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    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2007 edited
    I like the idea of Tapeworm, but there are just too many egos conflicting in a situation like that.

    At least we have Pailhead!
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    Speaking of Reznor - Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D is out now... sounds quite good imho.
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    "V is for Vagina is good fun. It's not groundbreaking art by any means, but it's a side of Maynard's musical inclinations that aren't represented in Tool."

    Yeah, I've had a listen now. The music has a really nice texture to it, but the songs never really go anywhere.

    "Speaking of Reznor - Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D is out now... sounds quite good imho."

    :) I'm looking forward to getting it!
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2007
    I used to buy every NIN release the day it came out, but Year Zero and [AWITHA_TEETHA] have been pretty lacklustre. I have been hearing good things about the new remix album though. Is it better than the one from The Fragile? I'm not holding my breath expecting it to be as good as Further Down The Spiral or anything...
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2007
    turing: The Year Zero remix album is much better than the Fragile's. It really breaks the mode of the industrial remix album, especially with the Saul Williams "remix" kicking everything off. But I am also a big fan of Year Zero, so perhaps my fondness for the original colors my fondness for the remixes.
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2007
    I just registered for the site and found that multitracks for two Saul Williams songs are available. Shall I try my untalented hand at remixing "Banged and Blown Through?"

    Yes. Yes, I shall.
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    turing, what didn't you like about <em>Year Zero</em>? I thought it was one of the best reinventions from Reznor since <em>Broken</em>. On that note, <em>Fixed</em> is still the best remix album of the band.
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    @turing Yeah, I have to agree with the return consensus on Year Zero I'm afraid, it's one of my preferred NIN albums now.

    I have to say though I'm a Fragile person myself. Mr 'Behold the Rug' Reznor will have to do something very special to top that for me.
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2007
    Year Zero just didn't do it musically for me, at least compared to the likes of The Downward Spiral and The Fragile. It sounds too much like an album put together by one guy on his laptop -- which it mostly is. And it's full of songs that seem to have a lot of potential but then don't go anywhere: The end of God Given sounds like it's starting to build to something awesome, like the breakdown at the end of Closer -- and then it abruptly ends. The end of the opening track, "Hyperpower!" breaks down into an awesome static crunch that could have segued into something cool, but instead it just ends and the next song starts with a generic drumbeat. (And really, if you're going to call a song "HYPERPOWER!", give us something more than "Pilgrimage Part II", please.) Zero-Sum takes would could be a great quiet closing track and fills it up with crunchy laptop percussion loops. And there are a bunch of songs, like "The Greater Good" and "Another Version of the Truth", which just go nowhere. There are some great moments: God Given, In This Twilight, and My Violent Heart in particular, but overall I found it a very unsatisfying album. And the vocal mix doesn't do any favours to Reznor's aging voice. Reznor has never been the best lyricist, but he used to be able to scream passionately enough that he could more than get away with it. And then there's the whole concept-album thing, which really didn't seem to amount to much. Or maybe it did, I had rather lost interest in the online marketing game by the time the album came out -- whatever happened with that?

    But hey, your mileage may vary.

    And It's not a terrible album by any means, it's just that he's shown in the past that he can do so much better. The Downward Spiral casts a hell of a shadow.
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    Fair enough. I was also dubious about his move from the more organic sounds of Downward Spiral and The Fragile, but once I started thinking of it as a different type of music, and made an effort not to compare all the time, the album really shone by itself I think. Personally, I'm glad he's not trying to 'recapture' his earlier work, since it's bound to fail.
    I agree partially though, some of the depth and complexity of his music has been lost, and I'm really not a fan of his straight up 'rock' tracks like Beginning of the End. I'm not so sure about the vocals lacking though. They're different in mode, but just as sharply delivered, with a great sense of timing. Once again, if his voice isn't capable of reproducing the raw feel of earlier albums, I'm glad he's working with its current strengths and not trying and failing to do what it used to.
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    Year Zero feels like an extremely poppy album. The thing that makes it stand out in the sea of poppy albums that have consistently been released over the past few years, is that it's an interesting and original pop album.

    You can't compare it to The Downward Spiral because (for my money) he reinvented the wheel with that album. To 90% of NIN fans that have been there since that era, nothing is ever going to compare to that album.

    Personally, my favorite album is The Fragile. Yeah, I'm one of those guys.
    • CommentTimeDec 9th 2007
    good lord, this looks like fun. thanks for posting the link. and, yeah, if they ever post raw tracks from "The Downward Spiral," you won't see me outside my house for weeks.

    (the first thing I'm going to do is a NIN/Curve mashup, which I won't be able to post to the site, but should be personally satisfying...)
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    Year Zero didn't do it for me, i dunno why specifically, but i just couldn't get into it. (Fragile remains my fav album of all time).

    I nabbed a Tapeworm torrent a few weeks back, it might still be up. there were a couple songs that were good, some i had heard years back, but alot of it sounded like crap.(imo).

    I am glad Trent put up the multi tracks, something i wish more artists would do.

    V is for Vagina - Great. It definitely grew on me, now i could listen to it all day.
    • CommentTimeDec 9th 2007
    See, I like how YZ feels more like the soundtrack to a living breathing world than an actual NiN album, particularly how a lot of the sounds come from other sources. "Beginning of the End" sounds like a spoof of a U2 song, "My Violent Heart" is for all the world a Public Enemy song, "Zero Sum" is a Gospel-tinged requiem, shit like that.

    Musically, can it stand up to older NiN? Not to my mind. But as a big part of a larger story, it's fantastic.
    • CommentTimeDec 9th 2007
    "My Violent Heart" is for all the world a Public Enemy song

    no kidding? I may have to listen to that one again.

    I latched onto "The Good Soldier," "Another Version of the Truth" and "Capital G" and haven't listened to the others since.
      CommentAuthorAlan Tyson
    • CommentTimeDec 9th 2007 edited
    The individual songs on Year Zero I thought were fantastic, but Turing has a point that it doesn't flow terribly well. Perhaps Reznor didn't worry about that, knowing most people would probably just stick it on their iPods anyway?

    Interestingly - Hyperpower! seques perfectly into The Good Solider - I just noticed this by putting the album on random to test this theory.

    I think the story of the album, at least how I interpreted it, was very well-told, as it's definitely a soundtrack. Zero-Sum is, essentially, the ending credits song. The movie? I guess you might call it The Human Race.

    Now, I'm a fairly new NIN fan, so I don't have the rock-hard love for the Downward Spiral days, and this undoubtedly colors my perception of the album, as Year Zero is the only full album I have - I've got a smattering of songs from Downward Spiral, With Teeth, and the song on The Crow soundtrack. Oh, and I'm Afraid of Americans, the song he did with David Bowie, which jumps back and forth between awesome and hilarious so that I can't tell which one it ultimately is.
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Year Zero is The Downward Spiral for the human race; rather than being about a single person's descent into dissolution, it's about the human race's end, going through all the stages, stripping everything away, until we're left naked, alone, facing the end with nothing but our regrets.

    Wow. Now I'm depressed.

    I'd be remiss if I didn't recommend the Year Zero websites, even though they've already been passed around like Lindsey Lohan at a coke party. Start here.
    • CommentAuthortmofee
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    I'm the same... I didnt like With Teeth, apart from the odd song on that album (All the love in the world is still one of my favourite songs of his), but year zero... Wow.... The whole website thing was too much for me, but a large majority of the album is brilliant. Trent sitting on a laptop making this album? Let's be honest, Nine Inch Nails IS Trent. The technology available now just means Trent doesn't have to hire musos until its touring time..

    Speaking of NIN ex-musos, what ever happened to Richard Patrick? Are Filter still together?? I have to admit, I loved Title of Record back in the day..
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    New Filter album next year. For the last few years Patrick has been working on getting sober and doing some other projects, Specifically Army of Anyone with the brothers from STP.
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    you guys are gonna make me listen to year zero again.... I feel like i missed something.