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    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2007
    Best report on fox ever
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    Brand, if that video had laughs in the background, I would swear it was an SNL parody. Unbelievable.
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    Thats a local fox affiliate station (as in not Fox news, just some metro news desk on a random channel) isn't it? Local stations tend to be a joke in general.
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2007
    Calling someone a jingoistic ,xenophobic,sexist ,homophobic and the very worst insult of all racist is the modern versions of the words heretic and infidel or blasphemer.

    Apologies Unsub, my last post was something of a rant, and I think I should clarify. Haven't seen enough Fox News to comment fairly on that, but I have read the (Murdoch owned) Sun frequently enough to know state confidently that many of the opinions it puts out there are all of the things quoted above. However, it was not my intention to ascribe these qualities to even the large majority of Sun readers themselves, who I think are at least smart enough to form a less extreme, negotiated reading of that particular news source. I've met some really nice people who also happen to read the Sun, and I'm sure the same can be said of Fox viewers. Neither was it my intention to characterise all conservatives as jingoistic ,xenophobic,sexist ,homophobic or racist. There are plenty of intelligent, articulate conservatives out there, and plenty of intelligent, articulate news sources too, the Murdoch - owned Times being a good example.

    As for using terms like racist or homophobic, I'd disagree that these are 'ultimate sins' anyway. People can hold views that I might happen to find extremely distasteful, but I can appreciate that holding those views doesn't rule them out as a productive member of a society who makes an overall positive contribution to the world around them. What I do find problematic is people having sensationalised versions of their own opinions sold back to them under the guise of absolute truth.
    • CommentAuthorKosmopolit
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2007
    "When a Christian does something they think is wrong they ask forgiveness and are forgiven but the liberals don't have any method so every transgression is considered a totally evil act much like the way the Puritans thought."

    Funny I thought liberals were supposed to be total moral relativists capable of rationalising anything.
    • CommentAuthorarcanealso
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2007
    The problem is, yes, Yellow journalism. There's too much of it here in America, and it's the reason that most of my friends don't actually know what's going on in the world. We got sick of listening to Fox's opinion of CNN's opinion. Those being the major outlets, we come to not trust in anything in the media. We're clueless, because we don't know who to listen to. So we hear war stories from friends or relatives coming back and we're completely surprised.

    The point is: we're so afraid of being lied to that we just don't listen.
    • CommentAuthorKosmopolit
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2007
    "We're clueless, because we don't know who to listen to."

    The BBC, either the World Service or the cable news channel, while imperfect is way better than either Fox or CNN.

    Me I listen to all of them then make my mind up.
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2007
    Okay, wait wait wait wait...

    What does Lindsay Lohan have to say about all of this? That's what I want to know. Fuck Fox, I'm just gonna get my news from VH1.
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    God, you know, I know CNN is bad, but are we talking totally useless here, or just "biased" or what? I watch it in the mornings on the way to work.
    • CommentAuthorKosmopolit
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2007
    The evolution of an American cable news story:

    Fox: All Democrats eat babies.

    CNN: Well maybe not ALL Democrats.

    Fox: See even CNN admits some Democrats eat babies.

    Basically, CNN is centre-right to begin with but they're terrified of being branded as left-wing or unpatriotic.

    So they let Fox set the news agenda and then try to appear balanced and neutral by adopting an editorial stance just barely to the left of Fox.
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2007
    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    I didn't mean to single you out like that Curb it's just your rant had all the best descriptive terms in it. Actually there is a lot of truth in those as well.
    I think that every generation has always thought that they were the first to be rational and that all the people before were ignorant so I am reasonably sure that future generations will look at us the same way. I consider myself a socialist libertarian(so pretty much everyone disagrees with me)where individuals have total freedom so long as it does not interfere with someone else but with a social safety net and strict controls on big corporations. If anything is going to solve the worlds problems it will be enlightened self interest not unlimited free enterprise.
    • CommentTimeDec 30th 2007
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2008
    it's 'Musharraf', people.
    • CommentAuthorGuy
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2008
    <blockquote>Keep in mind many Americans have no idea that Al Jazeera is credible and consider them to be some sort of terrorist news service. There was actual anger when they expanded to some US cable services with their English language broadcast.</blockquote>

    You are aware Al Jazeera has been banned from commenting on Saudi Arabia? By its owner. AJ is only as credible as its boss allows it to be (though actually it isn't bad). Anyway the whole thing is collapsing now with a pretty large part of their budget being taken away and journos pouring out of the country to try and get their BBC jobs back (see the most recent issue of <em>Private Eye</em>).

    Anyway, all the news channels are biased in some manner. I don't watch CNN because it makes me feel like I'm back in the 1980's but the BBC has more than a hint of bias (c.f. the Quana controversy, the Guantanamo Britons, any coverage to do with the EU, making Bhutto out as some kind of ultra-democrat feminist, the traditional annual Che Guevra love-in etc.) The BBC is one of the best and the one I watch mostly but its still biased, in fact they are all biased (and here I'll mention Hezbollah TV, the twisted love child of Fox). And neither CNN, Fox or the Beeb really cover Iraq at all well.

    The best news is via the interwebby.

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