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    Hell, they should be growing hemp everywhere. It's easy to grow and it has many good uses besides hallucinogenics.

    Anyway, nice, moody first week. I definitely get a calm-before-the-shitstorm vibe here.
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      CommentAuthor-Sam-
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2008
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    Sounds like Whitechapel is going places,
    I like the nice play between the characters, the sense of camaraderie and a glimpse at more of the angels past and how the community has come to be.
    Any plans to market Tea Wine?
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      CommentAuthorWaxPoetic
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2008 edited
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    Yay for Friday and everything's the color of sunsets and fall.

    I particularly enjoyed Caz's face and the recognition that it sucks but more please. Also, that the entire conversation revolves around why decisions were made about survival in Whitechapel and how they weren't based on decisions that ended up being made manifest - the Freakangels haven't left. yet. and from what there is to see, there is a sense of being dug in - though the state of the buildings would suggest more of a sense of "we'll get to it later" than what we've seen of the community and how prepared folks are and how they do work together. I hadn't really thought about that dichotomy in relation to this story and what we are seeing of the city and the world. Now that I have, I must go back and re-read it all. oh. the horror.

    Paul, Warren & Ariana - wonderful, beautiful and a joy as always.

    Fall has landed here early and we are all watching for relevant info on the weather and the elections and Huskers football and I haven't threatened any of the college student morons with eternal pain or worse as yet. We are all (at least of the 'all' that I know) sending good thoughts to the south of us.
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    I really want an explanation of last line of the last page from this week.

    Bated breath waiting for next week...
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    AND BECAUSE WE NEVER ACTED LIKE WE WERE STAYING, WE MIGHT HAVE JUST ENSURED THAT MORE OF THEM ARE GOING TO DIE.

    Simple: they made Whitechapel safe enough that people started having kids. But because they never laid in a real infrastructure -- if they leave, now whole families, die, not just the original survivors they found. Yes?
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      CommentAuthorrickiep00h
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2008
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    @warrenellis

    I took it to mean that everyone had become complacent and therefore anyone that wanders in would feel that they, too, would be simply taken care of by some benevolent force. But hey, you wrote it. I can't really argue with the guy that wrote it.

    Well, I could, but I think it would move me higher up The List.
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    Tea wine - been there, done that. It was awful. Not as bad as peapod wine admitedly (that stuff stripped the enamel off your teeth) but still pretty fucking bad.
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    Simple: they made Whitechapel safe enough that people started having kids. But because they never laid in a real infrastructure -- if they leave, now whole families, die, not just the original survivors they found. Yes?

    For how clever they are, the FreakAngels tend to not think things through very well, do they?
    I mean, they thought they were doing a good thing and somehow ended the world.
    They tried to make amends by saving some people and it sounds like it may not work out.
    This can't end well.

    By the way, are Caz and KK the only two with technical skills?
    Seems that would make them pretty important to the Non-FreakAngel, Whitechapel community.
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    tea wine would be awful as the tea would be stewed. However alchoholic iced tea would be ok, and G and Tea (milk no sugar) used to get me drunk in a most unusual way, try it some time, its either disgusting or amazing and i never could tell. My reaction was pretty much like theirs to tea wine.
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    i liked how real the conversation and setting appeared. it gave a sense of the mood of the story, accenting what was said
  8.  (3506.31)
    This line of thinking in this conversation reminds me of Octavia Butler’s Parable novels. But Freakangels is less depressing because it doesn’t feature a bunch of American Jesus freaks
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      CommentAuthorCamyLuna
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2008
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    I really liked how this one ended with the dark edges of responsibility creeping in. Although, if they left, where would they go? I guess that's not as important as believing that you have the freedom to leave if you want to leave.

    This week sucked for me. I had a minor medical thing which ended up in a bad reaction to a medication. At least I can keep down water as of yesterday, and today I was able to go to work. Still, I'll have to pass on the tea wine for now.
    • CommentAuthorNalos89
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2008
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    Yay! new freakangels on my birthday, awesome.
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      CommentAuthorAlastair
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2008
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    always excellent, getting sinisterereerer loves it


    also good lazy week, three day weekend
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      CommentAuthorShaunus4
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2008
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    Kenneth Boulding's “Dismal Theorem”:

    “If the only ultimate check on the growth of population is misery, then the population will grow until it is miserable enough to stop its growth.”

    KB's “Utterly Dismal Theorem”:

    “Any technical improvement can only relieve misery for a while, for so long as misery is the only check on population, the [technical] improvement will enable population to grow, and will soon enable more people to live in misery than before.
    The final result of [technical] improvements, therefore, is to increase the equilibrium population which is to increase the total sum of human misery.”

    Fortunately he concluded with “The moderately cheerful form of the Dismal Theorem”:

    “If something else, other than misery and starvation, can be found which will keep a prosperous population in check, the population does not have to grow until it is miserable and starves, and it can be stably prosperous.”
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      CommentAuthormanikmoon
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2008
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    Terrific, the old sit-around-drinking-dodgy-alcohol-and-discussing-making-amends-for-past-misdeeds!!
    Aint we all been there!!

    More tension in these pages than a frame full o' bloody flechettes!!
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      CommentAuthorBothmer
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2008
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    I'm not going to say anything because Winther put it so well...

    Dusk and candlelight makes for pretty comic. Still loving the leisurely pace this thing is moving at. Having six pages of people sitting and talking (and drinking horrible shit) be as interesting as giant dart-firing gatling guns is a talent that should not be underestimated, in either writer or artist. Lovely job, as usual.
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    Late arrival to Freakangels and Whitechapel. Lured by Warren's Twitter link to the most recent episode, and quickly caught up. Now, I'm afraid, I will develop those Freakangel Friday junkie sweats. It's interesting how a story set in an arguably dismal world brightened what was, for me, an otherwise dismal week. Eagerly awaiting the print volume.

    And I, too, echo and applaud Winther's excellent post about the comic. This is how it should be done.
    • CommentAuthorwhiteeye
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2008
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    Yet another great episode, I bow before the awesome talent of Warren and Paul! Purely by chance, I found myself listening to Solitary Shell by Dream Theater when I was reading the episode, and it seemed the best possible match. You know, sometimes I think winamp can sense what I am reading and comes up with the best song in the library to fit what I'm reading and my general state of mind.

    On a different note, it's 8.30 on a monday evening and all is well here in Norway. The autumn is really kicking in now, I can't wait for winter to arrive!
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    Simple: they made Whitechapel safe enough that people started having kids. But because they never laid in a real infrastructure -- if they leave, now whole families, die, not just the original survivors they found. Yes?


    yes, and because for some reason this still seems to be causing some confusion, even after the author himself has laid it out there for you, it bears hammering home that it's all about what a lack of infrastructure (or conversely, introducing power, etc ) in a community means: can't have more than a field hospital without some kind of electricity, can't produce food/goods/etc en masse without it, etc. And without those things, as the population increases on what we're seeing is very limited land mass, you'll see death. The ol' catch-22 being that it makes you more of a target. welcome to the modern world, the workings of terror, and all of that whathaveyou. I really loved this installment - it brings to light a lot of what some of my favorite Warren books don't: that old chestnut of great power and great responsibility.

    Warren has a lot of (sometimes would-be) enlightened despots in his fold: those who do what they want, because they see it as being what is truly Right; and not just Right but Correct - the only One Answer for a reasonable mind to choose (see the Authority, see Black Summer, see Transmet, see Planetary, see most of it). And I love that, because I think I know what would be Correct in this world also, and it's always interesting to see how his characters just sort of swoop in and usurp or pontificate, and what the consequences/reactions end up being. Freakangels seems to be taking a more exploratory look at the behind the scenes decision-making process of it all (and while all of those examples above show the ultimate result of this behavior, I'm really looking forward to minute exploration on the topic of super-beings governing justly). And this episode was great for that. They're really weighing options, and I'm sure will continue to struggle with that throughout the series. I'm looking forward to it, and this post sounds pretty right-wingish, but I can swear to you that it isn't. "uneasy lies the head that wears a crown," and all of that. That's the real point.

    Somewhat separate note: Anybody read Sam Harris's OpEd piece in the LA Times about Sarah Palin? He also wrote a follow-up that a friend fwd'd to me in an email. I'd be happy to pass it on or post it someplace if anyone wants it.

    Mind-blowing stuff. I fear for us all. Any chance Spider or a filthy assistant can return to weigh in on November's ticking Doowsday Clock?