Responsible Nanotechnology thinks that while robotic issues would be more likely to pop up first, if we do reach a certain level of goo technology then we've got problems: If ... we've got problems:
If we ever get to the point where script kiddies can release dangerous gray goo, we're probably doomed—since it'll surely be harder to stop goo than to stop slow-moving, slow-thinking meat robots from pushing the wrong buttons.
]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6805#Comment_6805 2007-12-10T13:51:34-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 BrianKellett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=234 Haha. The Center for Responsible Nanotechnology thinks that while robotic issues would be more likely to pop up first, if we do reach a certain level of goo technology then we've got problems: No ... Haha. The Center for Responsible Nanotechnology thinks that while robotic issues would be more likely to pop up first, if we do reach a certain level of goo technology then we've got problems:

No - I reckon that if/when we reach that sort of level we'll have things like the nano killers from Stephenson's 'The Diamond Age' just floating around in the atmosphere. If only because we'd want to be protecting ourselves from rogue states before we have to worry about the script kiddies (I would assume).]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6891#Comment_6891 2007-12-10T19:17:52-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Ben http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=700 I feel like script kiddies would be much more of a threat simply because rogue states would want to use the power of gray goo as leverage for some political goal, whereas script kiddies would release ... What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6895#Comment_6895 2007-12-10T19:23:58-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Mark Seifert http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3 Good points, Reynolds and Ben. It might then become a constantly upgraded battle between new gray goo and new nano killers. What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6898#Comment_6898 2007-12-10T19:27:37-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Ben http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=700 I wonder how long a battle like that would take to reach the point where neither side takes into account the people they were trying to protect and we all die of some horrible respiratory disease. What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6900#Comment_6900 2007-12-10T19:31:47-08:00 2007-12-10T19:32:18-08:00 Mark Seifert http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3 Ben - probably not very long! There'd be a booming business in doktorsleepless-esque BIOMETRS to constantly monitor your condition. What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6903#Comment_6903 2007-12-10T19:46:40-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Unsub http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1446 The tech that will change the world has probably already been developed. I read a really good article on the CSIS(Canuk spy service) site about how the future of terrorism/intel/warfighting is using ... What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6905#Comment_6905 2007-12-10T19:56:24-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 BrianKellett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=234 I have some insurgent made Juba sniper vids and it is very dramatic and effective. Meanwhile the West has Ogrish. Stuff like terrorists/insurgents being shot to the soundtrack of 'Yakkity-sax' ... I have some insurgent made Juba sniper vids and it is very dramatic and effective.

Meanwhile the West has Ogrish. Stuff like terrorists/insurgents being shot to the soundtrack of 'Yakkity-sax' (The Benny Hill music).

(I don't feel the need to link to the videos - go find them yourself if that sort of thing floats your boat, I can do without it).

But, yes - a good point that information and propaganda may well be the catalyst that finishes us off.

Perhaps two new initials for the GRIN acronym - I for Information and M for Meme.]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6914#Comment_6914 2007-12-10T20:17:28-08:00 2007-12-10T20:30:28-08:00 Gypsy http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=30 Okay, here's something I find a little unnerving. And it's being used right now...An A&E Billboard 'Whispers' a Spooky Message Audible Only in Your Head in Push to Promote Its New 'Paranormal' ... An A&E Billboard 'Whispers' a Spooky Message Audible Only in Your Head in Push to Promote Its New 'Paranormal' Program The technology is called an "Audio Spotlight" and it's being produced by a company called Holosonic.
The Audio Spotlight is a revolutionary new audio technology that creates sound in a narrow beam, just like light. Aim the flat, thin speaker disc to your desired listening area, and provide all of the sound — with none of the noise.

Imagine that, an honest to goodness excuse for those strange voices you hear in your head.

*Quick note- Damn voices are whispering to Ryan Thomas and Warren Ellis, too. This is also posted in Warren Ellis' blog but I didn't know that until five minutes ago.]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=6946#Comment_6946 2007-12-10T21:20:38-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Unsub http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1446 How long till some kid changes the wispers to"burn everything"? What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=7027#Comment_7027 2007-12-11T04:10:58-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Kosmopolit http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346 "Good points, Reynolds and Ben. It might then become a constantly upgraded battle between new gray goo and new nano killers." That would be analogous to the ongoing co-evolution of ...
That would be analogous to the ongoing co-evolution of bacteria and phages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage

The trick is to ensure the killers evolve at the same rate as, or faster than, the goo.

(Of course, this is also analogous to the ongoing battle between anti-virus software writers and black-hat hackers. So far, that's been pretty much a draw. Of course, if the anti-virus guys ever got a definitive advantage they'd all be out of a job, kinda like a predator wiping out its prey.)

The killer-makers are likely to have the same or more resources than the goo-makers and will be able to track the goo outbreaks and learn from them.

One neat trick of phage therapy is that the doctors take blood samples from patients who recover and extract the phages. The next patient who gets treated will get phage cultured from multiple different donors and is more likely to have at least some phages capable of beating the bacterial strain they're infected with.

In other words, the phage are exposed to additional evolutionary pressure compared to the bacteria.

The question is how we duplicate that with nonkillers.

Considering we're probably currently decades away from being able to build a fully autonomous self-replicating robot on any scale, I think we still have time to plan.]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=7046#Comment_7046 2007-12-11T05:45:28-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Gypsy http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=30 @Kosmopolit The trick is to ensure the killers evolve at the same rate as, or faster than, the goo. ...so, if it is possible, what then happens when they run out of goo? In the interest of ...
The trick is to ensure the killers evolve at the same rate as, or faster than, the goo.

...so, if it is possible, what then happens when they run out of goo? In the interest of "job security" would there ever be an end or just a constant evolution?

However, you must keep in mind that, while you're preoccupied with battling gray goo, a genetically nano-enhanced zombie created by the new generation of cyborgs will come out of nowhere, take a bite out of your butt and robotics will assume dominion over the technology race...]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=7049#Comment_7049 2007-12-11T06:14:11-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 erudite_ogre http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1178 Heh, not zombies. These little dickens will do the job These little dickens will do the job]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=7078#Comment_7078 2007-12-11T09:30:00-08:00 2007-12-11T10:57:05-08:00 Harvey http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1410 See, the thing about all this nanorobotic business is that I'm not convinced it's actually going to happen. All the papers I've seen on the whole thing have been largely theoretical and all the ... What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=7082#Comment_7082 2007-12-11T09:43:21-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Gypsy http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=30 @Harvey Medical nanotech, in my opinion, will be based on programmed cells and bacteria, not tiny replicating robots. GULP...it's so easy to lose sight of this particular reality...
Medical nanotech, in my opinion, will be based on programmed cells and bacteria, not tiny replicating robots.

GULP...it's so easy to lose sight of this particular reality...]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=7101#Comment_7101 2007-12-11T11:41:58-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Gypsy http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=30 Cyborg Moths The creation of insects whose flesh grows around computer parts — known from science fiction as cyborgs — has been described as one of the most ambitious robotics projects ever ... Cyborg Moths
The creation of insects whose flesh grows around computer parts — known from science fiction as cyborgs — has been described as one of the most ambitious robotics projects ever conceived by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), the research and development arm of the U.S. Department of Defense.
]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=7117#Comment_7117 2007-12-11T12:41:09-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Necros http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1325 Nanotechnology has some scary implications, but the grey goo scenario, scary as it is isn't necessarily the most frieghtening thing that it could bring with it. Noting of course that this is all ...
What if someone can use nanotech to hack your brain, alter your memories, or turn other human beings into robitic slaves? What about the possibilities for changing ourselves into things that can't even be understood today, monsters, clouds of sentient particles floating in the ocean...at what point do we cease to be human and become something else? Can a political viewpoint become a literal nanovirus, that forces everyone infected to have a certain point of view, how much pain would it take to turn a regular human being into a tool, that could be used by anyone with the right control software? Criminals could theoretically make people commit murders for them, change their DNA or make themselves and/or their victims into whatever they wanted as part of or in order to carry out criminal acts.

Imagine a nanotechnological worm that infects and translates whatever data into the very essence of all who come in contact with it. That is truly frightening...

Thank whatever higher power you want that this stuff is so far future as to be nearly meaningless now, and be glad that the positive applications are almost as numerous as the negative, and probably just as unknowable to us sitting here today.]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=7122#Comment_7122 2007-12-11T13:03:04-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 ARES http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=329 Whatever cures/prevents cancer instantly because I quit smoking well over a year ago and I still miss it. Could be nano or geno I suppose, though I'm assuming just nano for us Already Alive types. ...
]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=7163#Comment_7163 2007-12-11T16:30:13-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Kosmopolit http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346 Here's a funny scenario for y'all: Chemical toxicity tests are typically done on a single chemical in isolation. That means synergistic effects from the reactions between two chemicals or ...
Chemical toxicity tests are typically done on a single chemical in isolation. That means synergistic effects from the reactions between two chemicals or cumulative effects from a family of separate chemicals which affect the same metabolic pathways are being missed.

I forget the chemical involved but there's a chemical which, in high doses, doesn't damage mice directly but does damage female mouse embryos. Specifically it damages their ovaries ans makes them sterile.

Now imagine a synergistic combination of two chemicals which had that effect on humans. Imagine that the chemicals were similar to, say, DDT in that they were extremely stable in the environment and fat-soluble so they accumulated in human cells.

By the time we noticed the problem (which would likely be when the first girls effected hit puberty) the whole world's population would be affected.]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=7307#Comment_7307 2007-12-12T09:39:38-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 Fauxhammer http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=27 Okay, here's something I find a little unnerving. And it's being used right now...An A&E Billboard 'Whispers' a Spooky Message Audible Only in Your Head in Push to Promote Its New 'Paranormal' ... Okay, here's something I find a little unnerving. And it's being used right now...An A&E Billboard 'Whispers' a Spooky Message Audible Only in Your Head in Push to Promote Its New 'Paranormal' Program The technology is called an "Audio Spotlight" and it's being produced by a company called Holosonic.

Ha--a shill from this company came to my home forum, where we also had a topic on this, trying to dispel some of the "gross misunderstandings and crazy myths" surrounding this wondrous bit of tech.

A link, for the interested here]]> What's your favorite renegade technology? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=246&Focus=7483#Comment_7483 2007-12-12T21:04:46-08:00 2013-06-20T04:27:41-07:00 zerodemocracy http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=661 Speaking of renegade tech: http://www.batterblaster.com/ Who ever heard of such a horrible thing!?
http://www.batterblaster.com/

Who ever heard of such a horrible thing!?]]>