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      CommentAuthorFinagle
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2009
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    I have to imagine that alcohol is a fortunate byproduct of the algae-processing operation. That comes from no great scientific background; just the knowledge than when you put algae into a McGuffin, you get food and booze out the other end.
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      CommentAuthoroddbill
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2009
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    Naval based space exploration would be impossible were it not for engineering derived from McGuffin's principals.

    It's a crime he never won the Nobel.
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      CommentAuthorWordWill
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2009
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    "That comes from no great scientific background; just the knowledge than when you put algae into a McGuffin, you get food and booze out the other end."

    That's fucking marvelous. No acronym: I laughed out loud.

    For me, "The Woman King" admirably addressed the otherwise under-explored idea that smashing 12 planets full of different cultures into a few tiny spaceships should result in spectacular conflicts of personality, ideology, and practical philosophy. Somehow, the show largely managed not to worry about that stuff. Most of "Woman King"'s goodwill was blown, though, by being another fucking pun title. ("The Son Also Rises?" Really?)

    There have been little comments lately to help explain where some of the liquor is coming from (algae-beer or whatever), but shouldn't they be trading fraks for cigarettes at this point? And where — seriously, for the love of all that is holy — does a rag-tag fleet of desperate nuclear escapees get Roslin a wig?

    BSG has frustrated and disappointed me a whole lot during its run, but I watched those first-season DVDs in a fucking sprint and the show's never been boring. I respect that it strives to surprise and shock with sci-fi shenanigans and melodrama, and so I rush to watch it.
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    I've always been curious but i've never really seen anyone explain it.
    Why is Black Market considered a mistake?

    That's the first episode of BSG i ever saw and i thought then "This is better than 90% of the crap on television. I'm hooked."
    For all the talk i heard from friends about the politics of the show and the mysticism of the cylons, i was impressed how for that one episode, the first i ever saw, they took the time to show the seedier underside of the fleet...that it wasn't just the military and suits tagging along and bright-eyed dreaming of earth. That some of them were real scum-bags devouring and feeding off of their weaker brethren...taking full advantage of the vices and addictions humans crave and typically turn to in depressing situations.

    Maybe it wasn't as well written as other episodes that came before or after it?
    Or i was just impressed that this episode wasn't too absorbed with soap-opera, politics or cylons...it was mostly trying to explore what everyone else in the fleet is willing to do in order to stay sane, stay alive, or feel something..anything that makes them feel good.

    But as my first exposure to BSG, i was still impressed enough to come back and watch more :)
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    @WordWill:
    Roslin's wig? Taken from the stash of Tigh, who has been established as a tranny...
    (Well, he was getting real close to putting on one of Ellen's slips in a drunken maudlin state once. But really, once the idea of a tranny Tigh hits you, it doesn't go away.)
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    Oh and I should say... finally watched the latest ep (waiting for Sky showings so I can watch them with family.) Still in Holy Shit Where Do They GO Now mode. Also, hats of to Richard Hatch and Alessandro Juliani for their performances, especially the little smile they shared just before they were shot.
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      CommentAuthorCameron C.
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2009
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    Finding someone willing to donate their hair and someone with the knowledge to fashion it into a wig is an impossibility in a group of 30-40 thousand?
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2009
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    Finding someone willing to donate their hair and someone with the knowledge to fashion it into a wig is an impossibility in a group of 30-40 thousand?


    There's also the possibility that sombody with some wigs (maybe going to another planet with some sales samples) happened to either die to decided to donate it to the Prez in hopes of getting some extra sugar. Or maybe they harvested the hair from Cally's frozen corpse. Aside from which, while the Colonists were captives on New Caprica, the Cylons brought in quite a few supplies to appease them and "teach them love." Recall Baltar talking about how Doral wanted to bring in more toilet paper, to win the Colonists' heart by wiping their assholes.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2009
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    I just found a movie called "Travelling" that comes out this year with Rekha Sharma and Allesandro Juliani in it. They play secondary characters called Tattoos (Juliani) and Nose Ring (Sharma). Which should be hilarious to watch.
    • CommentAuthorSteadyUP
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2009
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    There's also the possibility that sombody with some wigs (maybe going to another planet with some sales samples) happened to either die to decided to donate it to the Prez in hopes of getting some extra sugar.
    And let's be honest - she's the president. If there's a single wig in the entire fleet, she gets it.
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      CommentAuthorFinagle
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2009 edited
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    One of the major revaluations in the final episode will be which main character was actually a secret drag queen and the source of the President's wig. Touching flashback scenes will show the President and the drag queen dramatically confessing their secrets to each other. The wig is tearfully handed over in a moment of humanity that shows a side to one of your favorite characters that you never dreamed of!

    You know it has to be Baltar.
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      CommentAuthorWordWill
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2009 edited
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    If Roslin's wig was crafted from the hairs of the dead — and that's a fine idea, though she's had quite a bit longer than Cally's been dead, I think — it would be a potentially valuable symbolic detail and worthy of a line of dialog. Having a wig for comfort or appearances during an awful series of medical treatments is a luxury. Sure it's obvious that if there is a wig in the fleet, it'll probably go to the President. I'm not supposing that it's a plot hole but a missed opportunity — the President's illness is a major part of her character arc and yet both the necessities of her treatment (whose making all those pills?) and the luxuries of her recovery (the wig) are available without comment. How about a scene where she has to try and appear in public, officially or not, without being able to dress up her illness? There's drama there.

    The original 50,000 survivors, however, are a fraction of a percent of the population. Slice that group off the top and you apparently end up with oodles of cigars and doctors, wigs and baby toys, plus renowned political prisoners and world-class lawyers who just happened to know your grandfather.

    Show me a scene with Tranny Tigh cutting Baltar's hair so it can be made into a wig for Roslin and we're square.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2009
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    And let's be honest - she's the president. If there's a single wig in the entire fleet, she gets it.


    "All your wigs are belong to us!"
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    Roslin's Wig would make a good band name...
    • CommentAuthorsandman
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2009
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    Totally.

    What would they play?
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      CommentAuthorFinagle
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2009
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    Blues. You know it has to be blues. Mississippi delta blues.
    • CommentAuthorsandman
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2009
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    That or post rock in the vein of Red Sparowes. Sounds weird enough to be a post-rock band's name.
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      CommentAuthorWordWill
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2009
     (4756.18)
    Dylan covers. Nothing but.
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    When she started screaming at Zarek I expected the wig to fly off her head and start spinning around with a "vzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" sound. Best death threat ever. I adore that woman.

    @ everyone, I'm heartened that I'm not the only one who was seriously pissed off by the end of season three, but I think the difference is that whereas Whitechapelers seem to have been able to move on, that bad patch damaged my faith in the show so much that even this late run of good to excellent episodes has not affected me as much as they would have if the show had been more consistent. One or two scenes last night were obviously unbelievably dramatic and great, and I thought, "If I were still a die-hard fan, I would be running around the room and screaming with excitement, but instead I'm just nodding with respect". It made me sad.

    Still, though, killing Gaeta (who I hated from the get-go) and Zarek (who I thought was one of the most interesting characters on TV) was brass-balls stuff. I was totally conflicted throughout that scene; a good sign. Tyrol sabotaging the ship, Adama's defiance, Lampkin's change of heart, the massacre of the Quorum (which was totally shocking and totally predictable simultaneously); all gold.

    Oh, and Black Market? At least Bill Duke was in it.
    • CommentAuthorpoor_boy
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2009 edited
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    Please tell me they didn't fuck up the Cylons.

    I ...they fucked it up didn't they?

    I never saw the new one but I already know they wrote Lucifer out of it.
    Fucking pussies.