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      CommentAuthorjoe.distort
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2008 edited
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    hello again friends, im a little curious about your opinions on this (and i know there are some journos on here):

    im about to apply for a music editor postion with my local alternative weekly paper. the writing sample portion of this doesnt worry me, ive gotten a few old articles together to send and i am typing some new, more current ones to include. my professional and supervisory/work delegation experience is also rock solid from the last decade of the field i am already in. my concern is this: how do i convey the experience i have in 10+ years of immersion in the various scenes around town, familiarity with shows, promoters, touring bands etc and whats happening around town without sounding like a smug jackass? im having a hard time finding ways to professionally say "uhhhhh, im good for this job because i know whats going on in my city really well?"

    i honestly dont even know what kind of advice im looking for, but i figured if there was anywhere i could run this by people and get intelligent responses, it would be here.
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      CommentAuthorallana
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2008
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    i could barely suck my nerve up to apply for a music INTERNSHIP position at the local weekly. tackling music editor, without similar music editor experience, would be so far beyond my comprehension.....

    not to bring you down.

    if you do, in fact, know a lot of people around town, why not slip them in casually in your references section? if they flip through and go "oh shit, major promoter! oh shit, major club-owner! oh shit, that's our old music editor!" ... well, yeah. that could work.

    i think this is where the difference between cynically lurking and actively participating comes in. if you're just the dude that everyone sees at all the shows, then you don't stand much of a chance. but if you've had a hand in booking or promoting or critiquing for those 10+ years, then you're gold.
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    im kind of in the middle, to be honest. this is also helpful advice- i was wondering if i was getting in ridiculously over my head, and i honestly dont think i am, but hey, im wrong about shit all the time. plus, its not the HEAD music editor position- i wouldnt apply for that, because i really am not qualified.
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    im having a hard time finding ways to professionally say

    Stop trying to be professional. Some things need to be said plainly. Otherwise you’ll sound like you’re full of shit. Be honest and write "I’m qualified because I’ve spend a couple nights a week listening to local bands in bars. I know everybody in the scene and they know me."
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      CommentAuthorrickiep00h
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2008
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    I agree with Puckett. A friend of mine has his resume online and it says that he likes ice cream. And he's got a good job and is well-respected in the mid-level journalism community. (ie, web journalists, bloggers, and alt weekly people). He's probably the smartest guy I know, and being upfront and as plainspoken as possible when necessary has a lot to do with that.
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    that seems about right- isnt one of the reasons i want to get into this field to escape bullshit? i think thats the answer i was really needing, but just wasnt seeing. thanks!
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    It's an alternative weekly mag looking for a music editor. They WANT a smug jackass.

    [glib] Just tell them you could never review an album without first hearing it on vinyl and they'll melt. [/glib]
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    haha, that sounds like me anyway....
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    I think James Puckett pretty much has it - if they're recruiting for a music editor, they want someone who knows about the scene, hence need someone who can confidently articulate that they know about the scene, and the capacity to get to know it better... if you do know about it, and can talk naturally about it it's not bullshit to say so.
    • CommentAuthorWakefield
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2008 edited
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    Isn't the cover letter where you're supposed to let your personality shine?

    For me, a resume is simply a place to bulletpoint work history. Quick and easy. And seeing shows in bars ain't work history.

    So if you want your prospective employer to know you have 10 years experience and an uncanny familiarity in a certain field, why not put it in the cover letter?

    btw, you're selling yourself, so exuding confidence is a good thing.
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    technically the cover letter is where this is all going.

    and involvment in a music scene is a hell of a lot more complex than "seeing shows in bars". im not trying to be snarky- i actually appreciate each one of these opinions. i do think that over the course of the day today i have my approach pretty well nailed, cover letter, resume, references, work samples/ past published work will be in the can by tomorrow. wish me luck...
    • CommentAuthorWakefield
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2008
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    Luck!
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      CommentAuthorExploder
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2008
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    You might want to go the route of the smug asshole. My roommate started a Denver scene mag and advertised locally for positions in the writing staff. I responded with a joke from what must have been the biggest prick in the world and they (the two people who split the EIC duties) were incredibly excited they'd received such a response. It was pretty much along the lines of 'I'm so much better than you are that not hiring me will make your magazine suck.' When I informed the editors of the ruse, they were pissed. That guy was about to get hired to head up a section. This is a professional magazine too - not some fly-by-night zine. They're now in the business mostly of throwing parties and fashion shows and what-have-you, but it all spawns from the mag.

    Just be aware, snobbery may be what you're applying for.
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    how do i convey the experience i have in 10+ years of immersion in the various scenes around town, familiarity with shows, promoters, touring bands etc and whats happening around town without sounding like a smug jackass?

    If you're really worried about colouring it with smugness -- just write a list.
    • CommentAuthorAkiramich
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2008
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    Whatever you put in your resume you might want to check out this http://www.lifeclever.com/give-your-resume-a-face-lift/ about sprucing up the design of your resume. Ive had several people do this and they have all gotten very positive responses.
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      CommentAuthormcgill921
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2008
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    you could always put in the most well known promoters as a reference
    • CommentAuthorheresybob
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2008
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    Talk up your drive to meet and interview the movers and shakers rather than the movers and shakers you know. It's not about who you know, it's about how you got to know them.

    Make sense?