Whitechapel - Baby Tax needed to save the world! 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla & Feed Publisher Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6775#Comment_6775 2007-12-10T12:14:00-08:00 2007-12-10T12:14:28-08:00 TacoHugsPHD http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=515 Baby Tax Needed to Save the World This is more of a Mad Economic/Social Science than a physical one but an interesting proposal. I can't imagine it taking off too well in a country w/o a current ... Baby Tax Needed to Save the World

This is more of a Mad Economic/Social Science than a physical one but an interesting proposal. I can't imagine it taking off too well in a country w/o a current Gov birth regulation program. Or how would you enforce it? Garnish wages? Turn your baby over to this guy?]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6785#Comment_6785 2007-12-10T12:28:41-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 ARES http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=329 I like this: http://www.vhemt.org/ Q: What's wrong with babies? Don't you like babies? VHEMT Volunteers love babies as much as anyone else. "Having babies" is not so much the problem ...
http://www.vhemt.org/
Q: What's wrong with babies? Don't you like babies?

VHEMT Volunteers love babies as much as anyone else. "Having babies" is not so much the problem -- having adults is what's causing the problems. The environmental impact of disposable diapers is heavy, but we are adults much longer than we are children.
]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6792#Comment_6792 2007-12-10T12:56:54-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 will_butler http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=892 You know, I don't want children. I have a list of reasons as long as my arm why I don't want children. And I think that a lot of people who have kids are being incredibly irresponsible by doing so. ...
Will]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6795#Comment_6795 2007-12-10T13:09:13-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 muse hick http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=483 i thought it was the problem of the greyhairs at the other end of the population that were stretching the economy and not the babies. in a lot of places birth rates have fallen. all the money pools ... Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6857#Comment_6857 2007-12-10T16:33:47-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 KitsuneCaligari http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=248 The way I heard it, Japan is in a bit of a panic, as young folks aren't replicating as often as they assumed, and the old folks are living longer than most, so Japan is something of a laboratory in ...
Besides, the global warming will do us all in anyways....]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6912#Comment_6912 2007-12-10T20:08:29-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 BrianKellett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=234 i thought it was the problem of the greyhairs at the other end of the population that were stretching the economy and not the babies. But it's easier to say "Don't have babies", than ... i thought it was the problem of the greyhairs at the other end of the population that were stretching the economy and not the babies.

But it's easier to say "Don't have babies", than "Lets kill some old people". Self preservation makes it tricky for one - who over the age of 30 would lobby for 'Carousel'?

(Also old people can be tough bastards - and they fight dirty).]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6923#Comment_6923 2007-12-10T20:40:02-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 eggzoomin http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1442 I once posited the idea of birth licensing, though not particularly to deal with overpopulation. You need a license to drive a car or own a gun, because these are things that require a certain amount ... Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6925#Comment_6925 2007-12-10T20:45:38-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 Vespers http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=554 You were dressed as Mussolini and you expected anyone to listen to you? However, the idea is sound, and one that's been batted around my circle of friends for quite some time. Of course, so has ...
However, the idea is sound, and one that's been batted around my circle of friends for quite some time.

Of course, so has the idea that we could limit population (and make disgusting amounts of money) by setting up a gourmet... uhm... let's call it a baby restaurant. But hey. Both could work.]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6926#Comment_6926 2007-12-10T20:48:17-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 will_butler http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=892 @ eggzoomin: I think the differentiation lies in the fact that procreation is a natural life process; as much so as breathing or dying. Driving cars and owning guns are not. It is not the place of ...
Will]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6929#Comment_6929 2007-12-10T20:58:29-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 eggzoomin http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1442 @Vespers: Heh, no, not actually dressed as Mussolini. I was being flippant. Quite like the long pig idea, too, although possibly just because I'm attracted to the idea of being able to ask for a ...
@will: yep, I fully realise that it's an extraordinarily intrusive thing to do and breaks a variety of inalienable rights. On the other hand, I see a lot of neglected kids - some sickeningly so - and wonder if it might actually have been better if they'd never been born. Personally, I refuse to have children for two reasons: firstly, I don't actually like them and secondly, I believe that kids require a level of care - emotionally, financially and temporally - that I just cannot offer; without it, you're not doing the best possible job as a parent and a child does deserve that.]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6934#Comment_6934 2007-12-10T21:07:54-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 will_butler http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=892 @eggzoomin: We are 100% totally on the same page as far as the reasons for not wanting kids. When I've mentioned to people that I have no desire to ever have children, I've been told that that's ...
With that said, I have a cousin who has seven kids. They had the seventh one because they already had six, and (and this is my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong) there's an enormous tax break when one has a seventh child. This absolutely sickens me. I'm a Libertarian, so I have no desire to see liberties curtailed by a government, but I wish to Christ that people would use some common sense and exercise those same precious liberties responsibly.

Will]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6938#Comment_6938 2007-12-10T21:14:37-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 Unsub http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1446 Owning guns is a natural drive. Every responsible adult should own and no how to use a gun or they are being irresponsible. Allowing a government to have totaol control of yours and everyone's ...
I believe the idea that rather than punishing people for having kids which a lot of people will consider fascist we should reward people for not having kids.
If we gave poor people cash for having their tubes tied/vasectomies they and the kids they already have will have a better life. The people who come out against this
are the catholic church and other organizations that want their populations to grow to gain them more power. The Church already stopped the guy who started Planned parenthood from trying this in Quebec with families where the mom already had more than 5 kids.]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6942#Comment_6942 2007-12-10T21:16:03-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 eggzoomin http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1442 @will: No argument here. I'm completely pro-adoption, to the extent that I wish there were some way to push it over and above the conventional method of acquisition. As an aside re responsibility, ...
As an aside re responsibility, there was a family whose children were at school with me; there were quite a few - probably six-plus - and they were dirt poor and distinctly eccentric; their parents, when asked about their reasons for spawning this brood despite lack of financial ability to cope, said they considered it their duty to repopulate the world with better people. Scary.]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6947#Comment_6947 2007-12-10T21:22:10-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 Unsub http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1446 The lower your IQ the more cash you should get. I like the idea of good things happening to the poor dumb basterds anyway. Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6948#Comment_6948 2007-12-10T21:25:29-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 will_butler http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=892 @Unsub: I'm 100% for the 2nd amendment, even though I realize it to be a largely antiquated relic of a bygone age. And re: your views on rewarding sterilization: since we're on the forum of a comic ...
@eggzoomin: I know what you mean. At my work for Christmas, my unit has adopted a family. I'm totally down with this as opposed to swapping more meaningless shit to clutter up our homes, but the family we've adopted has eight fucking kids. I'm sorry, but at this point in time, one would hope that one would examine one's beliefs and give some deep thought to whether or not you're doing a potential kid a favor by binging him/her into a world in which they're going to jockey for position with seven fucking siblings. Christ.

Will]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6955#Comment_6955 2007-12-10T21:45:27-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 Unsub http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1446 I have not read Concrete but I will definitly check it out. I don't usually go for the quirky indy stuff but the exceptions are usually really good. Where I live nurses are not even allowed to ...
Where I live nurses are not even allowed to mention birth control on the reserve and it is considered unthinkable.
More than half the population up here is under 15 and it is the poor uneducated and completely undisciplined part of the population.
It is a lot more like africa(a lot colder though) than North America. We have a serious TB problem. Families with 13 kids and 5 generations all on welfare is the norm.
It is insane expecting anyone to go from a stone age society to the 21st century and actively prevent any assimilation and not expect chaos.

I am buying a compound with a well and lots of guns.]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6956#Comment_6956 2007-12-10T21:55:35-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 F. David Swallow II http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=815 I completely understand the desire to want breeding licensed, but its simply unpractical. You would have to control weather or not people had sex. an well.... you weren't supposed to be able to ...
an well.... you weren't supposed to be able to have sodomy but people did it anways, so i dont think thats likely.

The real problem is stupid people reproducing. I can't understand why education isn't a suggestion.

On a similar topic I was just wondering how the TV and Radio License work the U.K.?]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6959#Comment_6959 2007-12-10T21:57:27-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 will_butler http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=892 You'll not be disappointed. I've read every (to my knowledge) Concrete story, and I honestly think The Human Dilemma to be the best yet. Just beautiful. And I understand the compound thinking. ...
And I understand the compound thinking. I'm currently building a cabin in the middle of the woods in south Georgia right now. I just want to putter around, write a bit, drink some whiskey, and be left the fuck alone during the coming apocalypse.

Will]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6962#Comment_6962 2007-12-10T22:02:46-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 Unsub http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1446 There is a thing on Youtube about a guy who went and built a cabin in Alaska and stayed there for about 30 years. It is inspiring. Also the guy from Survivorman has some shows up about how he built ... It is inspiring. Also the guy from Survivorman has some shows up about how he built a place in the woods that was
totally self sufficient. wind and solar ,well water etc. One good thing about where I live I found a nice quarter section(160 acres)
with a mobile home and some outbuildings well ,power ges etc on a all season road about 45KMs from town for less than 70 grand.]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6963#Comment_6963 2007-12-10T22:07:29-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 will_butler http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=892 Heheheh, I know you must be speaking of Alone in the Wilderness. I've seen it many times, as my father's an enormous fan. The fact of the matter is that I love people and the ideas they harbor, ...
Will]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6966#Comment_6966 2007-12-10T22:13:03-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 Unsub http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1446 That is the one. I would need broadband of course. Great idea about the cabin! Real estate is the only thing they are not making more of. Except the Dutch but they are weird. Real estate is the only thing they are not making more of.
Except the Dutch but they are weird.]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=6985#Comment_6985 2007-12-10T23:31:15-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 rfrancis http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1494 @Will: Both my girls are adopted. We felt our genes weren't very special (she's got scoliosis, I'm diabetic although I didn't know it then, I suppose, but anyhow) and the children were damn well out ... Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=7396#Comment_7396 2007-12-12T14:28:05-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 Sarpedon http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=113 One good thing about where I live I found a nice quarter section(160 acres) with a mobile home and some outbuildings well ,power ges etc on a all season road about 45KMs from town for less than 70 ... One good thing about where I live I found a nice quarter section(160 acres)
with a mobile home and some outbuildings well ,power ges etc on a all season road about 45KMs from town for less than 70 grand.

I'm currently building a cabin in the middle of the woods in south Georgia right now. I just want to putter around, write a bit, drink some whiskey, and be left the fuck alone during the coming apocalypse.


@unsub and will cabin in the woods off a ways from the world would be great. I'd love to get a piece of land and build myself a cabin on it. Too bad the (American at least) frontier (even in Alaska) is closed.

I'm right with both of you guys on that. as long as I can get the internet up at my cabin in the woods. I figure by the time I have the money (5-10 years at least) they'll have covered everything with broadband-speed cell phone service so it would be a problem.]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=7404#Comment_7404 2007-12-12T15:08:07-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 Cat Vincent http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=447 @F. David Swallow II "I was just wondering how the TV and Radio License work the U.K.?" Badly. Roughly the scam is this - the BBC, as the first body to control these media, is the ... "I was just wondering how the TV and Radio License work the U.K.?"

Badly.

Roughly the scam is this - the BBC, as the first body to control these media, is the licensor. Even though you don't actually need to own a licence to listen to radio legally, you *do* need one for TV - and will be prosecuted for not having one. Vans equipped with TV signal triangulation gear (or, in the tinfoil-hat version, nothing buy an antenna on a rotating board and a bloody long list of possible infractors) can pull up to your door at any time, demand to see your licence and can fine you heavily for not producing proof of same. This £135.50 media tax all goes to the BBC to fund their programmes, even though of course there are many other stations, especially these days... and they don't get a penny.
This was bearable until BBC Enterprises started selling ephemera (all those Doctor Who toys are licenced to them) and the shows (and the DVD sets) to other countries, which raises their revenue a lot and to my mind makes them an actual media company getting unfair amounts of cash from a government-mandated monopoly, its forced user base.
It used to be that BBC showed no adverts - these days, they show an awful lot of them - for their own products of course, but still hawking Life On Mars DVD sets and such.

Occasional promises to allow UK licence-payers added access to all the classic shows they actually paid for in full has been mooted - the original plan of these files (for example shows like Who, Fawlty Towers, Monty Python and many others) to be online in DRM-free form for all has been changed to a DRM-riddled, Microsoft-based netfile player which won't talk to Mac and other Linux boxen.

Details here from Auntie herself:http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/licencefee/]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=7435#Comment_7435 2007-12-12T16:52:44-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 Unsub http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1446 It is rather like having your public health care doctors and hospitals doing plastic surgery for rich foreigners. There has been some bloody good programs (hows the lingo?) from the BBC over the ...
There has been some bloody good programs (hows the lingo?) from the BBC over the years.

I think you will see sat based internet in the next year here in Saskatchewan. Our local crown telecom is excellent and we already have a lot of sat TV and basic cable
because of all the farms etc.]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=7507#Comment_7507 2007-12-12T22:55:28-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 F. David Swallow II http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=815 Not to get off topic, but Red Dwarf, was an awesome show, i have the DVDs, and used to stay up late at night watching it here on IPTV(the iowa branch of PBS) as a kid. Whenever the donation drive hit ...
Anyways, so do you have cable providers, or does it all come from the BBC. I could see paying it if like you said, there were no adverts, but as a subscription, like HBO, no forced to.]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=7601#Comment_7601 2007-12-13T07:25:16-08:00 2007-12-13T07:25:58-08:00 Cat Vincent http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=447 @F. David Swallow II Yes, there are cable and satellite providers - but to actually use a television at all you have to pay the licence fee. Unless you can prove you're legally blind - in which ...
Yes, there are cable and satellite providers - but to actually use a television at all you have to pay the licence fee.
Unless you can prove you're legally blind - in which case the BBC generously cut the licence fee in half! - or you go through a lengthy legal process to show you're never going to connect your set to any feed other than VCR, DVD or internet. Yeah, I know that's crazy.]]> Baby Tax needed to save the world! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=254&Focus=7839#Comment_7839 2007-12-13T21:58:45-08:00 2013-05-25T01:38:34-07:00 F. David Swallow II http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=815 wow, i was just going to ask about only using a tv for DVD, or video games. I guess i will never live in the UK.
I guess i will never live in the UK.]]>