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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    MagicSword!: That's interesting! Also explains why the idea comes out of left-field in the ending (I didn't like the ending of <em>Red Son</em>). I'd imagine Morrison would do it better.

    Honestly though, and I know everyone's saying it, but give <em>All-Star Superman</em> a chance. At first, I hated The Punisher, but Ennis has made him the most fascinating character Marvel publishes these days (MAX version, of course). It can happen. It all depends on approach. Morrison's method of making the entire run come off as The Trials of Superman or the like while mixing up ideas from Golden to modern age really does pay-off. Approach it as if it was a science-fiction story, and you'll see just how entertaining it can be when the Man of Steel realises he's so powerful he can afford to be the calmest cherub on the face of the Earth. And that makes all the difference.
    • CommentAuthorimmaterial
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2007 edited
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    Interesting stuff about Red Son -- I'm going to check it out. But I can't let positive talk about the From Hell movie pass unchallenged. You guys aren't remembering that film clearly.

    What in this world could be wankier than Johnny Depp soulfully indulging in absinthe? Only this:

    Robbie 'Cracker' Coltrane saying, "Good night, sweet prince," when absinthe poseur boy kicks the bucket. Oh, Robbie, no amount of money is worth ALL your dignity. The only other ending to a film that comes even marginally close to being as pathetic is Brad Pitt's bear wrestle in Legends Of The Fall, though at least the bear scene has the added benefit of being perhaps the most brilliant bit of comedy in any film made in the past half century.



    Am I the only person alive who wants to see Johnny Depp surgically conjoined to Nicholas Cage and fired into space?
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      CommentAuthorTed
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2007
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    If you enjoyed the take on Superman in Red Son, you will probably like Secret Identity a lot too. I heartily recommend it.


    Seconded. Between them they comprise the two greatest efforts to explore the very nature and character of Superman by putting him in a situation totally outside of, and apart from, his usual fare of megalomaniacal aliens and super-scientists.

    Both Red Son and Secret Identity use the change in scenario almost exclusively to explore some aspect of Superman, bringing otherwise unused (and potentially more interesting) parts of his character to the fore. In Red Son, it was his desire to give humankind a completely pain-free existence, at the cost of all else; in Secret Identity, Busiek toyed with the notion of the psychological isolation you would inevitably feel as a result of being a god made flesh.

    Both are highly recommended.
    • CommentAuthorNecros
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2007
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    I will have to get ahold of Secret Identity, anything that makes Superman at all interesting is worth reading, if only to see how the author managed it.

    One other interesting factor in Red Son is how all the other characters are re-imagined to fit into the new world that was created by the twist. Oh, and don't forget the great artwork.
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    Have to say, I really enjoyed the V for Vendetta movie, then read the graphic novel and found it comparatively cluttered and characterless. Every piece of dialogue sounded like it was from the same character (or, I guess the autor) putting on a different voice. I think I might check out Red Son. It sounds really interesting,
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    Do you mean in the movie or in the book?

    Because the movie is just about the most insulting thing the Wachowskis are responsible for - and that's saying something - and one of the worst and most cynical abuses of a franchise in ages. It's basically a short-sighted piece of poorly short propaganda which makes me ashamed to be considered a liberal. It's that bad.
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    the V for Vendetta movie made some horrific changes and glaring omissions. The V-as-Boss/Humanity-as-employee is a remarkable bit writing conspicious due to it's absence.
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      CommentAuthorpKone
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2007
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    The only thing the movie did right was the rebirth scene with Natalie Portman and her shaved head. With the rain it was very true to the GN
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    And even then, Portman somehow had shaved armpits and not a blemish on her skin.

    And people still went on and on about how V was the good guy.
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      CommentAuthorAriana
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2007 edited
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    I really don't see how you came to that conclusion.
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      CommentAuthorZ
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2007
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    V for Vendetta was a 'reimagining' (to use a disgusting industry term). It wasn't supposed to be the comic page-for-page, and it brought my non-comics friends to a very faithfully reintroduced character.

    From Hell at least had atmosphere and an interesting cast. I felt it was as true to the comic as Kubrick's film was to The Shining.

    The Crow can suck off a cow for all I care. Fucking stupid movie. Dead tired of it. Over-exposed, under-acted, sequel-ed into the darkest pits of Made-It-For-The-Money Hell. Given the choice between The Crow, or Batman & Robin on mute, I'd have to choose the latter (god help me). At least it had Uma Thurman in latex.

    -Z