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      CommentAuthorpKone
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2007
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    The recent discussion of the heavy handed rule of Putin has gotten me thinking about this particular comic released by DC.

    I HATE the Superman series, but I LOVED this work. I never liked Superman because I always felt he was a one-dimensional hero:

    You want to take over the world? You better have Kryptonite or your F'ed.

    This comic brought a lot of diffenrent perspectives to the idea of a Super Man and made me really wonder whether to cheer for the good guys or the bad guys...and really wonder which was which!

    Anyone else pick this baby up?
    I'd love your opinions on it.
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    my favorite superman story ever. in phoenix there is an awesome hardcore band named after it, too.
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      CommentAuthorRandy74
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2007
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    I think its the best comic Millar has written, although i enjoyed his co-op writing with Morrison on Aztek and Skrull Kill Krew..which i think he wrote dialogue in?

    Wanted was really good too not too heady and with a predictable but entertaining twist, the movie sounds and looks horrible from the teasers and trailer thast up.
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      CommentAuthorpKone
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2007
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    It's one of the sad truths to life: good comics get turned into bad movies : (

    Casualties:
    League of Extrodianary Gentlemen
    V for Vendetta
    From Hell
    Watchmen (soon, poor Alan Moore)

    please add to this list as you feel...
    • CommentAuthorElohim
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2007
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    Red Son is definitely one of my favourite, if not my definite favourite Superman story.

    Come to think of it, I think it must be my favourite, because I can't really remember any other Superman stories...
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      CommentAuthorUnsub
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2007
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    I loved Wanted and have the poster as my avatar on a number of sites. The fact the premise was a nasty joke played on him by his older brother was perfect.
    Most of the emo vegetarians could do with spending a couple shifts in a slaughterhouse to give them a bit of perspective. I really liked Red Son as well.
    I am a huge fan of the soviet artwork and giant 60 foot tall statues of the common worker. We are just now getting enough perspective on the cold war to realize that the Soviets were more scared of us than we were of them. The great premise was let down a bit by the story though.

    Is there really anything more boring than a hero who can beat anyone without even trying?

    I just realized that Wanted and the Boys are very similar and if you like one you will probably like the other.

    I thought some of you might like to see some real soviet realism. Here is Stalin as an organizer.
    <img src="<a href="http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5567772" target="_blank"><img src="http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/14904360025.jpg" alt="Click to enlarge">></" alt="" />
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      CommentAuthorpKone
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2007 edited
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    "Is there really anything more boring than a hero who can beat anyone without even trying?"

    That is exactly why I did not like Superman comics! I like the fact that in Red Son's world Lex is the only hope for democracy! And that it takes his mind to even pose a threat to Superman...oh and I loved the Soviet Batman!!!
    Oh, and I am going to have to check out both Wanted and Boys
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      CommentAuthorRandy74
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2007
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    I thouroughly enjoyed From Hell as a film, condensed and mutated from the books as it was...it kept intact the jist of what one could make out from the books.
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    WANTED is amazing, im kinda meh on the boys.

    and soviet batman is such a great character. i dont know how everyone feels about the countdown tie -ins ( most of them i think are just horrible), but the red son one that came out wednesday is actually pretty good. and the art by travel foreman is stunning!
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      CommentAuthorpKone
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2007
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    "I thouroughly enjoyed From Hell as a film, condensed and mutated from the books as it was...it kept intact the jist of what one could make out from the books."

    All respect given to that statement. I did enjoy the movie when I watched it. I only I considered it a casualty after I read the GN. I am willing to withdraw it from the list : )

    Not the you were waiting on my permision, lol!
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      CommentAuthorUnsub
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2007
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    I really liked From Hell the movie as well. If you have any doubts just compare it to the movie version of League of Extraordinary gentlemen.

    I am worried that the Watchmen movie will be more like LoEG than From Hell.

    I have an unopened issue of the Boys 13 here in front of me so I will see you all in about a half hour. Nothing from Warren this week but some Willingham ,Bendis and a great author who does not get enough respect Peter David.
    • CommentAuthorNecros
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2007
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    Red Son is the only Superman story I have really read as an adult. Loved it completely as I am also very interested in propoganda art and other such things....

    On that note, did anyone actually read the countdown Red Son tie-in? It looked terrible, so I avoided it completely.
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    see above comment from me. it was ok, def better than most countdown stuff. you can decide if that makes it worth checking out.
    • CommentAuthorNecros
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2007
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    @joe.distort Thanks, sorry I missed it.....doh
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    I dislike Superman as much as the next person, for most of the reasons stated above, but he's done extraordinarily well in <em>All-Star Superman</em>.

    And there are good comic book movies! Consider <em>Hellboy</em>, <em>The Crow</em>, <em>Blueberry</em>, <em>Persepolis</em>, <em>A History of Violence</em>, <em>Immortel</em>, <em>Batman Begins</em>, <em>Ichi the Killer</em> or even <em>Oldboy</em>, and I know I'm forgetting many others.

    <em>V for Vendetta</em> is still the worst abortion of the decade, that said.
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      CommentAuthorCDoring
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2007
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    If you enjoyed the take on Superman in Red Son, you will probably like Secret Identity a lot too. I heartily recommend it.

    Basically, kid living in real world Kansas named Clark Kent. Ridiculed mercilessly. Wakes up one night with "the powers." The Book tells the story of his life. Written by Kurt Busiek, art by Stuart Immonen.

    Great Stuff.
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    I hate the character of superman, easily the worst character ever. I'm sure you dont need me to go into reasons.

    That said, i really want to read this as I love Millar, and the concept of a commie superman. I actually downloaded this at one time but never got around to read them.

    Also, i must say that, i enjoyed the movie From Hell. I never read the comic, and i am a Mason, so I'm sure I'm out of the ordinary on that one.
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      CommentAuthorMark R
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2007
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    In general I am not a Superman fan. This thread has me intrigued though, I might have to check this one out.
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    Fun Red Son trivia, the ending (no spoilers) was, apparently, Grant Morrison's idea.

    "The best Superman idea I ever had, I gave to Mark Millar for the conclusion of Red Son, so I've been forced to try even harder to do something even better here. "
    (re: writing All-Star Superman, from this interview)

    Red Son is a great, fun book. I bought it as an Xmas present for a Supes fan who hadn't read it, and he claimed that he missed out on saying goodbye to his extended family who were staying because he couldn't put it down.

    I couldn't honestly say that Mark Millar is a truly great writer, but I've enjoyed the hell out of plenty of his work like Wanted, Chosen and The Ultimates. Next year's Kick Ass looks fun too. And Morrison's All-Star Superman is really awesome.
    • CommentAuthorhelloMuller
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2007 edited
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    I actually like the From Hell and V for Vendetta movies. As stand alone movies that is. As an adaptation From Hell doesn't have a leg to stand on, but its a good looking entertaining film. I think the transition from comic to screen with V is a bit better - still not 100%, but not a bad movie at all.

    Based on his Dawn of the dead remake and 300 I have a feeling Zack Snyder could do Watchmen justice...

    Edit: Sorry I completely derailed the tread. To go back on topic: Yes, Red Son is one of my favourite Superman stories. Is it just me, or have some of the 'coolest' DC stories come from Elseworlds books in recent years?