2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla & Feed Publisher http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=7978#Comment_7978 2007-12-14T14:18:54-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 pKone http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1142

The recent discussion of the heavy handed rule of Putin has gotten me thinking about this particular comic released by DC. I HATE the Superman series, but I LOVED this work. I never liked ...

The recent discussion of the heavy handed rule of Putin has gotten me thinking about this particular comic released by DC.

I HATE the Superman series, but I LOVED this work. I never liked Superman because I always felt he was a one-dimensional hero:

You want to take over the world? You better have Kryptonite or your F'ed.

This comic brought a lot of diffenrent perspectives to the idea of a Super Man and made me really wonder whether to cheer for the good guys or the bad guys...and really wonder which was which!

Anyone else pick this baby up?
I'd love your opinions on it.]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=7986#Comment_7986 2007-12-14T14:42:44-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 joe.distort http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1173

my favorite superman story ever. in phoenix there is an awesome hardcore band named after it, too.

http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=7992#Comment_7992 2007-12-14T15:06:38-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Randy74 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1273

I think its the best comic Millar has written, although i enjoyed his co-op writing with Morrison on Aztek and Skrull Kill Krew..which i think he wrote dialogue in? Wanted was really good too not ...

Wanted was really good too not too heady and with a predictable but entertaining twist, the movie sounds and looks horrible from the teasers and trailer thast up.]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=7998#Comment_7998 2007-12-14T15:11:49-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 pKone http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1142

It's one of the sad truths to life: good comics get turned into bad movies : ( Casualties: League of Extrodianary Gentlemen V for Vendetta From Hell Watchmen (soon, poor Alan Moore) please ...

Casualties:
League of Extrodianary Gentlemen
V for Vendetta
From Hell
Watchmen (soon, poor Alan Moore)

please add to this list as you feel...]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=7999#Comment_7999 2007-12-14T15:12:35-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Elohim http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1014

Red Son is definitely one of my favourite, if not my definite favourite Superman story. Come to think of it, I think it must be my favourite, because I can't really remember any other Superman ...

Come to think of it, I think it must be my favourite, because I can't really remember any other Superman stories...]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8000#Comment_8000 2007-12-14T15:20:44-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Unsub http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1446

I loved Wanted and have the poster as my avatar on a number of sites. The fact the premise was a nasty joke played on him by his older brother was perfect. Most of the emo vegetarians could do with ...

Most of the emo vegetarians could do with spending a couple shifts in a slaughterhouse to give them a bit of perspective. I really liked Red Son as well.
I am a huge fan of the soviet artwork and giant 60 foot tall statues of the common worker. We are just now getting enough perspective on the cold war to realize that the Soviets were more scared of us than we were of them. The great premise was let down a bit by the story though.

Is there really anything more boring than a hero who can beat anyone without even trying?

I just realized that Wanted and the Boys are very similar and if you like one you will probably like the other.

I thought some of you might like to see some real soviet realism. Here is Stalin as an organizer.
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"Is there really anything more boring than a hero who can beat anyone without even trying?" That is exactly why I did not like Superman comics! I like the fact that in Red Son's world ...

That is exactly why I did not like Superman comics! I like the fact that in Red Son's world Lex is the only hope for democracy! And that it takes his mind to even pose a threat to Superman...oh and I loved the Soviet Batman!!!
Oh, and I am going to have to check out both Wanted and Boys]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8004#Comment_8004 2007-12-14T15:33:01-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Randy74 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1273

I thouroughly enjoyed From Hell as a film, condensed and mutated from the books as it was...it kept intact the jist of what one could make out from the books.

http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8005#Comment_8005 2007-12-14T15:35:04-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 joe.distort http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1173

WANTED is amazing, im kinda meh on the boys. and soviet batman is such a great character. i dont know how everyone feels about the countdown tie -ins ( most of them i think are just horrible), ...

and soviet batman is such a great character. i dont know how everyone feels about the countdown tie -ins ( most of them i think are just horrible), but the red son one that came out wednesday is actually pretty good. and the art by travel foreman is stunning!]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8008#Comment_8008 2007-12-14T15:38:48-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 pKone http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1142

"I thouroughly enjoyed From Hell as a film, condensed and mutated from the books as it was...it kept intact the jist of what one could make out from the books." All respect given to that ...

All respect given to that statement. I did enjoy the movie when I watched it. I only I considered it a casualty after I read the GN. I am willing to withdraw it from the list : )

Not the you were waiting on my permision, lol!]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8012#Comment_8012 2007-12-14T15:49:14-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Unsub http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1446

I really liked From Hell the movie as well. If you have any doubts just compare it to the movie version of League of Extraordinary gentlemen. I am worried that the Watchmen movie will be more like ...

I am worried that the Watchmen movie will be more like LoEG than From Hell.

I have an unopened issue of the Boys 13 here in front of me so I will see you all in about a half hour. Nothing from Warren this week but some Willingham ,Bendis and a great author who does not get enough respect Peter David.]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8021#Comment_8021 2007-12-14T16:15:02-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Necros http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1325

Red Son is the only Superman story I have really read as an adult. Loved it completely as I am also very interested in propoganda art and other such things.... On that note, did anyone actually ...

On that note, did anyone actually read the countdown Red Son tie-in? It looked terrible, so I avoided it completely.]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8026#Comment_8026 2007-12-14T16:23:56-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 joe.distort http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1173

see above comment from me. it was ok, def better than most countdown stuff. you can decide if that makes it worth checking out.

http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8031#Comment_8031 2007-12-14T16:31:54-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Necros http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1325

@joe.distort Thanks, sorry I missed it.....doh

http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8047#Comment_8047 2007-12-14T17:43:33-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Red Scharlach http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=212

I dislike Superman as much as the next person, for most of the reasons stated above, but he's done extraordinarily well in All-Star Superman. And there are good comic book movies! Consider ...

All-Star Superman.

And there are good comic book movies! Consider Hellboy, The Crow, Blueberry, Persepolis, A History of Violence, Immortel, Batman Begins, Ichi the Killer or even Oldboy, and I know I'm forgetting many others.

V for Vendetta is still the worst abortion of the decade, that said.]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8070#Comment_8070 2007-12-14T22:12:42-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 CDoring http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=493

If you enjoyed the take on Superman in Red Son, you will probably like Secret Identity a lot too. I heartily recommend it. Basically, kid living in real world Kansas named Clark Kent. Ridiculed ...

Red Son, you will probably like Secret Identity a lot too. I heartily recommend it.

Basically, kid living in real world Kansas named Clark Kent. Ridiculed mercilessly. Wakes up one night with "the powers." The Book tells the story of his life. Written by Kurt Busiek, art by Stuart Immonen.

Great Stuff.]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8071#Comment_8071 2007-12-14T22:32:21-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 F. David Swallow II http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=815

I hate the character of superman, easily the worst character ever. I'm sure you dont need me to go into reasons. That said, i really want to read this as I love Millar, and the concept of a commie ...

That said, i really want to read this as I love Millar, and the concept of a commie superman. I actually downloaded this at one time but never got around to read them.

Also, i must say that, i enjoyed the movie From Hell. I never read the comic, and i am a Mason, so I'm sure I'm out of the ordinary on that one.]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8072#Comment_8072 2007-12-14T22:40:01-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Mark R http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=198

In general I am not a Superman fan. This thread has me intrigued though, I might have to check this one out.

http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8076#Comment_8076 2007-12-14T23:02:53-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 MagicSword! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1309

Fun Red Son trivia, the ending (no spoilers) was, apparently, Grant Morrison's idea. "The best Superman idea I ever had, I gave to Mark Millar for the conclusion of Red Son, so I've been ...

"The best Superman idea I ever had, I gave to Mark Millar for the conclusion of Red Son, so I've been forced to try even harder to do something even better here. "
(re: writing All-Star Superman, from this interview)

Red Son is a great, fun book. I bought it as an Xmas present for a Supes fan who hadn't read it, and he claimed that he missed out on saying goodbye to his extended family who were staying because he couldn't put it down.

I couldn't honestly say that Mark Millar is a truly great writer, but I've enjoyed the hell out of plenty of his work like Wanted, Chosen and The Ultimates. Next year's Kick Ass looks fun too. And Morrison's All-Star Superman is really awesome.]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8101#Comment_8101 2007-12-15T05:09:31-08:00 2007-12-15T05:10:57-08:00 helloMuller http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=560

I actually like the From Hell and V for Vendetta movies. As stand alone movies that is. As an adaptation From Hell doesn't have a leg to stand on, but its a good looking entertaining film. I think ...

Based on his Dawn of the dead remake and 300 I have a feeling Zack Snyder could do Watchmen justice...

Edit: Sorry I completely derailed the tread. To go back on topic: Yes, Red Son is one of my favourite Superman stories. Is it just me, or have some of the 'coolest' DC stories come from Elseworlds books in recent years?]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8104#Comment_8104 2007-12-15T06:24:01-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Red Scharlach http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=212

MagicSword!: That's interesting! Also explains why the idea comes out of left-field in the ending (I didn't like the ending of Red Son). I'd imagine Morrison would do it better. Honestly though, ...

Red Son). I'd imagine Morrison would do it better.

Honestly though, and I know everyone's saying it, but give All-Star Superman a chance. At first, I hated The Punisher, but Ennis has made him the most fascinating character Marvel publishes these days (MAX version, of course). It can happen. It all depends on approach. Morrison's method of making the entire run come off as The Trials of Superman or the like while mixing up ideas from Golden to modern age really does pay-off. Approach it as if it was a science-fiction story, and you'll see just how entertaining it can be when the Man of Steel realises he's so powerful he can afford to be the calmest cherub on the face of the Earth. And that makes all the difference.]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8108#Comment_8108 2007-12-15T07:34:41-08:00 2007-12-16T06:55:33-08:00 immaterial http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=870

Interesting stuff about Red Son -- I'm going to check it out. But I can't let positive talk about the From Hell movie pass unchallenged. You guys aren't remembering that film clearly. What in this ...

What in this world could be wankier than Johnny Depp soulfully indulging in absinthe? Only this:

Robbie 'Cracker' Coltrane saying, "Good night, sweet prince," when absinthe poseur boy kicks the bucket. Oh, Robbie, no amount of money is worth ALL your dignity. The only other ending to a film that comes even marginally close to being as pathetic is Brad Pitt's bear wrestle in Legends Of The Fall, though at least the bear scene has the added benefit of being perhaps the most brilliant bit of comedy in any film made in the past half century.



Am I the only person alive who wants to see Johnny Depp surgically conjoined to Nicholas Cage and fired into space?]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8112#Comment_8112 2007-12-15T08:08:13-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Ted http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=260

If you enjoyed the take on Superman in Red Son, you will probably like Secret Identity a lot too. I heartily recommend it. Seconded. Between them they comprise the two greatest efforts to ...

If you enjoyed the take on Superman in Red Son, you will probably like Secret Identity a lot too. I heartily recommend it.

Seconded. Between them they comprise the two greatest efforts to explore the very nature and character of Superman by putting him in a situation totally outside of, and apart from, his usual fare of megalomaniacal aliens and super-scientists.

Both Red Son and Secret Identity use the change in scenario almost exclusively to explore some aspect of Superman, bringing otherwise unused (and potentially more interesting) parts of his character to the fore. In Red Son, it was his desire to give humankind a completely pain-free existence, at the cost of all else; in Secret Identity, Busiek toyed with the notion of the psychological isolation you would inevitably feel as a result of being a god made flesh.

Both are highly recommended.]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8260#Comment_8260 2007-12-16T00:43:50-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Necros http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1325

I will have to get ahold of Secret Identity, anything that makes Superman at all interesting is worth reading, if only to see how the author managed it. One other interesting factor in Red Son is ...

One other interesting factor in Red Son is how all the other characters are re-imagined to fit into the new world that was created by the twist. Oh, and don't forget the great artwork.]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8264#Comment_8264 2007-12-16T02:34:46-08:00 2007-12-16T02:35:32-08:00 Paul Duffield http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6

Have to say, I really enjoyed the V for Vendetta movie, then read the graphic novel and found it comparatively cluttered and characterless. Every piece of dialogue sounded like it was from the same ...

http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8280#Comment_8280 2007-12-16T07:28:41-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Red Scharlach http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=212

Do you mean in the movie or in the book? Because the movie is just about the most insulting thing the Wachowskis are responsible for - and that's saying something - and one of the worst and most ...

Because the movie is just about the most insulting thing the Wachowskis are responsible for - and that's saying something - and one of the worst and most cynical abuses of a franchise in ages. It's basically a short-sighted piece of poorly short propaganda which makes me ashamed to be considered a liberal. It's that bad.]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8285#Comment_8285 2007-12-16T07:43:24-08:00 2007-12-16T07:51:30-08:00 screaming meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1219

the V for Vendetta movie made some horrific changes and glaring omissions. The V-as-Boss/Humanity-as-employee is a remarkable bit writing conspicious due to it's absence.

http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8295#Comment_8295 2007-12-16T08:29:28-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 pKone http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1142

The only thing the movie did right was the rebirth scene with Natalie Portman and her shaved head. With the rain it was very true to the GN

http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8299#Comment_8299 2007-12-16T08:58:25-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Red Scharlach http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=212

And even then, Portman somehow had shaved armpits and not a blemish on her skin. And people still went on and on about how V was the good guy.

And people still went on and on about how V was the good guy.]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=8304#Comment_8304 2007-12-16T09:34:35-08:00 2007-12-16T09:36:18-08:00 Ariana http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1

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I really don't see how you came to that conclusion.

http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=304&Focus=10108#Comment_10108 2007-12-29T17:33:01-08:00 2013-06-18T20:21:10-07:00 Z http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=184

V for Vendetta was a 'reimagining' (to use a disgusting industry term). It wasn't supposed to be the comic page-for-page, and it brought my non-comics friends to a very faithfully reintroduced ...

From Hell at least had atmosphere and an interesting cast. I felt it was as true to the comic as Kubrick's film was to The Shining.

The Crow can suck off a cow for all I care. Fucking stupid movie. Dead tired of it. Over-exposed, under-acted, sequel-ed into the darkest pits of Made-It-For-The-Money Hell. Given the choice between The Crow, or Batman & Robin on mute, I'd have to choose the latter (god help me). At least it had Uma Thurman in latex.

-Z]]>