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    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009
    - It's the best way I know to make a lot of noise with just one guitar and two hands.
    - I like it as a method of building arrangements and superimposing different ideas / textures on each other.
    - The meditative quality (which unfortunately isn't very easy to get across to listeners; see the tragic cases).
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    The title of this thread makes me want to eat fruitloops.
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009
    this might not be what you are looking for but Diana Deutsch a perceptual and cognitive psychologist stumbled on something kind of cool involving speech patterns, loops and music. She was recording for a CD of Audio illusions and read out a prepared narration and when she was listening to it the words "Sometimes behave so strangely" started to loop over and over again, and after a few times it took on a musical/Sing-song effect. The first time you hear it in context it sounds just like a regular speech pattern, but after listening to that loop over and over and it becoming recognized as music by your brain, if you replay the entire narration again it sounds like normal speech until you hear the words "Sometimes behave so strangely" and it sounds like she's singing the words.

    I haven't listened to it for about 3 years, and even now, when I just did a search for it, as soon as the recording hits the words, my brain totally interprets it as music, it is very weird and fascinating.

    here is a link to a page with the audio and effect

    and the NPR show "Radiolab" did a story about it
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    @taphead Thank you! It's a good start.

    @LBA Thank you so much for the exact reference. I will check it out.

    @Rootfireember I *love* fruitloops. But not as much as I love Frankenberry.
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009
    i like the whole enveloping aspect of it.... not a good word but if you listen to the static on your tv you wil eventually find rhythems and unique sounds. thats kinda the idea i have to draw the listener in and make them surprise themselves.

    probably better when stoned :s

    that and exactly what @taphead said
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009
    @ Alastair

    That reminds me, I remember reading from someone (maybe on Looper's Delight) about a time when he was listening to some deep ambient record for the first time in a while. At the end of the record he noticed some REALLY interesting textures he hadn't spotted before and spent some happy 20 minutes getting into it.

    Then realizing the record had ended half an hour ago.

    It was the air conditioner.

    Which just goes to show, good sounds are where ever you happen to find them.
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009
    @taphead HAH! thats awesome i swear i've done things like that... Devin Townsends Hummer album can sound like an air conditioner at times... but in a good way!
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009
    "I Am Sitting in a Room" - best loop ever.

    For those not in the know: the performer records him/herself saying the words of the piece, then plays that recording into the same room on a loudspeaker, and records the output. In the end -- not that far in, actually -- it becomes impossible to hear the exact words anymore, because the room acts as a natural filter, accentuating some frequencies and subtracting others. The effect of the loop becomes much more than it would have been on its own, and truly goes somewhere completely different than a short essay about the procedure of the piece.

    Furthermore, physical looping is the very core of modern and noise rock: all acoustic feedback is is a loop that builds on itself when a source and its playback are at the same level at the mic/pickup. That's why you're NEVER SUPPOSED TO CUP A MIC TO AVOID FEEDBACK, because it eliminates the natural noise-canceling effect engineered into most microphones. Unless you're one of those weird new groups that likes to make howly noises, then go crazy. But if your PA blows up, don't blame me.

    ...sorry, little bit of a tangent there.

    Seriously, though, I have a recording of me in 2002 messing with just my guitar, a chorus pedal, my wah pedal, and my amp, looping the same feedback note for something like 3 minutes. It's really just noise, but the oscillation and timbre of it really took me somewhere else when I was recording it. Now it sounds terribly naff, but it was cool then, and I still appreciate it, even if I don't like it.
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    When I think "loops", I think flash loops because that's what I work on mostly - flash animation. Making a looping animation of someone walking, for example. All you have to do is make this person walk two steps and, with a bit of fine-tuning - it's a loop, they'll walk indefinitely -- then you just move it around the canvas at your leisure.

    Loops are vital to animation and save a lot of time.
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009 edited
    I dig the loops in this ad:
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    @Willow Honestly I never thought of it as a purposeful thing. Interesting.
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    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2009
    I just finished I Am A Strange Loop. It's not as good as GEB, as it feels like a series of essays strung together, but it's a reasonable read. I find it difficult to think about strange loops as after a couple of iterations my brain shorts out. I know while I was reading it I had a couple of strange loopy dreams, but I can't recall them now.

    One phrase that I kept thinking about when I was reading it was "can't see the wood for the trees", which to me is like a fragment of a strange loop, as it can be interpreted on 2 levels:

    On the micro level it could be "can't see the timber for the trees" i.e. you are looking at the big picture and missing the detail;
    Or "can't see the small forest for the trees" i.e. you are looking at the detail and can't see the big picture.

    A friend of mine just won the Amateur Photographer of the Year competion. His winning picture in the final round (which was self portraits) was a photograph of himself painting a portrait of himself taking a photo, which was quite strange loopy: link
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2009

    Things like that picture always remind me of the "studio" cover for Pink Floyd's Ummagumma:

    Granted, it's not exactly the same, but I've always loved this sort of thing in visuals. And then there's this:

    The pretaped call-in show from Mr. Show. It's so insane, it makes sense.
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    @Taphead, I reckon you might like this Finnish guy's project called Es. really meditative and abstract loops... I only have the A Love Cycle album, so not sure what his other stuff is like yet.

    and i'm gonna have to admit to really getting into a track then realising it's the cement mixer next door... music's everywhere people! nothing to be ashamed of! ha.
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2009

    Now that's what I call "Musique concrète"!

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    @RickiePooh I wonder about the "zone" we get in while in the process of creating the loops, which is difficult to relive or even recall after the fact. Makes me think about people tapping out rhythms on desks from school... to other people, it got annoying, but if you joined in, it was fun. Maybe that speaks more to general participatory music than loops, but still. Thank you for the tangent.

    @Andrenavarro Yes! You can accomplish a lot in many different forms of coding as well (I overlap Flash and Coding because I was always better at the actual hard code than the illustration side). I think it's interesting that we create looping abilities for the tools we use to produce art (and other things) beccause so much of what we're mimicing is looped.

    As to the images: why do you think we find this visualization interesting?

    Will watch the videos when I am not at work.
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    I am currently writing about a causality loop in a piece of mythos fiction (or an outline to a piece of fiction) that I have been working on. I hope it works out.
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2009
    The best use of Audio looping live, in my experience is Beardyman. Stunning to watch.

    Music is to a large degree about patterns, loops are one way to create those. When the patterns become too stale and static, the loops have not purpose anymore and become meaningless.

    The same goes for art or illustration, cinematography. the human mind craves for patterns. The artists job could be described as being to give it patterns, yet with a new context, a new shift or purpose. Freakangels are, taken by themselves, not a new idea. It is an old pattern, but recreated and reshaped into a new and exciting variation. Our mind plays with the familiarity of the familiar patterns within the novelty and excitement of the new shapes. I think one can find patterns and 'loops' in pretty much every level of human (and perhaps natural?) existence. Thus, they are important.

    Hope this makes sense.
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2009
    I love loops of all kinds. I love my Boomerang loop is endlessly (get it?) fun.
    But yeah, someone mentioned Hofstadter's "Godel, Escher, Bach" etc.
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    Lost fans are experiencing some amazing loops right now. So far this season we're getting some lovely time-travelling stories, which follows four seasons of narrative bouncing the audience's perspective backwards and forwards through time.

    Eno is the king of loop. Willow BIOO, I trust you own Discreet Music. It's essential.