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      CommentAuthornorton
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2008
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    Just thinking about the portability of comics and the fact that whilst I have seen manga books in a pocket-sized format this has not come into western comics.

    Personally I would go for this though I'm sure there are many arguements against this (mostly to do with costs).

    Also what is it like to write for this format in relation to pacing, etc.

    Maybe a new thing for Avatar to try?
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    what about the new printing of "Whiteout"? that's manga size (or damn near close to it).
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    Most American comics are pocket-sized. You just have to fold them a little.
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      CommentAuthornorton
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2008
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    About "Whiteout": I wasn't aware of this.

    However is there not a problem with the shrinking of artwork and text to this scale?

    In my original post I was talking about original content.
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      CommentAuthoroutlawpoet
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2008
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    I got some trades of Araña that were pocket-size. I mostly picked it up out of latino solidarity, but it was pretty cute, and the form-factor was pretty appealing. I did wonder a little about the art though; It wasn't perfect, but I was always curious whether it was resized, or just wasn't that lovely to begin with.
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    The DC Minx line, the current versions of the SIN CITY books... DC broke this ground with the Paradox Mystery line in the 1990s...
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    I picked up the first RUNAWAYS digest, which would be Marvel's codeword for "manga-sized." I read it twice and it fell apart. Maybe they've improved the bindings since then, because the MARVEL ADVENTURES titles are in the digest format, and they seemed fairly stable in the bookstore.
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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2008
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    FAT CHUNK on Slave Labor Graphic is in pocket size.
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      CommentAuthoralexwilson
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2008
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    I feel like most of the non-manga comics I buy _are_ manga-sized.
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    I don’t mind it too much when the books were produced for this format in the first place, but some of them are just digitally reduced versions of the original comics. That means the art gets cramped, and worse, the letters get hard to read. The all-caps, all handwriting, often too heavy text in comics isn’t easy on the eyes to begin with. When it’s reduced to five or six points, I can barely read it and prefer to leave the book on the shelf. If the books are going to be printed at these sizes some new fonts need to be commissioned and letters need to start using lowercase.

    And J is right on about the quality of bindings—it’s bad enough that these books are printed on paper that reminds me of early ’80s Marvel books, but what are they using for glue in some of these shitty books.
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    Hm, when you said pocket sized, I imagined something even smaller than manga-size. Almost 4" by 6", even, or something along those lines. It would be a challenge, but it might be interesting to do some new experimentation with such a restricted format, rather than trying to tune old comics to the format. The restrictions could lead to real innovation, and if the binding and printing could be done cheaply but in a quality way, this could be an effective way of doing smaller comics.

    Or am I going overboard with the idea?
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      CommentAuthoralexwilson
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2008
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    Off the top of my head, Top Shelf has a few books at 4x6. Liz Prince. Jeffery Brown (in fact, I think most of his work is 4x6 or smaller). It'd be funny if TS tried to reissue From Hell as a pocket sized book.
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      CommentAuthorbrittanica
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2008
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    i bought all of the runaways digests, and only one's started to fall apart on me.
    i like the idea of marvel putting out their "kid" books in the smaller form; not as much attention span needed all at once, kid doesn't have to drag a $20 hardcover to school with them (and hope it doesn't get trashed or stolen)...

    @keeperofmanynames: very interesting idea, not sure how much content would actually come from that. if they were cheap, i'd be willing to try them out, though... idea! take avatar's issue zero concept, use smaller format, make it even cheaper than 99 cents. hm?
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      CommentAuthorDavidWynne
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2008
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    Um, I'm just in the middle of arranging to have my first GN printed, and that's going to be 4x6. I drew it in that size, too...
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      CommentAuthordswood
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2008
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    When I think "pocket-sized," I think of the various Archie Comics digest and double digest titles...

    I still pick those up pretty frequently. They're not something I'll bother going to a comic shop for, but every time I'm in a grocery store line-up or whatever, I'll pick one up to kill time both then and later, in a format I can just stuff into my back pocket and forget about until boredom hits.

    But Archie Comics haven't done much for me in years (probably because it's been the same four recycled stories since 19-whatever). I would very much like to see more stuff in that size.

    I've picked up Brian Wood and Ryan Kelly's Minx book, The New York Four, which is a tiny thing, and liked it as much for the reason of its size as I did for the content (which I also quite enjoyed). It made its home in my camera bag for a couple of days.

    I vaguely recall G.I. Joe having a similar format to the Archie stuff for reprints when I was younger, and with Amazing Spider-Man coming out as frequently as it does these days, I would think a monthly collection in digest size might just suit that title very well (or by storyline/creative team shift/what-have-you).

    It's not a format I could see for something more epic in scope, like say Watchmen, or for anything extremely art intensive, but for more fast-paced comics that are made to appeal to mass audiences rather than a niche, giving them a quick and efficient size to grab it, read it and pass it along... disposable entertainment and all that.
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    I'd pay extra money to buy 90% of all the manga I purchase in full comic-size format. Viz managed it perfectly once with the Nausicaa collections, and I wish Dark Horse would do the same for Blade of the Immortal. I haven't bought any of Blade of the Immortal in GN format simply because Hiroaki Samura's art really needs the comic-sized page to breathe.

    Most manga art is acceptable in the smaller format, but I'd still prefer it larger. Printing economies and retail shelf space aren't my problem, I just want a book where the art can breathe. The Marvel larger format hardcover graphic novels are particularly nice because of this.
    • CommentAuthorVerissimus
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2008
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    What would be the benefit?

    For me, it's the bigger, the better. The art makes more of an impression that way. That's why I'm a sucker for those oversized hardcovers.

    Of course, if both regular sized comics and manga sized would be available and the customer would be able to choose, that might be good...If manga sized were significantly cheaper. But I agree with James Puckett, if it's not the size the comic is intended for, the art might get cramped and the text might be more difficult to read.
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      CommentAuthornorton
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2008
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    The benefit is comics in an easily transported format and the idea of having comics in a paperback size might open out markets. I personally dont think that you can just shrink the page of existing material. It must be make for that size.

    So, to move this on it seems that unknown to myself there does seem to be a number of pieces out there that already fit this bill. Can anyone suggest what the better examples are?
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      CommentAuthorliquidcow
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2008
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    Lone Wolf and Cub was brought out in a sort of pocket-sized format, as were Samurai Executioner and Path of the Assassin. In the case of LW&C, I think they decided to bring it out in a smaller format to bring the price down and make 28 volumes more affordable.

    So... do people actually carry books around in their pocket? Because I'm really fussy about keeping books in good condition, especially comic books. I don't think I would literally carry a book around in my pocket.
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      CommentAuthornorton
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2008
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    So... do people actually carry books around in their pocket? Because I'm really fussy about keeping books in good condition, especially comic books. I don't think I would literally carry a book around in my pocket.


    Books - Yes (but in a comic bag for some protection and to keep them dry)
    Comics - No, that why I want pocket sized comics