Whitechapel - Fixing the World #1 - global warming Fri, 24 May 2013 13:56:57 -0700 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.4 & Feed Publisher Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8744#Comment_8744 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8744#Comment_8744 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:01:46 -0800 moali
And think-tanks..like futurists they guess and they get paid to guess...the b*stards...anyway this experiment is to see if a creative group of individuals from different corners of the globe (that would be you suckers) could solve the major problems or atleast make some useful progress....its either this or organising your porn collections....

1 - Global warming: too much farting has led to this (I think) hence we need a solution. The current idea I heard was sucking up the gases from the lower atmosphere and burying them deep down in the Earth but that sounds dodgy and doesn't get rid of the gas....

Personally I was thinking that there must be some way to release the dangerous farts from our atmosphere into space..some sort of fancy hyper-chimney?....but that's why I'm broke...

any better ideas? ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8757#Comment_8757 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8757#Comment_8757 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:10:02 -0800 hyim David Keith: A surprising idea for "solving" climate change
Environmental scientist David Keith talks about a cheap, effective, shocking solution to climate change: What if we injected a huge cloud of ash into the atmosphere, to deflect sunlight and heat? As an emergency measure to...
]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8758#Comment_8758 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8758#Comment_8758 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:22:59 -0800 Duck we can pop it thru the hole in the atmosphere!
using rescources there.
xxx ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8767#Comment_8767 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8767#Comment_8767 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:28:35 -0800 Cat Vincent Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8770#Comment_8770 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8770#Comment_8770 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:48:21 -0800 ARES
Too broad? Perhaps. But I'll bet it would work, probably just as likely as it is that nobody buys into it. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8785#Comment_8785 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8785#Comment_8785 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:03:09 -0800 MusiM http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/16956300/the_prophet_of_climate_change_james_lovelock

and

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

I just hope if the world ends the after math is more interesting to live through than watching politicians preen.

Personally I stick to Murphy's Law on all accounts. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Sure you could blame the whole human race getting set on fire to technology, but I doubt we'd have survived this long without it. Same with trade, aka business.

Looking at America, just because, if there is 1 car per adult here, then that's a lot of freaking cars to convert to some type of engine that farts air freshner. There's no feasible way to make or enforce that kind of immediate change. Not without some type of socialist government or dictatorship. And the simple fact is I really don't like the whole other people make me do something good. But that's just me and I do live in a country founded by pirates! ARR!!! Okay maybe they weren't pirates, but they were close enough (**cou-terrorists-gh**). Seriously tarred and feathered? What sick fuck thought that up? ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8792#Comment_8792 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8792#Comment_8792 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:32:50 -0800 Paul Duffield Check this out and try and promote it if you're looking for a way to help. It's be best carbon budgeting scheme I'm aware of, and a friend of mine is putting his life energy and resources into making it work: TEQs ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8796#Comment_8796 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8796#Comment_8796 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:49:04 -0800 Pete Martin
Then use nuclear energy. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8798#Comment_8798 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8798#Comment_8798 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:14:06 -0800 Alan Tyson
Firstly, SOMEBODY, I don't really care who, needs to strong-arm the Chinese, the Russians, and us wee little Americans off the path they've put themselves on - whether it's through sanctions, trade embargoes, or even stronger forms of economic warfare, somehow it needs to get done. Even if the rest of the world's population sits up straight and does the right thing, if even one of those nations doesn't, that's still a huge chunk of the planet's population releasing toxic, heat-holding farts, as we've come to call them.

Secondly, we need to get our asses back to space. There's He3 on the moon, and that means fusion, and that means a hell of a lot cleaner energy than what we're using right now, and similarly it's much cheaper in the long run and has a much, much higher yield. The electric car? No problem. Actually, I really hope some space agency other than NASA starts some shit and, I dunno, goes to Mars or the Belt or something, so that America has no choice but to bring NASA up to the point it should have been ten years ago. In catching up, America will put itself into a wartime economy, which is good for us in almost all respects, including that unlike most wartime economy situations, oh, thousands of people aren't dying. And no, I haven't forgotten Colombia, or Challenger, or Apollo 1 - I know people die in space exploration. If it takes an independent, commercial endeavor to get us back up there, I'm OK with that, too. Go Heinlein Foundation.

So, assuming we've done those two things, we've managed to slow the damage being caused by the three biggest culprits of Chinamart, the USSRussia, and, well, us guys. And then, we've got alternative energy going for us, and our economy is geared toward an expensive, long-term, mostly bloodless affair. Once we've done these things, by the time nanotech finally gets its costume and makeup on and comes on stage, the climate change problem will be much easier to handle than if we just wait around for it. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8817#Comment_8817 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8817#Comment_8817 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:20:44 -0800 m1k3y industrial revolution begats climate change. colonisation, well getting all those cheap resources kinda frakked up all the natives.. each on their own unique way.

there's so much work to be done on this planet.. and it's mostly just replacing the tech that got us this far. replacing and/or re-contextualizing it.

take the Car, great symbol of the 20th Century. = freedom - go anywhere Mr Consumer.
brings smog/pollution, the 'burbs, road rage and just general laziness. especially in the burbs. noone walks.

alternatives? increased telecommuting. not everyone working from home every day, but sometimes. reduces traffic congestion, reduces road rage, reduces pollution.
see also - urbanising the suburbs. just plan stop any more sprawling. build up, not out. increase concentration of people in the area, making everything more accessible in walking distance.

two simple ideas that don't involve waiting for a space race or 'scientists' to create nanotech etc.

i believe the Industrial Age was that of the One Big Solution. in the coming Post-Industrial Age we need to make it that of the Many Small Solutions. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8832#Comment_8832 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8832#Comment_8832 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:14:39 -0800 Paul Duffield
Why replace one form of pollutant with another? "In the coming Post-Industrial Age we need to make it that of the Many Small Solutions." I think this is pretty spot on, and nuclear energy is most definitely not many small solutions.
If you don't agree, don't debate it here... read this, and then make a constructive pro-nuclear argument if you still want to. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8837#Comment_8837 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8837#Comment_8837 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:27:42 -0800 hyim not to mention nuclear energy implies a government regulatory body overseeing the treatment and so-called disposal of nuclear waste. That's committing to a police state for more than 5 000 years. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8838#Comment_8838 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8838#Comment_8838 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:29:11 -0800 Kosmopolit
- Russia's way behind China and the US in terms of greenhouse gas emissions.

- In fact the third largest emitter in the world is Indonesia - because they're burning huge areas of rain forest.

One of the big wins to come out of Bali was an agreement that the successor to Kyoto would include credits for developing countries to preserve their forests.

- If we try to replace the current electricity from coal and natural gas with nuclear power we'll run out of Uranium in something like 50 or 60 years.

- The problem with injecting ash into the atmosphere is two-fold.

First, we have to keep doing it effectively forever - particles only stay in the atmosphere for a couple of years, carbon dioxide lasts hundreds of years. If we keep adding carbon dioxide we'll have to keep adding ever-increasing amounts of ash to counteract it. If we stop for any reason we'll see much of the effects of the warming from all the additional carbon dioxide we've added since we started adding ash occurring in a couple of years rather than over decades.

Second, ash doesn't just block heat it also blocks light, reducing the amount available for plants. The Asian Brown Cloud a mix of particulates and other emissions over India and south east Asia is already believed to cut agricultual output in those countries by 10% by reducing the available light. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8846#Comment_8846 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8846#Comment_8846 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:13:35 -0800 Joe Paoli @Hylm, quoting David Keith
Environmental scientist David Keith talks about a cheap, effective, shocking solution to climate change: What if we injected a huge cloud of ash into the atmosphere, to deflect sunlight and heat? As an emergency measure to...
This 'solution' amuses me. Didn't we used to be afraid of nuclear winter? That's what this is without the bombs.

There's also the one about pumping our excess CO2 into the depths of the ocean and letting the pressure keep it there. That one just seems to me to be a disasterous idea. Yeah, let's create MORE giant oxygen-free dead zones in the ocean. Great plan. And what happens when some seafloor event causes a giant CO2 fart? Wasn't there a village somewhere in the world that was asphyxiated by a lake's underwater volcano's slow build up and sudden methane release?

I'm hardly an optimist when it comes to human nature, but just as I think the biggest motivation against reducing our oil dependency, pollution, and CO2 output is the profit motive and consumer desire for our lifestyle, I also think that any solution absolutely must fit within that framework as well. Asimov said it best when he said that the revelation that cigarettes cause cancer didn't motivate smokers to quit so much as it fueled the desire for a cancer-free cigarette.

A - perhaps the only - smart thing I've ever heard of George W saying was that low gas prices don't encourage people to use less gas or diversity in the fuel market, high gas prices do. Right now we are in the best possible environment for companies and individuals to innovate with biomass, wind and solar, and replacing the automobile's fossil fuel system. Every time I hear about a company like Nanosolar or Changing World Technologies I think that it's possible that a huge societal paradigm shift is on its way.

Hell, my local library is in the middle of a renovation that includes a green roof. Why? Sure because it's right for the planet and gives them happy PR, but also because it saves them money.

That's how we fix the world. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8848#Comment_8848 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8848#Comment_8848 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:29:19 -0800 Paul Duffield
Yes, this is exactly what people don't seem to get. Carbon Budgeting and generating your own power saves vast amounts money in the long run. It's not a matter of 'well, is the climate *really* changing, why do we have to change? Regardless of the climate, most changes that genuinely reduce global warming are positive and will create a better more stable future. Why the hell not?
If every home were its own energy source, we'd only need a very minimal energy grid powered by numerous small unobtrusive renewable factories. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8852#Comment_8852 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8852#Comment_8852 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:02:15 -0800 Joe Paoli @Paul Duffield
Yes, this is exactly what people don't seem to get. Carbon Budgeting and generating your own power saves vast amounts money in the long run. It's not a matter of 'well, is the climate *really* changing, why do we have to change? Regardless of the climate, most changes that genuinely reduce global warming are positive and will create a better more stable future. Why the hell not?
If every home were its own energy source, we'd only need a very minimal energy grid powered by numerous small unobtrusive renewable factories.For most people to bite though, it also has to be affordable in the short run. Whether through grants, tax breaks, economics, or banks offering loans for home power systems based on projected energy bill savings or what have you. I mean, Geothermal's cool and all, but how many decades will it take for a system that costs six figures to pay for itself? Obviously some solutions that are good for the planet aren't good for everyone.

Though a good story I heard about helping these systems along was of a solar company in New Jersey offering large scale expensive systems to farmers. They come in to evaluate the property, and assuming it can generate subsistence power or close to it based on whatever factors, they offer to install a solar power plant on the property for free. Then they bill the farm 90% of their per-month power cost (and I assume they adjust that rate for the summer and winter months) until the system's paid off (and I assume there's some profit built in there for the company as well). At the end of the billing cycle, the farm has its own solar power system.

Now when your monthly power bill is four or five figures, this is a pretty big win for everyone; the farm, the company, and the planet. And all you need for that economic model to work is an outfit or non-profit with enough bucks and expertise to buy, install, and maintain zero emission power plants. Surely a VC with a few mil in the bank would fund that initiative. Hell, George Clooney or Will Smith, or any of those actors who want to change the world could afford to fund one of those at no change to their lifestyle and change the world one medium-level power consumer at a time. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8900#Comment_8900 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8900#Comment_8900 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:52:53 -0800 MusiM Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8902#Comment_8902 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8902#Comment_8902 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:02:30 -0800 Kosmopolit
Some utilities are now installing solar panels and charging people a small fixed fee as part of their electricity bill, spreading the cost over many years.

The nice thing about end-point solar (i.e. stuff that's installed on homes and offices) is that utilities compare the cost of solar power or wind (around 20 cents and 10 cents per KWH respectively) with the wholesale cost of coal-fired power (usually under 5 cents and sometimes as low as 2 cents). That's not very attractive.

But the consumer pays 20 cents or more for power to the utility once stuff like distribution and transmission losses added in. That makes solar a lot more attractive to the end user than to the utility. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8906#Comment_8906 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8906#Comment_8906 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:21:24 -0800 Paul Duffield
Yes, that's mightily interesting. I wouldn't extrapolate anything from it except "my college-educated friends are good at ignoring top-level peer reviewed science". ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8909#Comment_8909 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8909#Comment_8909 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:32:56 -0800 StefanJ Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8926#Comment_8926 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8926#Comment_8926 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:32:25 -0800 m1k3y Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8931#Comment_8931 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8931#Comment_8931 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:10:27 -0800 Unsub
The poor countrys that are really doing insane amounts of damage to the world feel totally entitled because the west did it before and now they see it as there turn.
China and the other asian countries do not give a crap. The Chinese literally pray to thousand dollar bills FOR MORE MONEY!!!
The impulse when they see a tree is to cut it down and sell it. Hybrid cars use NICKEL batteries and nickel mines are one of the worst forms of pollution ever.

It is silly to think that a few people riding bikes to work and recycling will have any effect. Ironically one of the most effective groups has been hunters fighting for habitat for animals to shoot. Ducks Unlimited for example has saved thousands of square miles of oxygen producing wetlands.

People are not willing to make the kinds of changes it would take to actually make even a noticeable difference.

Our best hope to survive as a species are
1- a huge war wipes out enough of the population that the earth has time to recover. Something with lots of low radiation nukes and biowarfare. Ideally it would take out all the poor countries as they are the ones who have the biggest families.

2 My favourite idea is what I call the not putting all our eggs in one basket plan. We would need to spend a insane amount of cash(manhattan project for 100 years)
and colonize several other planets. If we had kept up with the rate of investment and development from the 60's we would be half way there by now.

3 - I call this my "the world needs a vasectomy plan". Someone makes a bioweapon that sterilizes almost everyone. If say 1 in a 1000 people was fertile then
the next few generations could start with all the wealth and knoledge but without all the mouths to feed.

4- Fascism ,the only way we could actually keep things even remotly close to the way things are and not kill the world is if we had a all powereful one world government using the threat of global extinction to keep us in line. Capitalism is incapable by it's very nature of making long term plans.
Hopefully I will be dead before this becomes a option. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8961#Comment_8961 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8961#Comment_8961 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:25:13 -0800 ScottBieser
2) Don't like suburbia? Consider the suburban home maintains a great deal more CO2-eating plants than the average urban apartment. And in some areas, more than the same land would support if it were open grassland or desert. Also consider that a lot of people don't like living in rabbit warrens.

3) With nanotech, we will eventually face a deficit of CO2, because nano-machines are built out of carbon, and CO2 is the most freely available source.

4) Don't like humans? Consider how easy it is for you to decrease the human population by one. If you manage to take a few politicians with you, that would be a real service to the rest of us.

5) Worried about rising sea levels? Build sea-walls, or relocate to higher ground. If you don't, you must not really be all that worried.

6) Nobody is going to force either China or the United States to deliberately slow or stop their economies for any reason. Deal with it.

7) Most people generate a good bit less CO2 while masturbating than while having sex with a partner. Wank away!

8) Some people are going to get very rich over this global warming business, and unfortunately it won't include me. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8973#Comment_8973 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8973#Comment_8973 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:56:51 -0800 hyim
/rolleyes. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8980#Comment_8980 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8980#Comment_8980 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:14:32 -0800 hyim The Year's 10 Craziest Ways to Hack the Earth ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8984#Comment_8984 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8984#Comment_8984 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:16:49 -0800 Kosmopolit
Or you live in Bangladesh or various other parts of the third world and moving isn't really an option.

Not everyone's a middle class suburbanite from the developed world. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8987#Comment_8987 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=8987#Comment_8987 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:54:32 -0800 Kosmopolit
Shell is the first oil major to back biodiesel production from algae.

EU legislates to force carmakers to cut carbon emissions.

and

Closely watched start-up nanosolar, which aims to slash the price of solar panels, ships its first commercial products.

http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=50926 ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=9089#Comment_9089 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=9089#Comment_9089 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:53:16 -0800 m1k3y
@hyim - Vertical Farming FTW! .. all the rest are far too crazy IMHO. Doesn't anyone remember (apart from @MusiM (props dude!!)) Lovelock's Gaia hypothesis. This planet is one big hella complicated system. We've nudged it pretty hard with our industrialisation. The last we should be doing is poking it with a totally different stick (ie freaking giant space mirrors)... ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10605#Comment_10605 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10605#Comment_10605 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:05:53 -0800 ScottBieser
Point taken, although my message was addressed to people here, who presumably are mostly middle-class urbanites or suburbanites. Any Bangladeshis here, please chime in.

Also, these past several months I've noticed quite a few global-warming-alarm programs being aired on Discovery, The History Channel, etc. and sponsored by major oil companies. So now can we drop the ad-hominems and debate the science rather than who's getting paid by whom? ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10606#Comment_10606 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10606#Comment_10606 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:10:50 -0800 Ariana Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10615#Comment_10615 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10615#Comment_10615 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:38:38 -0800 Kosmopolit
The only time I referred to oil companies was to link to a story about BP backing biodiesel production. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10623#Comment_10623 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10623#Comment_10623 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:56:47 -0800 Jay Kay Scott - what ad hominems?

The only time I referred to oil companies was to link to a story about BP backing biodiesel production.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the specials that have been on the Discovery and History channels, not you. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10653#Comment_10653 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10653#Comment_10653 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:22:07 -0800 ScottBieser
The ad-hominem remark wasn't directed at anyone here, but at how so much of the discussion on this matter in most places I've seen, over the past two or three years, has been more about who-do-you-hate than what-are-the-facts. In my view, nobody should get a free pass, and all claims should be treated with skepticism. Now that oil companies are lining up on both sides of this issue, maybe now the discourse can elevate to a higher level. Or, maybe not. ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10668#Comment_10668 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10668#Comment_10668 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:34:34 -0800 nleavitt http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/51 ]]> Fixing the World #1 - global warming http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10671#Comment_10671 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=341&Focus=10671#Comment_10671 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:21:17 -0800 Unsub The first thing that would have to go is the awful evil lawn. Replaced with a lot of food and oxygen producing plants it would make a HUGE difference.
Also instead of trucking in our produce from factory farms it could be grown locally ,saving energy and using less chemicals.

I love fast cars and bikes. Fortunatly their are powerful engines where the air that comes out the exahst is cleaner than the air that goes in. I also would hope we would get much more motorbikes and what are known as side by sides. The side by sides are 700cc golf cart type vehicles that are street legal in europe and make a perfect second car for grocery getting etc.

Just like everyone growing their own vegetables is better than huge farms ,individual homes producing at least some of their own electricity is much better than huge hydro projects.
Their are lots of good solar/wind(they work better together) systems. We used to have lots of wind generators here in Saskatchewan before all the farms got power lines but the power companies insisted that your home system must be proved to be DESTROYED before they would hook you up to the grid. Thankfully all our power ,insurance and communications are crowns(owned by the sask government)now. We have the best service and rates in Canada even with a small decentralized population. The free market nazis hate it.

It is kind of like a P2P system for producing energy and food.

I was a bit bummed out before Xmass when I wrote the last post. I am feeling a bit more positive now. I still think the best way
to save the environment is reduce drastically the number of people. If there was reverse birth control ie people had to consciously use some pill to get pregnant and their were no unwanted or accidental pregnancies then I think that would work. ]]>