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God, I knew there was a name for it somewhere. Thank you, Zarathustra.
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@Louiee
Kirk doesn't think Mark is dead... where'd you get that? -
So many of the characters seem to have personalities that can be very dangerous if they snap.
This might be premature, but I (would like to) see crazy cop Kait going down like a rabid dog for some reason... -
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CommentAuthorPaul Duffield
- CommentTimeJan 12th 2009 edited
Alice's top is a "let's avoid the complete depiction of corporate sponsors" flavoured man-u top :) Sponsored by "AG" and "Nick". Regular news updates on Freakangels will be available on Pox News. -
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Those who have been doing so should stop trying to frame all the characters as "good guys" and "bad guys"!
True enough. I suppose I've just decided that I don't like them--with the possible exception of Arkady. She's intriguing, disarming, and possibly the most dangerous. -
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CommentAuthorDoctor_Six
- CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
@diello :
Quite right. Sorry, i meant Karl. The tard bus will be stopping at my house tonight.
@Paul Duffield:
Will AIG's financial demise make you feel the urge to change Alice's Evil Man U Shirt? -
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Huh. Now I'm curious about two things. One, why Jack easily accepts that Luke would want to send a mortar flying into the FreakCave. He might just be ridiculously protective of Sirkka, or Luke's done something of the sort in the past. And if Luke's right, and none of them (FA's) would be hurt, there wasn't a real point. Hell, if he's right there's no reason to "flick" it on target, except to kill Alice or create a diversion.
Two, if that conversation would have gone any different if Jack had not, y'know, pistol-whipped Luke. I'm kind of a contrary bitch, but that would have been the end of any useful conversation. I'd be too damn mad to think about defending myself. Luke never admits anything, and makes a couple of points, that are still kind of points despite being full of assholery.
And it's not "Prove I did it", it's "Prove it wasn't a lucky shot." All we know about Luke is he's kind of an intellectual, stuck-up Ubermenshen wannabe that, in reality, is kind of on the bottom of the pile. And has had conflicts of beliefs with Jack before, and the one flashback we've got has them looking down on each other. I've used "Prove it" before to mean "tell me why you think X, just so I can try to shred your argument to little pieces, stomp you into to ground and make you feel like a piece of shit." Maybe Luke just really likes debate. Or maybe he just is jealous of Alice stealing his friends and being more in the fold than he is, so he decided to off her. Whichever. -
- CommentAuthorcmerrilljump
- CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
odd question. i was wondering if there was any way to get straight script copies of freakangels? i thought i had seen a link somewhere. -
@cmerrilljump There's a page transcript link right above the page number links at the bottom. That's the only thing that I've seen that was close to a script copy.
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@Louie:
Ah, now THERE it gets confusing... Karl says he killed Mark, saw him hit the water, heard his brain die. "I killed him, except apparently, I didn't." Now I would REALLY like to meet Mark, Mr. Ellis. I'll bet he's screening himself just like Kait was.
@Frexels:
"Hell, if he's right there's no reason to "flick" it on target"
He could have just intended to destroy the clubhouse that he wasn't invited to play in. Luke is a child. -
@ diello
That seems unlikely. If Mark screened himself, Karl wouldn't have "heard his brain die." Two possibilities from that, either Karl is lying for his own reasons or Karl is telling what he believes to be the truth. Let's assume Karl is telling the "truth." Let's also assume that Alice is telling the "truth" which seems to have been confirmed by Conner, KK and Sirkka.
One question we have to answer is how much of the "Freakangels package" depends upon physiology? Essentially, is the Freakangels package software or hardware? If it's hardware, we're at something of an impasse and it means that Karl is lying or being made to believe something not true. Karl states that he killed Mark, or at least Mark's body, that he felt his brain die. If the Freakangels package is a thing of the body and Karl is being "truthful", then Mark is dead and someone is impersonating him - someone with Freakangel powers.
But what if the package is mostly software and the skin, eyes and metabolism are side-effects? Sort of like if you reduce power and memory requirements on a computer by putting in a more efficient operating system even while leaving the basic hardware intact. Also, consider Mark's crime of "mass mind control" as a pathstone along a continuum of telepathic ability. Perhaps you can send thoughts, then send out your perception to read thought, then send a more powerful signal to override and control thoughts then boost that signal to control multiple beings' thoughts and then you can download your own soul/self into another person, override and erase their soul/self and take them over like a living computer virus. What if, in the moment of his dying, Mark downloaded himself into another person? Yes, Karl heard the brain in Mark's former physical body die, but Mark himself is still alive. Alive and able to use his powers.
And things only get worse if we connect that to mass mind control. Perhaps instead of one Mark there are several, perhaps a dozen or a hundred? That seems a little unlikely as well. I'd presume that there's some limiting factor that prevents such mass conversions. Perhaps the bodies wear out and Mark has to constantly get new ones. Perhaps the "clones'" mental strength weakens if it's spread among several copies. Perhaps only certain brain chemistries are suitable homes for Mark's consciousness. Or perhaps Mark is reluctant to trust even himself.
In any case, Mark's "software" provides a clue as to why he'll be a powerful adversery against the Freakangels. Even if they kill a body he inhabites, he can just transfer to another body in range of his abilities. The Freakangels might have to do something truly horrific (like nuke a city full of innocent people) to kill Mark for good. -
That's quite a handful to consider... Karl lying makes a lot of sense, though... He could be lying for Mark, or lying just to keep the others calm (it's all about sex and violence with that tv generation, as he so thinks).
I don't know about the software/hardware question... I think the metabolism counts as software, though. They were born with pale skin, purple eyes, and their powers emerged later on (at least that's what I gathered from Kirk's and Karl's talk), which includes being able to manipulate their metabolism (remember, Connor used to have a weight problem- I imagine he fixed that the very moment he learned about that part of his power).
Everyone could have their own quirks, too. Look at Arkady and Kait... they have powers the others don't (or don't use, or don't know they have). But I don't think Mark could spread himself so thin throughout several people if he did a kind of body switch.
But maybe if the FreakAngels would leave someone alive and captive, they'd get some more answers. Maybe that's also why Miki wants to do all the talking when they go to kick around some furniture. -
Kirk said something about Connor living on milk and wheat germ or something for a year. I imagine that's how he got his weight down. But Kirk can apparently slow his down enough to not need food or sleep. The sleep thing is REALLY interesting, as us mere mortals die after something like ten days awake, then there's the paranoia, hallucinations and assorted other crap. I'm assuming that means they can re-write their hardware to a degree.
The problem about the brain dying thing is we don't know exactly how closely Karl monitored it, whether he felt an instant of death like his consciousness stopping, or more clinical, like no more neurons firing in the brain. If it was a consciousness thing, Mark's basic functions could have been working and Karl wouldn't have noticed. Mark wouldn't have been thinking, is what I'm trying to say. It seems possible that Karl felt that, Mark could have made some sort of trigger buried way, way down on a strictly physical level that turned off his higher functions and started them up again shortly after. When he reboots (?), he shields himself, and Karl's none the wiser.
If Karl waited for Mark to go clinically, 100% brain-dead, he was listening in for a long time, but I don't think brain damage from that is a issue. Connor fixed Alice right up after KK's water bottle bomb. That thing had to weigh twenty pounds, and from fifty feet? She shouldn't be walking around. If it is software, Mark could fix the damage done to his hardware.
I wish we knew where Karl shot him. A headshot leaves fewer options than chest.
@diello
He was invited. No one made sure/seemed to care if he came was the reason he gave for being pissed. And I can't decide if it would be a childish action. If he was going for "if I can't use it, no one else can", yeah. But he could use it; Karl invited him too. As some sort of symbolic destruction, maybe less childish. I don't agree that he's a child, but you've still got a point. He could have done it out of anger or on impulse. There wouldn't be a lot of time to react and I was kind of assuming he actually thought about it. If Sirkka does emotions, you'd think she'd have some idea if he was lying or not. -
I think Sirkka DOES know, but isn't saying anything. Maybe because she thinks such an asshole deserves to get a good scare from Jack. I think everyone WANTS Luke to be involved, though. So they have a reason. And they're slowly driving him to that end of it, too.
When did Karl invite Luke? -
He said it (the invitation for food) was a mass call. Luke obviously knew they were in there, Connor seemed to think it was possible Luke would be there, since he told Alice about her, Luke heard the conversations during the first attack that Arkady was broadcasting. There's no reason to think this mass call meant mass call minus Luke.
Just re-read the last episode. Luke's last quote, about Mark, doesn't make a lot of sense in context. Mark's fuck you seemed to be breaking the rules, the mass mind control, but Luke wasn't controlling anyone at the time. Luke seems to be saying Mark rejected the others personally, not just the rules. They say they kicked him out, but if he already decided to remove himself, why would that be a problem? -
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CommentAuthormister hex
- CommentTimeJan 14th 2009
There's something else to consider, that struck me reading johnjones thought-provoking post :
the FreakAngels aren't a natural phenomenon. Are they? This talk of the package implies they are not.
So someone created them, perhaps. Perhaps someone who survived the Freakapocalypse and is now looking for their "children."
They were on the run from someone, yes? Maybe someone found them. Or found Mark (or what's left of him) and is using the "doubt" over his death to wrong-foot the "children" so they make a mistake of the fatal variety.
Warren's probably laughing at us all right now, you know that? -
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CommentAuthorrickiep00h
- CommentTimeJan 14th 2009
"23 YEARS AGO, TWELVE STRANGE CHILDREN WERE BORN IN ENGLAND AT EXACTLY THE SAME MOMENT.
6 YEARS AGO, THE WORLD ENDED.
THIS IS THE STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED NEXT."
Pretty sure the package is natural. Well, "natural." I'm assuming referring to it as a "package" is slang. Might be wrong, but I'm not going to go off on giant conspiracy theories of who or what is out there just yet. We don't know, the Freakangels don't know... but Warren knows.
oooo... that devious Ellis. -
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CommentAuthormister hex
- CommentTimeJan 14th 2009
"Three may keep a secret, if two are dead." Not every conspiracy is huge. Christianity is based on a conspiracy theory. Once the ball starts rolling downhill, people go "Look! A ball is rolling down the hill!" And hence, believe what they're told. "I didn't ACTUALLY SEE the ball rolling down the hill, but let's assume it did."
Only Warren knows at this point. Paul knows as well, or may only have an inkling.
He said he'd laugh at us. And he is. Maybe it's just me. -
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Here's where speculation gets hazy. Where theories were once based on motive, evidence, and rational investigation, it now goes into the realm of guesswork as to how far the group's powers really extend. There's no logical understanding anyone has of this what with it being, one, unmeasured, and as far as we see, unlimited, and two, fiction. I'm willing to discuss plot points that seem within reason, but as far as the whole 'possession' bit and the theories on ability go, I'd rather let Ellis and Duffield tell the story.
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@rickiepooh
23 YEARS AGO, TWELVE STRANGE CHILDREN WERE BORN IN ENGLAND AT EXACTLY THE SAME MOMENT.
Emphasis again on AT EXACTLY THE SAME MOMENT. The synchronized nature of the Freakangels' births argues for artificial intervention. Nature tends toward entropy and randomness, it doesn't self-organize like this. Intelligence organizes things and imposes order. It's not definitive, of course, but it's certainly indicitive.