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    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008

    Very interesting. I wonder if the Daily Mail and Express will be all over this one?
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
    I wonder if there is an individual who is working personally with the UK Border Agency? Do they know the name and face of someone from Anonymous, or are they conveying their information in some sneaky way? Credibility vs. Anonymity, right?
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    Presumably they simply left an anonymous tip, ba dum tshh.
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
    you know usually 4chan goes through very breif fads but it seems like this holy war is here to stay.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
    Several members of Anonymous have had their identities compromised and have been subject to 'Fair Game' by the church of scientology.

    In one case, a protester from Plymouth who suffers from an as-yet undiagnosed medical condition that is very likely Multiple Sclerosis, combined with other symptoms, who used a mobility scooter to get around, who was fairly identifiable, had a scientologist deliberately and repeatedly stand in front of his scooter. He tried to avoid her, but ended up running over her foot, so she pressed assault charges.

    Now, because of this guys condition, he used cannabis to relieve the pain and was also a medical cannabis advocate - which the CoS must have obviously dug up. The assault charge was a deliberate attempt to get the police to go to his flat to question him. When they did, they also searched it and found his 'medicine'. So he now faces charges for cultivation and intent to supply.

    There are plenty of other cases in the US of people who have been identified - the most common cause being because they've put their names on protest permits.
    Point is - there are several people who are not 'anonymous', who are part of this protest movement. The guy in Plymouth is almost certainly nothing to do with this particular case - and is just an example, but Anonymous kinda isn't completely anonymous any more.
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
    @elana - the last time I spent any time on the anon uk boards, they were gathering a few brave/foolhardy (delete as applicable) souls who were volunteering to be visible anons for media etc purposes but I'm not sure how far that got in practice or whether they used it for something like this. Otherwise, I like to hope that the UK Border Agency wouldn't release information on their sources, so I guess they could feel that it would be safe to actually identify themselves.
    • CommentAuthorIllogic
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
    @ Stargrave: I'm not sure you could say that 4chan has anything to do with it. Every Scientology thread I've seen that's been a bit serious has been more or less shot down over there, or only resulted in a lot of pointless flaming.
    It's mainly sites like Enturbulation that's keeping this whole thing organized from what I've understood.
    Besides, 4chan and Anonymous isn't the same thing these days. Or you could say that the Anonymous fighting Scientology isn't the same thing as the Anonymous of the chans. Except for those cases where they are the same people.
    Highly confusing, but I suppose that's more of an advantage in this case really.

    Either way, interesting to see that they've actually managed to throw such a punch. Sounds like it could inflict some structural damage on the branch in the UK. And considering that structure seems to be highly important to Scientology, that's saying something.
    • CommentAuthorgonzodork
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
    i'm glad to see the anons are still at it and not the dopey anarchistic flash in the pan i'd originally taken them to be. not that i necessarily agree with them on every level, but it's pretty damned impressive to see a group of concerned individuals trying to fight a cultish/religious/corporate entity without brazenly taking up arms and more or less 'keeping it legal'. systematic dismantling through research, code of law, and determination. viva la reveloucion!
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    Yesterday I found out I'm really ignorant about what Scientology really is!

    I knew it had to do with L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics and it was about a different approach to psychology. I had seen the South Park episode where it talks about aliens and volcanoes and other shit while "this is what Scientologists actually believe" is superimposed on the screen.

    I thought that was a joke! They DO actually believe that!!!! Come on fuckers; it was written by a science fiction author! WTF!?

    Has anyone here actually read Dianetics? Does it make for an interesting and entertaining read?
    • CommentAuthorLordFluffy
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
    Re: Walker James.

    Yes, many Scientologists believe in the volcanoes and Xenu and DC-3's with no propellors.

    This isn't what they get you in the door with. It starts with telling you that you are depressed and they can help. Then they do a lot of ego/sel-esteem boosting exercises with you and get you into some of the lower costing classes so that you can become a happier person. Then they convince you the only way to be -rilly- and truthfully happy is to get on the "bridge", which is where you get into the 0T levels. After about 50k in US currency, you go for your 0T3 level. That's when they let Xenu out of the bag.

    By this point, you've drank the milk and bought the whole damn cow. You're not going to flinch when you find out it's an alien cow and the milk is magical. You smile and feel enlightened and then pay the thousands of bucks it takes to become an OT4.

    Of course, to stretch the analogy further, you also can't admit to yourself that the cow is two dudes in a cow suit and that's not an udder you've been milking.

    From the outside and in hindsight, the CoS's crap is obvious crap. From the inside, it looks like genius, supported by all of your friends (because you don't hang out with non Scientologists) who are also drinking the milk and buying the cow and telling you it's frickin' genius.

    Check out stories on It'll curl your hair.
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    I think Harlan would get a chuckle from this.
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    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008

    How many people do you think stay in because they don't want to admit they've been suckered?


    That's some crazy shit. Can any of it be collaborated.
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    it was written by a science fiction author! WTF!?

    Penn & Teller used to do a mentalism act at parties. I think it was before they became as popular as they are now. Before each one they'd tell everyone that they weren't psychic and that it was all a trick. After the act they'd almost always have someone come up to them afterwards and say "i know you legally have to say that it's just a trick before you perform, but you really are psychic right?" Penn would tell them no, but the people would almost always remain convinced that they really were.

    Sylvia Brown has said that anyone who's dumb enough to believe that she's psychic deserves to be scammed out of their money. How often is she on television?

    Hell, mormonism was founded by a convicted con-artist. That hasn't seemed to hurt it's popularity too much.

    People will believe whatever they want to believe.

    Personally i find the Anonymous thing pretty cowardly and think they're not helping themselves but not showing who they are.
    • CommentAuthorraff i el
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
    I don't understand why the CoS would do this though. I take it as read that they're crazy and probably dangerous, but if they're that powerful, couldn't they manage to sort out a few work visas?
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
    I thought that was a joke! They DO actually believe that!!!! Come on fuckers; it was written by a science fiction author! WTF!?

    Actually, about only ten percent of them have reached the level where they learn about it. Many of them, even the organisation's official spokesman don't know what the higher levels contain, despite the fact that all of the original material, in Hubbard's handwriting is available online, because they're kept away from it.

    They're taught that being exposed to it before they're ready will give them pneumonia and may kill them.

    Seriously. So, what a lot of the protesters have done, I hear, is to keep mp3 recordings of Hubbard talking about it on their mobile phones. If they're getting hassled by lower level scientologists, a quick burst of it, even over a tinny phone-speaker, is enough to send them running. This has apparently also been one of the techniques by which protesters have shut down scientology recruiting tables in public places.

    Allegedly, a bunch of Anonymous members also sneaked around the back of the cult's UK headquarters, an old stately home hidden away in the Sussex countryside, and played it through a megaphone. Apparently all open windows were immediately slammed shut to prevent people who hadn't yet paid enough yet that might realise it's easily available for free who might be harmed by it, from being exposed to this dangerous material.
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008

    a funny and disturbing(to me, the Sherlock fanboy) historical intersection was the difference of opinion between Houdini and Arthur Conan Doyle, who believed that Houdini had special powers, but was either deluded or in denial about it.
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
    @oddcult - yeah, I've shut down a recruiter who tried to corner me at Tower Hill tube station (where they frequently have a public "stress test" table) into having a stress test by turning around and going "So: have you heard about Xenu and the contents of OT3 and above, then?" Didn't even have to continue, he slammed his hands to his ears so fast and took off.

    The mp3 on phone is a good idea though.

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