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    well i figured in light of the humungously obnoxious twilight comming out recently. i was wondering which fictional incarnation of the fanged blooduckers do you prefer? vampires are awesome... when done right.

    personally i always liked lumley's necroscope wamphyri, the guy is absolutely depraved and his vampires are cruel, petty, scheming, violent, and utterly irredemable. no sappy love stories of lonely jackasses who live for centuries and can't find a girlfriend so they hang out at high schools and pick up vapid 17 year olds. i also liked they way he didn't really go the fantasy route and stuck to more fantastical science fiction. and the sort of lovecraftian edge everything he wrote has.

    faethor ferenczy is a bad motherfucker.
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      CommentAuthorbrycemidas
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2008
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    Matheson's "vampires" in I Am Legend are probably the scariest fucking things I can think of. Why does Will Smith insist on consistently ruining my childhood? Perhaps it's because he's now a parent and...Parents Just Don't Understand?
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      CommentAuthorJay Kay
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2008
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    The vampires in I Am Legend are pretty good.

    Altogether, I think the best version I've read is the vamps in Charlie Huston's Joe Pitt Casebook.
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    Why does Will Smith insist on consistently ruining my childhood? Perhaps it's because he's now a parent and...Parents Just Don't Understand?

    hahahahahaha, beautifuly done.

    and this thread made me realize that i dont think i have a favorite depiction of a vampire. call me snobby, but i think the wide variety of representations is pretty interesting and i like most different takes.
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      CommentAuthorgraelignites
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2008 edited
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    @Brycemidas
    I agree, I was excited for years every time I heard they were getting closer to what they claimed was a "more faithful" adaptation of Matheson's original. It had the potential to be dark and gritty but with the kind of twisted heart the book had. I won't go as far as to say the movie sucked because it was better than much of the horrible drivel that chances upon film, but the ending did give a big "fuck you" to the entire moral point of the novel, and the film just missed on the horror angle. The Steve Niles adaptation was much better.
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      CommentAuthorJay Kay
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2008
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    Yeah, the movie was pretty good in and of itself (mostly from Smith's performance), but it did pretty much miss the point of the book. Though, I will say that the original ending they were going to have would have made it fairly close to that point, I think.
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    I actually like Anne Rice's early vampire stuff, for fluffy before-bedtime reading. Never found them scary though. Just interesting. I liked the vampires in 30 days of Night -the book- but they seemed too 'loud' to me in their film incarnation. I like the idea of bloodsuckers sneaking up on you and SWOOSHSPLAT getting ya with hardly a sound more than creatures that scream a lot.
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    Christopher Golden's Shadow Saga (Of Saints and Shadows, Angel Souls and Devil Hearts, Or Masques and Martyrs, The Gathering Dark - thought this last one drops the vampire theme a whole lot).

    I can't really recommend them enough. They're bloody and violent, the vampires are interesting and compelling, and then it all goes bat-shit insane towards the end of the first book and just explodes over the course of the next two books. Let's just say this: Jesus Christ was a vampire. How else did he get Lazarus out of the tomb?
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    @justineger I'll definitely have to find those!
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      CommentAuthorCOOP
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2008
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    Christopher Lee. All others pale (I know, I know) in comparison. Anne Rice and crap like The Lost Boys pretty much ruined vampires in movies. (I did like Coppola's Dracula, despite the fact that almost no one else did.)

    Modern vampire movie cliches that need a stake through the ol' pumper:

    1. All that gothy-lace doily-18th century decadent fop crap. Spare me.
    2. The vampire "monster face". You know, they turn all ugly, grow klingon foreheads and their eyebrows fall off, when they are about to attack. I think that started with the aforementioned Lost Boys. Knock it off.
    3. The obligatory Vampire Nightclub/Fetish Bar. Is that the first thing you want to do as a creature of the night, wear rubber and Doc Martens and listen to industrial/techno? Next.

    Now that I think about it, the whole vampire thing is pretty played out. Time for a moratorium, until there's a new, original take on bloodsucking, one that can then be squeezed of every last drop of interest by the hollywood shit machine.
    • CommentAuthorWakefield
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2008
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    The Ash Tree by M.R. James. Actually, it's more of a giant spider, which is sort of like an ugly vampire with bad table manners.

    And Guy de Maupassant's The Horla, which is an epistolary narrative and pretty good all in all so long as you can get over the narrator's bitching and moaning. It's allegedly one of Lovecraft's inspirations for Cthulu.
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      CommentAuthorCOOP
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2008
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    Thanks for the link to The Horla, that looks cool.
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      CommentAuthorallana
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2008
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    i keep bringing up Christopher Pike's The Last Vampire in response to any Twilight discussions. it's the same crap, right? a few vampires don't suck, try to reclaim their game from all the other vampires that still do suck, hilarity and teenage angst ensues.
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    @rootfiremember: Good luck. Of Saints and Shadows was out of print for the better part of a decade (I asked dozens of bookstore clerks to order it for me, only to get the "what a crazy kid with the nonexistent book" looks). It got reprinted when I was in college, about ten years ago, when Golden got around to finishing the original trilogy, but has since gone out of print again. They were fucking great reads, and I even found myself pining for them the other day. Then this thread came along, and now it seems I have to go back and reread them.

    To give you an idea, the first book followed a vampire P.I. who gets drawn into a Vatican conspiracy. As it turns out, Christ actually wrote a separate book of the Bible himself, dealing with the spells to control of all Shadow creatures, save for vampires, the Defiant Ones, and now the Vatican is using the Gospel of Shadows to summon demons and other nasty things to hunt down the vampires. Vampires decide to fight back, and things go crazy from there. So awesome...
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      CommentAuthorCamyLuna
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2008
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    I'm partial to the Anne Rice and Poppy Z. Brite vampires, but then again I grew up in New Orleans and the city really paired well with the mythology. The vampires in the movie Near Dark were done quite well and had some elegance in their dust and violence. I guess I want my vampires to sweat a little bit.
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    The version of the Dracula myth from "The Historian" really appealed to me. Dracula as mystery and historical puzzle. Most of the book is spent unlocking the folklore of Eastern Europe and the places where Muslim/Christian lore overlap. A good ripping yarn.

    There was a British tv show about 10 years back "Ultraviolet" that tackled vampires with a scientific approach (and apocalyptic, as the undead were looking to bring about a 'dieback' of humanity) that was also very smart.
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      CommentAuthorLazarus99
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2008
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    I know he's basically just Dracula, but Count Orloc's my favourite.
    • CommentAuthorsacredchao
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2008
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    Shadow of the Vampire was really cool. I dig Interview with the Vampire vampires because they aren't satan's little monsters, and are capable of fighting the beast. But I played a lot of Vampire: The Masquerade in high school, so I'm pretty much done with vampires at the moment, though Let the Right One In looks awesome.
    • CommentAuthorZJVavrek
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2008
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    Dracula, by Bram Stoker.

    The Count was mysterious. Wholly inhuman, upon close examination. Frighteningly intelligent, but with critical weaknesses to his way of thinking. I wish more vampire fiction showed them as unsympathetically as Stoker did. It was a startling change of pace when I first read Dracula. There's questions of who he is, what his motives are, sure, but they all serve to reinforce that he's a monster with infantile desires.
    • CommentAuthorEv
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2008
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    I agree with the general consensus on Matheson's "vampires". That book has left a permanent mark on my brain since my youth. I Am Legend-the movie- should be an example and learning exercise on how NOT to adapt a novel for the big screen. Unfortunately, the masses seemed to eat it and Twilight right up...
    Which leads me to my opinion below, on how a Vampire movie was done correctly, and it's a fucking CRIME this movie is not playing everyfuckingwhere...

    Let the Right One In is getting a lot of recognition as a sublime film, and rightly so. It is moving poetry and must be seen and taken in.

    If you've not yet read it then consider John Ajvide Lindqvist's novel the extended, extra-detailed version. It gives you a very frank, unforgiving-like the stark, snowy landscapes-point-of-view into the vampire mythos, as well as dealing with life at the age of 12.
    Oskar's(all the characters, in fact) inner dialogues are so heartbreaking and familiar. It stands on it's own and, in my opinion, adds a more compelling idea of Vampire than I think I've ever read. It's stripped down, fluid, visceral. It's, as Eli says so many times, just the way things are.

    Having said that I will add that Stephen King's 'Salem's Lot is another book that left it's mark on me.

    I will also stand by The Five of Cups, by Caitlin R. Kiernan. More dark and dingy than Poppy Z. Brite-though I did read her stuff too. Caitlin has made leaps and bounds as a writer since that novel.