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    My favourite Orson Welles film (the original, brain-damaged trailer):

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      CommentAuthorFutty
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
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    Just watched this a few months back. I had read a lot about it via Robert Anton Wilson (my OTHER favorite writer). A wonderful bit of post-modernism. Criterion does an excellent job (as usual) with their DVD release.
    • CommentAuthorjohnplatt
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
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    Wow, I've never seen that trailer. How wild and bizarre! (F for Fake is one of my favorites, too.)

    I wonder what ever happened to Oja Kodar, and if she still has the footage for Welles's last few unfinished movies tucked away.

    John
    • CommentAuthorchezlyons
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
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    Hi Warren,

    Have you seen One Man Band, which is bundled with the Criterion release of F for Fake? It's a wonderful look at Orson's unfinished film projects, artwork, and a great tribute to the man himself.
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    It was my understanding that Kojar has almost all of it.
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    Chezlyons: Yeah, seen it, own it.
    • CommentAuthorchezlyons
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
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    Awesome. I recently saw The Stranger and adored that as well. It's so unfortunate Welles couldn't get anything done. That said, I hear The Other Side of the Wind is supposed to get some kind of release soonish.

    Warren, aren't you working on something based around Orson Welles? My friend made mention of it but was vague.
    • CommentAuthorphilnelson
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
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    I really love that trailer. I imagine Welles showing this thing to people, and watching their faces go "what the hell is going on" and enjoying it very much.
    • CommentAuthorReinhart
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
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    We've argued about this in the past, but I still feel the movie is dated. Most of the time I don't feel that extra information really "spoils" the plot for the audience, but perhaps F for Fake is a strong example where it can. My suggestion for people who want to enjoy the movie for the first time is to mask all your clocks and don't do any research into the subject before hand.

    Or maybe Wilson got my expectations too high . . . I'm not big fan of Welles in the first place.
    • CommentAuthorbiglig
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
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    Er... didn't you just give a massive spoiler?

    Anyhow, my own favorite Welles movie is Touch of Evil, but I must admit to a terrible affection for Mr Arkadin, which is still recognizable as the work of a great artist even though it appears to have cost around 20p to make.
    • CommentAuthorWidgett
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
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    Futty: I was introduced to it via RAW as well and love his bit on that and also on the opening shot of TOUCH OF EVIL. I really do need to watch this again. Like you, after reading about (which was years ago), finally caught it via the Criterion edition and it did not disappoint.
    • CommentAuthorStreebo
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2007 edited
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    I love Welles' version of The Trial. It's like a surreal nightmare. And for the record, Oja Kodar was smoking hot! I hope when I'm a fat old bastard that I am lucky enough to have a nice young lass like her to keep me company.

    edited for spelling. grr.
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      CommentAuthorConojito
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2007
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    I happened across Mel Brook's History of the World Part 1 last night. Typical Brookian horseplay - but featuring an Orson Welles voiceover! Exceedingly disconcerting. I knew that in the last years of his life he'd do anything he was given - adverts for peas and Paul Masson wine, the voice of the killer planet in the first Transformers movie - but this was new to me.
    • CommentAuthorJon M
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2007
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    I've been drinking, and all I see are that damn monkey, that filthy monkey, if you will, spastically jittering and Orsen Welles' godlike voice talking about a tiger. Do you not like us? We all try so hard to please you.
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    Stumbled across this on Turner Classic Movies some months ago. Great fun, especially the bits where Welles is just sitting with his friends and drinking. He feels...in his element. Heh.
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    Those are my favourite bits.
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      CommentAuthorRogan
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2007
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    It really is a brilliant film, we had a course on the concepts of originality and fakery in the world of art, and this was shown during one of the classes... And his appearances in it are quintessential Welles - a larger than life figure, carefullt weaving the movie in front of our very eyes, with his theatrical tricks and grandiose speeches, so we don't notice the sleight-of-hand that he has in store for us in the final part of the film... If i remember correctly, this movie flopped, mostly becuse noone knew what to make of it. But a mockumentary with Picaso, Elmyr, Hughesand Oja reallu has it all...

    (cheers for the original trailer, Warren, the prof. in our class played it for us before the film, but i haven't been able to find it since, not that i was looking very hard, though.)

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