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      CommentAuthorstsparky
    • CommentTimeDec 24th 2008
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    @ Brandon Cyphered You seen those movies with Chinese vampires who can't hop a short barrier? They always struck me as tragic monsters.
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    @stsparky: I saw Mr. Vampire, which is one of the classics. I thought it was quite a good time. The mythology behind them is really interesting to me too — the idea that they were originally corpses that Taoist priests taught to 'hop' to make them easier to transport back to their families, but who somehow got loose.

    A book I'm reading (the excellent Vampire Universe by Jonathan Maberry) claims that in some ways they're closer to the Dracula model than most folkloric vampires, in that they're afraid of daylight, they can't cross running water, and they can turn into wolves. And like most "vampires" worldwide, they're repelled or damaged by garlic.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeDec 25th 2008
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    For me, the most basic definition of a vampire should be "humanoid being that drains the vitality of others to maintain its existence." I think "humanoid" has to be in the definition because otherwise you get ticks, leeches and pretty much any natural parasite defined as vampires.

    Also, in case no one else has done it (and even if they have) I'd like to offer up Lance Henriksen's Jesse Hooker from "Near Dark" as a damn cool vampire. That movie was the first time I ever really thought about "lower class" vampires.
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      CommentAuthorkimieye
    • CommentTimeDec 25th 2008
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    @Brandon
    the Vietnamese vampires I refer too actually suck blood as well, however they prefer semen.

    And the Garlic thing comes from it being an antiseptic...if it kills invisible biting creatures (viruses, bacteria), why cant it kill fiends?

    There is another Asian vampire that is a Giant Floating Head and actually is credited with the cultivation of root vegetables.

    @Johnjones
    ooo...dust bowl vampires I think I saw that one on SciFi late one night
    • CommentAuthormlpeters
    • CommentTimeDec 25th 2008
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    @johnjones
    I should re-watch Near Dark again sometime... it's been years... um... 18 years, I think. I hope the DVD rental place in town has it, but if not they might still have the VHS and my VCR still works...
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    I always figured the garlic was somehow connected to mosquitos being repelled by garlic... works on one type of bloodfeeder, right?

    I'd have to say any creature, that was once human, and drains the life/strength of other creatures, in some form (bloodfeeding or otherwise), for it's own survival is a Vampire to me. I don't feel it has to be a bloodfeeding corpse for me to see it as a vampire, though those would fall into my requirements.

    I know there are a lot of tales of vampires being demons, thus not formerly human, but I tend to just think of those as a type of demon, not its own race.
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    My favourite literary vampire is Jack Agyar in Steven Brust's book AGYAR. Which would make my preferred literary vampire archetype to be rather like Dracula. Agyar fed off blood, hypnotized, carried with him a piece of petrified wood and could change into mist. Although the reason why it's my favourite vampire novel of all time is that the word vampire is not mentioned once. The closest Brust comes is strigoi. Also Jim the Ghost was stolen from Huck Finn. Jim's always been one of my favourite characters, and it was nice to see him again.

    AGYAR is the anti-Anne Rice vampire book, and all the better for it, IMO.

    edited to add the bold part, because it's quite important.
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    @ Indigo Rose: Hmm. repelling mosquitoes is a good point. Still, most folklorists seem to think it's garlic's blood-cleansing, medicinal properties that gave it its status as vampire-repellent. That's a common thing in folklore — things that repel disease also repel monsters. (All the Ancient Egyptian treatments for possession apparently involved honey, for instance — and honey is sterile, or antiseptic, or one o' them things.)

    There's also a motif in world folklore about supernatural creatures being driven away by strong sensory stimuli — loud or unpleasant noises (firecrackers in China, banging pots and pans elsewhere), powerful smells, stuff like that. So maybe garlic helps in that way, too.

    Also, I like your emphasis on vampires that were creatures that were once human. I think that, to me, is more important than them being "undead."
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    @shining lion - Thank you for bringing Agyar up! I love it when someone actually knows who Steven Brust is!
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      CommentAuthorstsparky
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2009
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    Aygar was a good book. Brust used to teach Tai Chi in the 80s near JPL Pasadena.
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    Indigo Rose:

    He's a local author, which I didn't know the first time I picked up JHEREG. He has since moved to Texas, but still visits here at least once a year, to see friends 'n' family at the MN RenFest. ...which is where I happened to be the last day of Fest, when I bumped into him. Trying to spot the "guy with long, dark hair, a goatee and wearing a funny hat?" Needle in a haystack!

    But bump into him I did, and I thanked him for the beauty that is AGYAR, for NOT being Anne Rice, for writing a vampire I can totally believe, and for Jim. I love Jim. (And he confirmed that he is indeed Huck's Jim.)

    His daughter gave me COWBOY FENG'S SPACE BAR AND GRILLE and I couldn't find him to sign it. So we made plans to get together at the next Fest this year and remedy the situation. I'm thinking of bringing my djembe along this time. :)
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      CommentAuthorLucifal
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
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    Killing Kiss by Sam Stone
    Not typical of the stories in Murky Depths but from the same publishing house.

    Of this paperback Tanith Lee said: ‘A deceptively readable date with darkness – watch your step! This book is lit for the much more discerning chick (and cock) who like to walk in the shadows. Relax with it, but be prepared for sudden jewels and little masterpieces – and the rug to be pulled from under your feet.’

    Black Static, the UK horror mag from TTAPress who produce Interzone, have also reveiewed it recently.
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      CommentAuthorswampyankee
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2009 edited
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    Meet Mercy Brown

    Mercy B
    She lived just up the road from me ( just over 100 years ago). A while after her death her family decided she might be one of the undead so they dug her up , cut out her heart , and burned it. This was all attended by a physician and a reporter from a local paper.
    I know of 10 or 15 similar incidents that occured within a 20 mile radius of my town from the late 1700's to the late 1800's. For some reason eastern European mythology took root here even though most of the families around here then were colonial English or Scot-Irish.
    • CommentAuthormlpeters
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2009
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    @swampyankee
    Though the word "vampire" is of Eastern European origin, the folklore about similar (sometimes in all but name - -and once the word vampire entered English...) creatures in wide spread.
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    ...though it was a small role...I loved the character of Khayman in the Queen of the Damned...imagine the things that dude has seen...and he gave us a scientific glimpse of the biological makeup of the vamp...like how he described his 6,ooo year old flesh to that of a wasp nest...how the blood has worked on him for that long...

    ah, it was very brief, but it was enough to get the imagination bellows to blow...
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    @shining_lion - That's awesome, I would love to chat with him.

    I also think there need to be more literary vampires like Agyar. Not only was it more subtle than the rest (not mentioning the word vampire, or blood drinking, or ever really telling you what he is... though there's no doubt) the main character had one of the personality types I like for that role. You like him, but you can't help feeling he's a parasite and oh so shady... in a likeable way. lol
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2011
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    Bringing this thread back from the depths, I have to heartily recommend Cade from Blood Oath and The President's Vampire.
    • CommentAuthorTalesin
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2011 edited
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    "In the heart of Transylvania, in the vampire hall of fame yeah, theres not a vampire zanier then DUCKULA" ahem excuse me

    Echo sentiments on Stoker, Z Brite et al. Forvever Knight I've been trying to track down on DVD for ages, can remember watching it late night I think back to back with Highlander.

    Looking forward to the new Goon comic which features his response to Twilight:


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    I've been enjoying Guillermo del Toro and Chuck Hogan's The Strain books. I mean, if you took Stoker and Matheson and bred them, you'd get this. I hope del Toro films them one day.

    Also, another vote here for Charlie Huston. Looking forward to reading the conclusion to that story arc, having followed it from the beginning.
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    @swampyankee Hey! I got dragged out to Mercy Browns grave in the middle of the night by friends who wanted to look for ghosts. spoiler alert! We didn't find any.


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