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  1.  (364.61)
    Has anyone here seen Night Watch?

    My girlfriend speaks Russian fluently and between that and subtitles we still had nary a fucking clue.

    It's about the pretty and the visuals, story is pretty ancillary.

    Millar's said quite a bit he likes what they did with the story. If you trust Scottish people. Which you shouldn't.
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2008
    Well as part of the unwashed masses who didn't realise it was a comic and just ate up the trailer as it was the first for the summer blockbusters he saw this year, it gets a good 8 out of 10 for making me sit up and pay attention, wonder what the hell the movie is, make me want to watch it, and go find the trailer and play it back several times to review it all in detail. Angelina Jolie is the draw, plain and simple, James McAvoy is a bit 'meh' and Morgan Freeman is always worth watching even if playing what appears to be the kindly boss is a bit to retreading the boards for me.

    As for continuity between comic and film, it's been on the forums a load of times - a ninety to 120 minute movie just can't compact down a big series. It might fit in Ocean perhaps, but that was only a miniseries. The choice is always to restructure around the main story arc, dump a load of side plots and remember the Russell T. Davies principle - you're aiming it at the mainstream. The only real exceptions are when your backers have more money than sense and you're producing a series of movies. Or when you have no backers and are doing it all on a shoestring budget.
  2.  (364.63)
    If you trust Scottish people. Which you shouldn't.

    Whitechapel's Scottish residents excluded I hope.
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2008
    Whitechapel's Scottish residents excluded I hope.

    You haven't met Will Couper's Beard.
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    Whitechapel's Scottish residents excluded I hope.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, the king of Scotland.

  4.  (364.66)
    that was the reverend doctor field marshall Idi Amin Dada, self-proclaimed king of Scotland.
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    Thank you for Scotch, Sean Connery and Grant Morrison.

    Now, please stay behind Hadrian's wall, and don't make any sudden movements.
  6.  (364.68)
    it's not Connery it's Canary.

    (old scots joke)
  7.  (364.69)
    @ harchangel

    Thank you for posting the Russian trailer. I'm sold now.

    The American trailers make it look sort of lame ("What if no one told you bullets went straight?"... The Matrix, this ain't), but the Russian trailer shows stuff that makes it closer in spirit to the comic (which is purely about audacity and baiting its audience) and shows off exactly what I want from a Timur Bekmambetov film about people shooting each other.
      CommentAuthorJay Kay
    • CommentTimeMay 26th 2008

    Yep, I did read your comic book flatulence. :)

    I understand and agree with most of what you're saying (even Eminem and Halle Berry), the only problem is not using the supervillian aspect.

    It's impossible to me to think of the book without the supervillian aspect. That's the HOOK to the story and what makes it actually interesting to comic readers at the time and what would interest people in the movie. The book was a blurring of the lines--not good vs. evil, but bad vs. worse. In my experience, we've NEVER had a movie that was completely about the supervillians. That idea in and of itself is what would stop it from being a "stupid comic book movie" (and to me that phrase is a load of shit--you don't say "stupid book movie" or "stupid TV-based movie" as easily, do you?).

    What the movie does, is water it down into something completely ordinary. Seriously, how many times have we seen the movie about the assassin with the heart of gold saving the world from bad people?

    That's why I'm not interested in this movie--because it's not the book at all. It's lost it's hook.
  8.  (364.71)

    Thanks for reading. ;)

    I didn't mean I'd want it to be about assassins fighting for the good of mankind.

    I'd still like The Fraternity to have their hand in every aspect of society in a selfish way. I'd still wanna see Wesley going on a rampage; killing his old bullies and cops! You're right, the hook to the comic book was supervillians and thats how I like it. I'd just prefer watching it without hearing the word super.

    It does seem that the producers didn't want that word used as well; but they went way too far with making this not a comic book movie. They almost could have just written the adaptation and passed it off as their own work. It seems they adapted Wanted just to help them sell the premise to the studio (because execs have a hard on for anything comic book these days.)

    The "stupid comic book movie" thing isn't a load of shit to me quite yet. No one says "stupid book movie" because thousands of movies have been based on books since the dawn of cinema. Plus, the fact that something is based off a book is never advertised unless the book was a bestseller. Comic book movies are few and far between in the grand scale, plus comic book movies seem to be the only blockbuster effects films being developed these days.
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2008
    I think WANTED is one of the best works Millar has ever graced us with.

    I was only lukewarm to the trailers until I saw the Russian Redband one. I loved Nightwatch and was afraid the director took a too mainstream unexciting look to Wanted. Then I saw the Russian trailer. No worries anymore. It'll be different from the comic because no one's walking around in costumes and the like, but I do believe they'll keep true to the story.

    Incidentally I would have totally cast Rosario Dawson over Angelina Jolie, but that's the Fanboy in me.

    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2008
    Hold on - so the movie won't be Citizen Kane? Well then I'm not going.
  9.  (364.74)
    @ orwellseyes: As soon as your back's turned you're going to rue those comments.

    I didn't like 'Wanted'. Mainly it was the hollow nastiness of the series that I found off-putting. For me a move away from the comic would be welcome.

    Still not that interested in seeing it, mind you.

    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2008 edited
    @ orwellseyes: As soon as your back's turned you're going to rue those comments.

    Are you threatening me with a buggering?

    Frankly, I'm shocked. Mainly that you warned me, usually Scotsman don't go for that kind of romance.
  10.  (364.76)
    @ orwellseyes: It's a myth that Scotsmen have no sense of romance.

  11.  (364.77)
    This is what Mark Millar said after seeing Wanted:

    “I was sitting alone in the screening room watching it, and the whole time I’m thinking, Please don’t suck! I actually couldn’t enjoy it for the first 40 minutes because I kept thinking, OK, this is where the good stuff stops and it starts getting shitty, but the director maintained it all the way through. He brought real weight to it. Even the shots at times are exactly like [the original book]. On set it was like walking around the panels of the comic. And the voice-over is exactly the captions from the comic. So I’m actually quite stunned, because I was thinking about the movie as a separate entity and I was pleased with how much it matches up.

    Originally, it was like being a sperm donor. Giving this thing up, I just provided the sperm. It was going to take on a life of its own, as far as I was concerned. But this was kind of like meeting up with the kid years later and we look identical and we run the same course. [Laughs.] It’s great.”
    • CommentAuthordkostis
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2008 edited
    "It's impossible to me to think of the book without the supervillian aspect. That's the HOOK to the story and what makes it actually interesting to comic readers at the time and what would interest people in the movie." -DarkKnightJRK

    The role reversal of making the central character and story focus on the supervillians isn't the primary hook.Although it may have been the draw for many comic fans, the costumes and powers are part of the setting. All the dopplegangers, homages and in jokes could be taken as fan service but this comic also sold to a lot of people who don't normally buy superhero books.

    The story hook is the revenge/power fantasy. Take me out of my mundane life, make me into an unstoppable bastard. Then let me loose on everybody who ever screwed me over and anybody else who gets in my way. A fantasy the main character, the new Killer, carries out for us to it's inevitable nihilistic end.

    Eventually the Killer reaches a point where he realises he has nothing to lash out at.After he's killed everything in his life he hates he has nothing left of himself.Just destroying things because he believes it is expected has taken him back to the life he hates. A hollow, empty existence where he goes through the motions of living. This is when he starts to make real choices and starts to live his own life rather than our fantasies.

    That's the point of the last two pages.We can't fuck with his life anymore it belongs to him.Now it's his turn to fuck with us.
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2008
    like hmobius, i had no idea this was based on a comic, but the trailer looked hilariously stupid and made me think the movie had a reasonable chance of being awesome (though not much chance of being good). i'll probly wait till after the movie comes out to read the comic, but as far as faithfulness in general i'm much more concerned about whether they make a good movie than an accurate translation.

    The only Iron Man story I've read is Warren's Extremis so I have no idea how accurate the recent movie was for the rest of the comic, but I enjoyed it a lot because of Robert Downey Jr and Jeff Bridges. Batman Begins was great because of Nolan and Bale; the fact that I'd read and enjoyed Year One beforehand was a bonus, not a requirement. I love Killing Joke and Arkham Asylum but I'd still be psyched for Dark Knight if i'd never heard of either, simply because of Heath Ledger joining Nolan's vision. The themes in the X-men movies might well have mirrored exactly those in the comic (again, can't really comment) but the hamfisted PREJUDICE = BAD message got old quickly.
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2008
    oh, and orwellseyes, I predict:

    Doctor McDougal. In the Glen. With the Caber.