Whitechapel - Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard Fri, 24 May 2013 07:51:58 -0700 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.4 & Feed Publisher Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79680#Comment_79680 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79680#Comment_79680 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:49:52 -0700 Tom Tomorrow Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79684#Comment_79684 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79684#Comment_79684 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:57:17 -0700 Kosmopolit
He's also a nice guy.

Neither of these facts is inconsistent with the fact that he's bug-fuck crazy.

As for my personal excperience with Cerebus, I quit around issue 140 when the Crazy started out-weighing the Funny.

Am I the only person who skipped over most of the text pages in Jaka's Story?

I mean I TRIED to read them but the prose was just so pretentious and self-conscious. Prissy even. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79763#Comment_79763 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79763#Comment_79763 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:37:00 -0700 Wakefield
I love his visual storytelling, but you're right, his prose isn't great. It needs severe editing.

What's fascinating to me about Cerebus is the way it transformed from a pretty straight-forward Conan parody into something much richer. I really like seeing artists evolve on paper--one of the reasons I really dig Adrian Tomine's early work. Though I have to admit: Sim's plots are pretty incomprehensible sometimes.

I wonder how keenly Sim feels the backlash. It's usually the first thing mentioned when his name comes up, and I'd imagine that's irritating as hell. He seems very approachable in the Panel & Pixel session he had, though I've read other interviews where he's downright abrasive. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79788#Comment_79788 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79788#Comment_79788 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:01:48 -0700 James Cunningham
I liked Cerebus quite a bit, and am glad Dave Sim finished it. I don't agree with a lot of what he has to say but there are things he's said that he's 100% right about that I hadn't seen anyone else saying, particularly the parts about people who believe what they feel matters as much or more than what they think. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79802#Comment_79802 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79802#Comment_79802 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:37:21 -0700 William Joseph Dunn Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79807#Comment_79807 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79807#Comment_79807 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:51:36 -0700 Tom Tomorrow Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79885#Comment_79885 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=79885#Comment_79885 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:35:46 -0700 mlpeters
@Kosmopolit --
I thought Jaka's story was a masterpiece and read every word. The only thing about it that really bothered me was Jaka's dancing NEVER seems to have any music behind it. In Cerebus' world, I guess dancing is always unaccompanied by anything to dance to...?

I thought MINDS was the best "phonebook" of the series -- it doesn't grind your nose in the more objectionable aspects of Sim's beliefs and c'mon, "Cerebus is a BAD flyspeck" -- LOL funny in the truest sense and the next book, GUYS was full of laughs.

READS was a cool fight scene interspersed with stuff that I hoped was a put-on, but turned out to be... something closer to what Dave actually thinks -- makes it hard to admire what is admirable about his work, but not impossible. I've read the text a couple of times, but last time I reread Cerebus, I skipped/skimmed the text.

The misogynist stuff was bad enough, but when Dave found religion... and it wasn't some cool sock puppet religion, Chaos Magick, or even a religion open to differing viewpoints...

Still, we got some great books, with some great laughs, interesting characters and a lot to think about before the rest crowded in. A writer doesn't owe us anything, so be glad for what we got. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80262#Comment_80262 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80262#Comment_80262 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:39:32 -0700 Jason Michelitch Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80400#Comment_80400 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80400#Comment_80400 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:43:05 -0700 mister hex
A buddy of mine used to be a big Cerebus fan because he grew up near Dave Sim and his aunt worked at the plant that printed the phone books. But he lost the plot around the time Dave decided women were evil. He still urges me to read the whole thing but it ain't gonna happen unless I'm in solitary confinement. And I guarantee it won't be in the prison library. 'Too political', the civil servant sniffed. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80401#Comment_80401 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80401#Comment_80401 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:44:10 -0700 earl Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80468#Comment_80468 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80468#Comment_80468 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 07:33:57 -0700 mbakunin
I don't agree with Sim's views on much of anything, but I acknowledge his brilliance and adore his work. One thing that's seldom noted is that it's Sim's text pieces and public comments that have earned him PC pariah status, NOT the actual Cerebus narrative itself. I have no problem with creators holding bat-shit crazy views, as long as the work itself remains worthy and doesn't get obscured and disfigured by those views, i.e., turning the work into mere propaganda. Ditko's Randian politics so permeated and defined his Mr. A stories as to make them virtually unreadable; Sim, on the other hand, never turned Cerebus itself into a vehicle for promulgating his more insane views, instead largely confining them to text pages and letters pages. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80635#Comment_80635 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80635#Comment_80635 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:53:56 -0700 dkostis
Gerhard’s background illustration on the book is outstanding. He gives the story Cerebus lives in the texture and consistency of a real living place. It’s a shame that he won’t be doing more comics but I hope he’s getting some painting done on his boat.

The contribution this series made to comics cannot be overstated. There was no graphic novel market when Dave issued his first “phone book” collection. Creator owned was considered vanity press. Comic creators did not go on promotion tours. And while 300 issues is a purely personal accomplishment as opposed to an industry influencing one, it’s still pretty impressive.

On a personal level I have always liked Dave. He’s a good guy to chat with over a coffee.

Professionally, Dave and Gerhard helped me out with my store in ways I can never repay.

I just noticed that I didn’t really comment on the story, but I’ve already gone on long enough. Suffice to say I stuck with it for over twenty years. Some parts I love, some I like and even the parts that didn’t work for me were at least trying to do something new. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80649#Comment_80649 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80649#Comment_80649 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:40:26 -0700 MaC
Through interviews he always stuck me as seriously out there and I haven't mustered the level of commitment and mental health I feel I would need to tackle Cerebrus. One day, yes. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80654#Comment_80654 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=80654#Comment_80654 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:51:06 -0700 howyadoin
Personally, I still wish he got more credit for his lettering, which is amazing. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=81072#Comment_81072 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=81072#Comment_81072 Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:49:40 -0700 Jamie Coville
I had no problems interviewing Dave, but them I saw and spoke with him a few times at conventions prior to asking him for one. He went beyond his 5 question rule for me which was really nice of him. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284284#Comment_284284 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284284#Comment_284284 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 13:33:35 -0800 Jack the Rapper http://www.beguiling.com/images/cerebus-n30-p08.jpg

Giving the insane misoginy of Mr Sim, it's strange how his female characters are much more appealing than the male ones, generally silly or distasteful.
By the way, I think a world with a single talking antrophomorphic animal to be a bit implausible. If there where a tribe of Aardvarks...and how can a human woman fall in love with a bizarre animal? It would have been fun if Julus' goat had been anthropomophized, too. It would have made for some weird scene.Not that Cerebus' story is lacking weirdness... ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284286#Comment_284286 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284286#Comment_284286 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:03:16 -0800 warrenellis Giving the insane misoginy of Mr Sim, it's strange how his female characters are much more appealing than the male charachters


This is early CEREBUS, though, before he really started on his particular road to Damascus.

By the way, I think a world with a single talking antrophomorphic animal a bit implausible

One: CAN YOU EVEN HEAR YOURSELF? Two: that's addressed in future volumes. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284289#Comment_284289 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284289#Comment_284289 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:08:18 -0800 HEY APATHY! Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284299#Comment_284299 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284299#Comment_284299 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:49:33 -0800 Greasemonkey Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284300#Comment_284300 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284300#Comment_284300 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:55:42 -0800 William George Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284302#Comment_284302 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284302#Comment_284302 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:16:08 -0800 King Nirdle Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284307#Comment_284307 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284307#Comment_284307 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:40:12 -0800 warrenellis Did Dave Sim actually challenge Jeff Smith to a fight, or is that just an industry myth?


No, that's true. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284309#Comment_284309 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284309#Comment_284309 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:57:44 -0800 Audley Strange Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284313#Comment_284313 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284313#Comment_284313 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:57:39 -0800 dkostis Did Dave Sim actually challenge Jeff Smith to a fight, or is that just an industry myth?

The challenge was to a boxing match.

The distinction was important to Dave at the time. Something to do with his preconception of proper manly behaviour. In addition, I suspect a large overdose of Hemmingway. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284315#Comment_284315 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284315#Comment_284315 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:17:57 -0800 m3t4lfi3nd Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284316#Comment_284316 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284316#Comment_284316 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:32:27 -0800 KPatrickGlover Cerebus was a reflection of a character’s life, along with the lives of those he met. It takes place over a long period of time and all of the changes that Sim went through reflect themselves in the narrative in a very natural and very honest way. It presents a cohesive whole in ways that few stories (much less comics) ever do.

It’s not about agreeing or disagreeing with Sim. The author (and artist)’s life is irrelevant. It’s about the work and the work on Cerebus is astounding. It lives, it breathes, it makes you laugh and it pisses you off.

From a column I wrote for Hypergeek last year, which can be found here. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284326#Comment_284326 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284326#Comment_284326 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:09:55 -0800 Jack the Rapper
"One: CAN YOU EVEN HEAR YOURSELF? Two: that's addressed in future volumes."

I fixed the error, but, well, conceptually Pogo is more coherent than Cerebus, if you know what I mean And since I don't plan to read the later, women reviling volumes, how it is addressed (i will go as far as Jaka's world)? Was Cerebus turned into an Aardvark by the malignant witch of Borealia? Or maybe it's all symbolic, and Cerebus is a real man that Dave Sim represents as an animal, bit like the stylized Bone cousins. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284328#Comment_284328 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284328#Comment_284328 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:29:03 -0800 andycon
no, there are two other aardvarks: Suenteus Po a mystic and Cirin who leads a matriarchal church


Oh crap sorry, didn't really think of that as spoilers.. my bad. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284422#Comment_284422 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284422#Comment_284422 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:52:52 -0800 Greasemonkey here. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284424#Comment_284424 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284424#Comment_284424 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:16:14 -0800 Finagle
Just the letters pages alone changed my life - I met a correspondent through there by replying to a letter, which forged a friendship with a New York artist that changed my perspective as a Kansas loner immensely. (Hey, Oscar)

I have the entire run, and I haven't finished the last couple volumes yet. I know how it ends, but I'm not ready to make that journey yet. I too left off around 'Reads', and really, I'm reluctant to spoil the memory.

Is anyone reading /Glamorpuss/? I tried, but...well, I learned some interesting things about illustration. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284431#Comment_284431 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284431#Comment_284431 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:18:11 -0800 William Joseph Dunn Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284433#Comment_284433 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284433#Comment_284433 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:59:43 -0800 Carla Speed McNeil
Thematically, people get bogged down in his gender relations crap, and miss the very interesting explorations of power, the use of power, the seeds of destruction inherent in every rise to power, and those who choose to walk away from power.

His conclusions, unfortunately, seem to be that nothing holds up to scrutiny, and any flaw is a huge flaw, and since everything is flawed, round and round the mulberry bush. He also argues for points. He's a great guy when he wants to be, but if you've ever had a friend who makes you think "I just don't know what he sees through the walls of his fishbowl," magnify it enormously, and you've got Dave. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284464#Comment_284464 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284464#Comment_284464 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 00:38:25 -0800 MagicSword!
But for years now I had no interest in it whatsoever because I'd read one of his back-matter rants about women that bugged me in all sorts of ways. I don't know if it's that I'm mellowing with age, but I'm willing to go at it now to get all the good stuff out of it. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284477#Comment_284477 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284477#Comment_284477 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:40:34 -0800 Sobreiro The Craft Behind Cerebus ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284479#Comment_284479 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284479#Comment_284479 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 06:02:28 -0800 Jim Moore Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284556#Comment_284556 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284556#Comment_284556 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:24:20 -0800 Corey Waits
I had only heard about Cerebus recently, and then I was hearing a 50/50 split between "It's brilliant" and "He's crazy", so I hadn't really been too intrigued until this thread. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284560#Comment_284560 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284560#Comment_284560 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:46:10 -0800 dkostis I've looked around at all the usual suspects but haven't seen any volumes of Cerebus for sale anywhere. Any leads?

You can get them on Amazon and from Diamond. Or you can get them shipped direct from Dave Sim here. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284582#Comment_284582 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284582#Comment_284582 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:17:06 -0800 scs
A few years ago, I re-read large chunks of it, skipping over the letters, etc. It works a lot better that way. The attitude and viewpoint is still there, but without the in-your-face phrasing of Sims' direct editorializing. The misogyny and irrational worldview is one thing when coming from a character who's only one or two of an entire cast, quite another when Sim is metaphorically hitting folks over the head with them in the lettercols and editorials.

So yes, I recommend Cerebus. It has several major 'dead points' in the storytelling, but even with those it's still worth the read. And the good parts are so brilliantly good they overshadow the flaws. In particular, "Church and State", "Jaka's Story", "High Society," "Guys" and "Rick's Story" are masterpieces in and of themselves. "Going Home" had some brilliant moments. But the sections of any book where he attempts to reconstruct/deconstruct other writers are best skimmed over. In one of the issues above, Sim said he ran out of steam and wished he'd been able to stop around 250 issues. Having read them all, I agree. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284603#Comment_284603 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284603#Comment_284603 Wed, 23 Feb 2011 05:59:56 -0800 Corey Waits
Thanks for that. By the 'usual suspects' I meant Fishpond, Bookdepository and a couple of LCS websites - I tend to avoid Amazon because shipping to the antipodes is usually too much for me to justify. If Amazon has them I'm not sure why the other big book sellers don't. But yeah, looking at that other link, I really can't afford them any time soon. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284620#Comment_284620 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284620#Comment_284620 Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:06:16 -0800 tmcd02 Church and State, but I don't remember the others. Can one read the collections out of order? I don't think they had Volume 1; they had four or five volumes that mostly weren't in order. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284633#Comment_284633 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284633#Comment_284633 Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:49:30 -0800 joe.distort
so i think he punishes himself quite enough/appropriately. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284642#Comment_284642 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284642#Comment_284642 Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:36:33 -0800 Jim Moore
Gerhard's backgrounds are well worth the price of admission alone. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284649#Comment_284649 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284649#Comment_284649 Wed, 23 Feb 2011 14:56:45 -0800 Carla Speed McNeil Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284688#Comment_284688 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284688#Comment_284688 Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:47:24 -0800 -3- (Not just the current president, and not just the president) ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284712#Comment_284712 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284712#Comment_284712 Thu, 24 Feb 2011 02:45:39 -0800 iaviv Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284738#Comment_284738 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284738#Comment_284738 Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:01:57 -0800 Carla Speed McNeil Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284746#Comment_284746 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284746#Comment_284746 Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:19:20 -0800 scs Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284747#Comment_284747 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284747#Comment_284747 Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:20:04 -0800 William Joseph Dunn






the pages that Cerebus is drunk always have some great lettering work. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284759#Comment_284759 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284759#Comment_284759 Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:09:45 -0800 warrenellis Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284766#Comment_284766 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284766#Comment_284766 Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:00:45 -0800 William Joseph Dunn weight. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284772#Comment_284772 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284772#Comment_284772 Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:11:11 -0800 Carla Speed McNeil Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284788#Comment_284788 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284788#Comment_284788 Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:52:01 -0800 Jim Moore Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284899#Comment_284899 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284899#Comment_284899 Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:22:11 -0800 iaviv Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284908#Comment_284908 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=284908#Comment_284908 Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:28:05 -0800 HEY APATHY! It’s not about agreeing or disagreeing with Sim. The author (and artist)’s life is irrelevant. It’s about the work and the work on Cerebus is astounding. It lives, it breathes, it makes you laugh and it pisses you off.


this is how I feel also, very nicely put. The project itself is an incredibly unproduced auteur examination brilliant in it's existence maybe more so than in it's content or values ... but I hate the fact that my large volumes always fall apart! church and state is scattered in chunks throughout my book shelf right now. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=285832#Comment_285832 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=285832#Comment_285832 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 17:05:44 -0800 King Crabclaw Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=285892#Comment_285892 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=285892#Comment_285892 Sun, 06 Mar 2011 13:42:37 -0800 alexwilson
It's funny that, once Sim moved to lettering digitally, he picked Comicraft's Joe Kubert as his go to font. It's great, it plays well with others, and it's one of my defaults, but it's also almost designed to not draw attention to itself... the opposite of his dynamic hand lettering.

Judenhass ached for more interesting, noncomputer lettering, I thought. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=285898#Comment_285898 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=285898#Comment_285898 Sun, 06 Mar 2011 14:27:03 -0800 lampcommander
I love Cerebus and I think it's one of the highest achievements in comics. If and when (because it's already starting to happen) comics are given serious study in the academic study, Cerebus will be one of the required reads, so I think a serious lover of comics would do well to read the whole thing, even if they don't like it.

I for one do find that there are slow spots and parts that I don't like, but overall think it's beautiful...and fucking funny. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=285907#Comment_285907 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=285907#Comment_285907 Sun, 06 Mar 2011 15:31:59 -0800 Sketchbrooke Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=285970#Comment_285970 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=285970#Comment_285970 Mon, 07 Mar 2011 10:49:48 -0800 HEY APATHY! (Sim) made arrangements for the copyright of Cerebus to fall into the public domain following his death.["

thought this was neat (if it's true), Cerebus is a wild entity ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=287913#Comment_287913 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=287913#Comment_287913 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:55:03 -0700 Rantz
However, being as he had no editor, the work loses the 'thread' at times, wanders around in the weeds, then comes back and reminds you for 10 issues what a powerhouse Dave can be.

Dave as a person is "complex". There are times he has been incredibly kind, gracious, and giving to me, and times that I've seen him display behavior that is in direct contradiction to the public perception of "That crazy Dave Sim guy". It doesn't, however, remove the things he's said/done that has caused people to draw that conclusion.

Cerebus though, for it's flaws, is an unmatched work. Both historically (what it did, when it did it) and as a complete work. It (and one of Scott McCloud's pages from Zot) are the only pages from a comic that I've ever purchased. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=287936#Comment_287936 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=287936#Comment_287936 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:11:32 -0700 mbakunin Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288123#Comment_288123 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288123#Comment_288123 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 07:33:49 -0700 Finagle Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288125#Comment_288125 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288125#Comment_288125 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 07:40:17 -0700 Greasemonkey Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288126#Comment_288126 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288126#Comment_288126 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 07:43:19 -0700 Finagle write themselves in as a character and/or engage in long chunks of raw didactic essay plopped into the middle of a storyline. No quoting of Foucault's "What is an Author" needed here, really. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288818#Comment_288818 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288818#Comment_288818 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:45:03 -0700 Aaron Wilder
I enjoyed Cerebus without thinking too much about Dave Sim the person. I'm sure there are creators that I love in all media that I would cringe in their presence as well as creators I'd enjoy having dinner with whose work I didn't enjoy. The work itself was enjoyable and pretty to look at while making me think a little. That's all I can ask of anything anybody creates. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288827#Comment_288827 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288827#Comment_288827 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:21:30 -0700 Jay Kay
1. I've never been much into fantasy. I enjoy reading Conan stories, Gaiman plays with those concepts well, and Fables barely counts as such to me, but other then that, I just can never get into anything that has wizards and magic and stuff.

2. While I can read authors who's opinions I don't completely agree with, the way that I've always heard it, Cerebus literally became solely about his horrific views on women after a while, and if I wanted to see extended monologues about how all women are talentless, soul-sucking cunts, I can just go to the seedier side of the internet for free. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288890#Comment_288890 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288890#Comment_288890 Fri, 01 Apr 2011 08:31:19 -0700 Doctor Pockets Cerebus literally became solely about his horrific views on women after a while
No it didn't. ]]> Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288918#Comment_288918 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=288918#Comment_288918 Fri, 01 Apr 2011 11:20:40 -0700 Jay Kay Cerebus by Dave Sim & Gerhard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=289031#Comment_289031 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3456&Focus=289031#Comment_289031 Sat, 02 Apr 2011 02:56:08 -0700 iaviv I've never been much into fantasy.
It's also not really fantasy, it's a lot of things. So both of your points are off mark. Just give it a read and see for yourself. I would recommend reading the first two books, as the first one's no indication. ]]>