Whitechapel - YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing Wed, 22 May 2013 12:39:50 -0700 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.4 & Feed Publisher YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8577#Comment_8577 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8577#Comment_8577 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:25:19 -0800 joe.distort YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8580#Comment_8580 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8580#Comment_8580 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:51:13 -0800 morganagrom
Unless Lapham's gotten a lot quicker, does this mean there's no more Stray Bullets on the horizon? Maybe more SC collections though? ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8581#Comment_8581 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8581#Comment_8581 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:51:32 -0800 warrenellis YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8582#Comment_8582 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8582#Comment_8582 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:52:02 -0800 morganagrom YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8583#Comment_8583 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8583#Comment_8583 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:57:03 -0800 warrenellis "At the core of YOUNG LIARS is the disturbing relationship between Danny Noonan, a habitual liar and crap guitar player from Texas, and Sadie Dawkins, the object of his desire. Sadie was a poor little rich girl until a bullet lodged in her brain turned her into an adrenaline junkie who only listens to Danny."

SOLD. ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8584#Comment_8584 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8584#Comment_8584 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:01:23 -0800 reasonableman YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8586#Comment_8586 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8586#Comment_8586 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:08:50 -0800 joe.distort YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8593#Comment_8593 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8593#Comment_8593 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:45:29 -0800 will_butler
Will ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8594#Comment_8594 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8594#Comment_8594 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:47:20 -0800 Randy74
But Vertigo as a line is strong in my store, so i'll do my best to push this opne, plsu im gonna read it anyways. ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8601#Comment_8601 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8601#Comment_8601 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:53:52 -0800 Lyons
In any event, good to hear that Lapham's got some crime stuff coming down the pike. ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8603#Comment_8603 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8603#Comment_8603 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:05:36 -0800 joe.distort YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8606#Comment_8606 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8606#Comment_8606 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:18:57 -0800 morganagrom YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8607#Comment_8607 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8607#Comment_8607 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:22:34 -0800 morganagrom YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8608#Comment_8608 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8608#Comment_8608 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:31:12 -0800 joe.distort YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8650#Comment_8650 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8650#Comment_8650 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:48:05 -0800 TechnocratJT YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8708#Comment_8708 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8708#Comment_8708 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:56:57 -0800 Lyons
And, yes, three copies per customer, please. ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8786#Comment_8786 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8786#Comment_8786 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:07:58 -0800 morganagrom
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=140132 ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8813#Comment_8813 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8813#Comment_8813 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:51:42 -0800 Soulcraft YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8851#Comment_8851 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8851#Comment_8851 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:36:07 -0800 madmatt213 TERROR, INC., guys? That mini-series is kicking all kinds of ass. #4 (out of 5) hits stores today, I highly recommend checking it out. ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8858#Comment_8858 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8858#Comment_8858 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:38:46 -0800 Lyons YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8898#Comment_8898 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=8898#Comment_8898 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:42:03 -0800 Elohim YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=42870#Comment_42870 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=42870#Comment_42870 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:52:25 -0700 Spiraltwist LITG:

David Lapham doing all he can to keep "Young Liars" working at DC/Vertigo. Send him a copy with a stamped and addressed envelope and he'll return it, signed with a head sketch of anyone you want.

David Lapham

P.O. Box 3911

Glendale, CA 91221-0911


Just an FYI. ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=42876#Comment_42876 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=42876#Comment_42876 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:59:33 -0700 joe.distort YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=44658#Comment_44658 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=44658#Comment_44658 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:24:03 -0700 norton YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=45015#Comment_45015 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=45015#Comment_45015 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:33:29 -0700 jamassie YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=45054#Comment_45054 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=45054#Comment_45054 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:03:44 -0700 warrenellis This looks very interesting...but did Lapham even finish stray bullets ? If not I wish he would try and finish his story rather than jumping on to something else

You don't get to choose that, I'm afraid. ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=45080#Comment_45080 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=45080#Comment_45080 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:09:18 -0700 Soulcraft You don't get to choose that, I'm afraid.

Oh I know, cause if I had that kind of power, Planetary would have been completed already haha

In all seriousness though, Young Liar is incredible, props to Lapham. ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=46743#Comment_46743 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=46743#Comment_46743 Fri, 02 May 2008 15:50:08 -0700 Joey Stone YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=46900#Comment_46900 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=46900#Comment_46900 Sat, 03 May 2008 12:04:42 -0700 Ted YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=46913#Comment_46913 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=46913#Comment_46913 Sat, 03 May 2008 12:56:44 -0700 Spiraltwist I got the first two issues on the recommendation of this thread, and was not disappointed.

That's great to read, btw. ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=49368#Comment_49368 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=49368#Comment_49368 Sat, 10 May 2008 16:57:45 -0700 morganagrom
Also, in case you aren't buying Young Liars as a serial (and judging from the icv2.com numbers, you aren't: 03/2008: Young Liars #1 — 13,177) amazon says a $9.99 paperback is scheduled for December 16, 2008. ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58018#Comment_58018 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58018#Comment_58018 Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:59:29 -0700 morganagrom
http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/06/10/dc-month-to-month-sales-april-2008/

170 - YOUNG LIARS (Vertigo)

03/2008: Young Liars #1 — 13,177

04/2008: Young Liars #2 — 9,917 (-24.7%) ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58024#Comment_58024 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58024#Comment_58024 Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:22:01 -0700 Rudi YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58048#Comment_58048 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58048#Comment_58048 Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:29:38 -0700 morganagrom YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58065#Comment_58065 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58065#Comment_58065 Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:30:03 -0700 James Cunningham YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58080#Comment_58080 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58080#Comment_58080 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:08:35 -0700 morganagrom YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58101#Comment_58101 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58101#Comment_58101 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:24:41 -0700 mybrainhurts YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58109#Comment_58109 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58109#Comment_58109 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:22:38 -0700 madmatt213 Buy it or bleed from your anus! ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58116#Comment_58116 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58116#Comment_58116 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:47:39 -0700 Midweeker I mean, how many of you guys have actually read Stray Bullets? The first issue came out almost 13 years ago now, and of the hundreds of comic-book readers I know, probably less than a handful have read any of it.
I always kept it in stock in all of the comic shops I worked in, and I'd be lucky to sell more than a few copies a year, despite me trying to push it on anyone who read Sleeper, Criminal, Daredevil or any of the the other more popular books that share some of it's ethos. It's also one of those books that I'd always see in the sale sections in other shops...
I do suspect it might be one of those series that would benefit from a big, cheap omnibus edition, but we'll have to see, I guess.

As for Young Liars, I'm not too surprised it took a bit of a dive from issue 1 to 2, as retailers were ordering it blind, based on other recent Vertigo launches (Crossing Midnight, Scalped and Army @ Love not exactly doing stellar business). The sales on issues 3 & 4, plus reorders, will be far more indicative of how it's really doing. I also suspect there may be a good chunk of people waiting for the trade, but again, we'll have to see. ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58255#Comment_58255 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58255#Comment_58255 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:52:44 -0700 Task YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58272#Comment_58272 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58272#Comment_58272 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:38:46 -0700 mybrainhurts YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58284#Comment_58284 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58284#Comment_58284 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:03:01 -0700 warrenellis 03/2008: Young Liars #1 — 13,177

04/2008: Young Liars #2 — 9,917 (-24.7%)

Where it is by issue 2 matters less than 1) where it is by issue 9 and 2) how well the TPB does. It could come out of that trough, pick up new readers via the first TPB and stabilise at 13K (remember, those numbers are short by at least 2000 copies).

-- W ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58288#Comment_58288 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58288#Comment_58288 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:12:21 -0700 joe.distort YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58301#Comment_58301 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58301#Comment_58301 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:51:01 -0700 buzzorhowl YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58330#Comment_58330 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58330#Comment_58330 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:25:11 -0700 morganagrom Where it is by issue 2 matters less than 1) where it is by issue 9 and 2) how well the TPB does. It could come out of that trough, pick up new readers via the first TPB and stabilise at 13K (remember, those numbers are short by at least 2000 copies).

Possibly, and that's an interesting insight. However, based on the historic performance of other recent Vertigo launches, the odds don't favor it happening. Has any other recent Vertigo launch actually gained periodical readers between 2 and 9? Neither Scalped or The Exterminators did, and we know how the latter turned out.

Also, even if the icv2 numbers are off by roughly the same amount each month, those attrition trends are still pretty nasty. Would any non-comics periodical business accept reliably losing readership month in and month out? ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58335#Comment_58335 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58335#Comment_58335 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:04:23 -0700 warrenellis Also, even if the icv2 numbers are off by roughly the same amount each month, those attrition trends are still pretty nasty. Would any non-comics periodical business accept reliably losing readership month in and month out?

If the direct market stores were their only source of revenue, probably not. But singles are to some extent loss-leaders for the TPB at DC.

Has any other recent Vertigo launch actually gained periodical readers between 2 and 9?

Just looking through the last set of estimated sales figures;

209 - SCALPED (Vertigo)
04/2007: Scalped #4 — 9,163 (- 3.9%)
05/2007: Scalped #5 — 9,022 (- 1.5%)
06/2007: Scalped #6 — 8,689 (- 3.7%)
07/2007: Scalped #7 — 8,303 (- 4.4%)
08/2007: Scalped #8 — 7,942 (- 4.4%)
09/2007: Scalped #9 — 7,678 (- 3.3%)
10/2007: Scalped #10 — 7,536 (- 1.9%)
11/2007: Scalped #11 — 7,323 (- 2.8%)
12/2007: Scalped #12 — 7,048 (- 3.8%)
01/2008: Scalped #13 — 6,993 (- 0.8%)
02/2008: Scalped #14 — 6,903 (- 1.3%)
03/2008: Scalped #15 — 7,004 (+ 1.5%)
04/2008: Scalped #16 — 7,071 (+ 1.0%)

Clearly trending up, although a little slowly. It's possible the trench has widened since I was last working there. Also, of course, the time I launched a series at Vertigo, that series turned out to be the proof article of the "loss-leader" theory.... ]]> YOUNG LIARS: new lapham ongoing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58348#Comment_58348 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=332&Focus=58348#Comment_58348 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:10:43 -0700 morganagrom
What's scary is that when the numbers are that low, 101 copies means one spike, and 67 means another. So basically, the turnaround was the result of retailers all across the nation spending a combined additional $150 on #15 and $250 on #16.

So if there's anyone out there who really, really wants to see Young Liars turn around, go out there and ask your local comics store if they'd let you order 50-100 copies at their cost (roughly 50% of cover). ]]>