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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:39:43 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Osmosis</author>
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			<![CDATA[ So, I wanted to start up a thread on climate change.  I'd prefer that it wasn't about a debate on how anthropological the process is (mostly because I credit Whitechapliers with more sense than that, but in equal measure because that conversation is intensely boring. See the comments to any George Monbiot article on the Guardian's website for proof), but rather a clearing house for <br /><ul ><br /><li >new developments in alternative tech or clean energy (I know Kosmopolit is all over this one)<br /><li >discussion on mitigation, adaptation in affected areas of our planet<br /><li >information on political wranglings, with particular reference to the Copenhagen COP a.k.a. the one where Obama saves the planet (because Poznan was the one where everybody was waiting for Obama)<br /><li >personal, national or international perspectives on climate change<br /></ul><br />Where I'm coming from?  I work for the campaigning arm of an international development NGO.  We have recently changed emphasis dramatically to campaign 70% on climate change and 30% on health and education - which may seem surprising to many, given the traditional area of expertise this charity is associated with.  But our campaign work is informed by our research, and our research is informed by our programme work.  And as we work in so many countries, so many regions worldwide, we're coming up against the effects of an increasingly unpredictable climate more and more.  It's wiping out hard work we have done and setting back projects we are working on now.  There gets to be a point where the hard work being done and the money being spent by programme staff is giving diminishing returns because of drought, flooding, crop failure -- caused by climate change.  <br /><br />So, from my point of view, with what I know from my job, I see climate change in terms of poverty and suffering.  Of course I see the same pictures of polar bears standing on ice cubes that you do, but the angle I see this from (and the angle I don't think our public campaigning is really getting across well, truth be told) is that climate change is not an abstract future environmental problem, but that it is affecting humans now, and it is hitting the poorest first and worst.  <br /><br />So.  What do you think? <br /><br />Is President Obama going to switch the US on to renewable energy?  Can geo-engineering work?  Has climate change affected your country?  What will a low-carbon future look like?  Is there any political will to change to one?  What does a warming planet mean to you? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:47:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Finagle</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I'm hoping to see some action around <a href="http://stygmata.tumblr.com/post/43436932/methanol-economy-wikipedia-the-free-encyclopedia" >methanol as an alternative fuel. </a> Specifically, I would like to see the auto industry mandated to produce <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexible-fuel_vehicle" >flexible-fuel vehicles</a>.  A push for a methanol-based FFV economy based on non-food agricultural products (i.e.: not corn) would be able to accomplish a lot more in the short term than anything else I've been able to think of. <br /><br />I found a couple of interesting articles about it in the /New Atlantis/.  If you set aside the political rhetoric the author brings about energy independence, there's some pretty good science. <br /><br />The New Atlantis » <a href="http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-methanol-alternative" >The Methanol Alternative</a><br /><br /><blockquote >Integrating methanol into our energy system would have numerous benefits in the not-so-distant future. As the authors point out, it would make the transportation of liquid natural gas much safer by converting it to less-hazardous liquid methanol before shipping it. Methanol could also be used to produce plastics, synthetic fabrics, and many other non-fuel products currently made from petroleum.<br /><br />Importantly, methanol can also be produced (in conjunction with an auxiliary electricity source, like nuclear power) by chemically recycling carbon dioxide, which can be found naturally in the air or readily captured from atmosphere-polluting industrial emissions. The methanol produced can, in turn, be used to produce synthetic hydrocarbons and other products now obtained from fossil fuels. If successfully tapped, methanol “has the ability to liberate mankind from its dependence on fossil fuels for transportation and hydrocarbon products,” while reducing the amount of carbon dioxide pumped into the atmosphere.<br /><br />Consider ethanol as a comparison. The commercial competitiveness of ethanol is somewhat confused by the complex influences of a variety of subsidies and tariffs. By contrast, methanol is currently selling—without any subsidy—for about $0.80/gallon. Given that methanol’s energy content is about half that of gasoline, that price is the equivalent, in energy terms, of gasoline for $1.60/gallon. In other words, we can produce a useful and economically viable vehicle fuel, using a huge domestic and Western hemispheric resource base, at prices lower than gasoline.</blockquote> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:21:27 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Personally I'm keen on <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2009/01/16/biochar-a-soil-additive-that-fights-global-warming-and-is-environmentally-friendly/" >biochar </a>but it's too soon to assume it'll work as advertised.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126921.500-one-last-chance-to-save-mankind.html" >Lovelock </a>is keen on the idea but he's been approaching "emeritus status" for a few years now.<br /><br />The short version: you heat vegetable matter, pretty much any vegetable matter, in a vaccuum. You end up with a fine black solid which is mostly carbon and a gas which can be turned into liquid fuel or burnt. The neat bit is you can use some of the syngas to heat the feedstock and still have some left over. The biochar - the carbon-rich solid - can be added to soil and makes it more productive. People in the Amazon did this for thousands of years and we know the biochar will stay in the soil and that the soil will remain fertile even at very high levels.<br /><br />Because the carbon comes from the atmosphre in the first palce, you can burn the syngas and all up you're actually reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:28:47 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Finagle</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @Kosmopolit - <br /><br />That's some really interesting stuff - bookmarked.  And I think the two are complimentary as well, if you posit using methanol as a gas/oil substitute with biochar as a coal/fertilizer substitute.  In both cases we need to cultivate a hell of a lot of biomass. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:32:58 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Cat Vincent</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I recommend reading my mate Merrick aka <a href="http://bristlingbadger.blogspot.com/" >Bristling Badger</a>, who's been on protest and other green actions since Newbury. He writes often on the politics and science used to justify (mostly UK) government actions (such as plane use, coal-based generators etc).<br /><br />Personal experience - been using solar powered hot water from <a href="http://smartenergyUK.com" >Smart Energy UK</a> here in Bristol for the last 3 years. Mostly good - we estimate about 1/3 of our hot water comes from the solar. Had a shitload of repairs needed to the kit last year, but eventually fixed (and made the £100 annual repair cover worth it). Will move to solar electric once the tech gets more efficient, guessing 2-4 years.<br /><br />Have you all read Kim Stanley Robinson's <em >Science in the Capitol</em> trilogy? Hard SF about what we can do to counter climate change in the near future and how hard the politics would be. Tends to big-science solutions, but much good stuff in there. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:45:53 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>StefanJ</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Well, this sucks:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28861757/" >Expect 1,000 year climate impact</a><br /><blockquote >WASHINGTON - Even if the world can cap carbon dioxide emissions tied to global warming, expect to see droughts and sea level rise that span centuries, not just decades, according to a new study sponsored by the U.S. government.<br /><br />"People have imagined that if we stopped emitting carbon dioxide the climate would go back to normal in 100 years, 200 years; that's not true," lead author Susan Solomon told reporters.<br /><br />Instead, the team concluded, warming tied to higher CO2 "is largely irreversible for 1,000 years after emissions stop."</blockquote><br /><br />* * *<br />I contributed great gobs of ideas to the Viridian Green project. Right now, not so much. Living in an apartment, you can't much around with much in the way of green household tech.<br /><br />One thing I SHOULD do is get a bicycle. I think I could handle a bicycle commute, although the dog would have to learn to hold her bladder for an extra half-hour. And I'd lose my 15 minute nap just before work. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:51:31 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ "What will a low-carbon future look like? "<br /><br />I think the key word there is "low".<br /><br />As opposed to "no".<br /><br />If we reduce GHG emissions by 80-90%, tghat means we can continue emitting 10-20% as much carbon dioxide indefinitely or until the fossil fuels run out.<br /><br />The major sources of GHG emissions:<br /><br />Transport<br />Stationary energy<br />Land-use change (polite euphemism for deforestation)<br />Steel-making<br />Cement production<br /><br />The easiest of these to fix should be land use change. The money going to tropical countries for letting their forests be destroyed is actually pretty trivial in a global sense. There's a pretty obvious deal possible where the tropic countries agree to protect their remaining rainforests in exchange for additional aid including, in particular, access to green technology. "We'll build you a wind farm if you stop illegal logging."<br /> <br />Transport is more difficult but we now have the technology coming to market that could solve the problem within the next 20-30 years. That's battery-electric vehicles; plug-in hybrids and biofuels.<br /><br />Stationary energy is essentially a matter of cost - coal-fired electricity remains the cheapest option. There's a lot we can do to increase the efficiency of coal - the best new plants put out 50% more power per unit of coal as the least efficient old units. Using coal efficiently and getting rid of the oldest and least-efficient coal-powered generators is going to be key. Coal produces around 50% of world electricity. If we use it as efficiently as possible it could continue to produce 10-20% of world power indefinitely.<br /><br />Steel-making and cement making are the ones no-one likes to talk about. Steel-making uses a lot of coal and there are very few alternatives even on the horizon. Cement production currently involves turning calcium carbonate into calcium oxide and discharging the carbon dioxide driven off by that into the atmosphere. That's on top of the fuel used in the process.<br /><br />We really need good solutions for the steel and cement industries - and if we can fidn them that means we can continue to use even more coal in power production. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:18:34 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ We need a lot more of <a href="http://www.solardaily.com/reports/World_First_Hybrid_Solarized_Gas_Turbine_Power_Station_999.html" >this</a>.<br /><br />It's a hybrid solar/gas system. during the day, superheated air is used to run a turbine. At night, the same turbine is run using gas - biogas in this case but you could also use natural gas.<br /><br />Gets around the intermittency problem and makes the whole system more economically attractive because your investment isn't sitting there doing nothing overnight. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:04:02 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Brad McLoughlin</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I haven't seen a better alternative to the transport issue than hydrogen cars. Using the most plentiful element in the universe, they produce electricity on exposure to oxygen, with the only emission being water. Already set up to some degree in California as far as I'm aware. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:34:44 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>oga</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I'm with the view that it's all about solar rain.  The ramping up activity of the sun as we move into a more "dense" area of the milky way is bombarding our planet and causing our magnetic core to spin up and heat up, which causes climate change.  This is a cyclic process.  <br /><br />This guy, Mitch Battros, has an equation that has been recognised by bods at NASA and others:<br /><br />Sunspots => Solar Flares => Magnetic Field Shift => Shifting Ocean and Jet Stream Currents => Extreme Weather and Human Disruption<br /><a href="http://earthchanges.tv" >Earthchanges</a><br /><br />I've been following his posts with interest for a few years.<br /><br />These two links seem to back it up too: <a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html" >Mars Melt</a> and <a href="http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7y.html" >Causes</a> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:13:37 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>David xvx Ludd</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I handed in 20-30,000 dissertation for law honours yesterday.  On climate changing, Kyoto, and domestic emissions trading.<br /><br />The New Zealand government, late last year, created a special select committee to review our ETS and, basically, the science for climate change.  This is why I was homicidal on election night.<br /><br />Good to see so much more sense here.  Will be following this thread with interest. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:49:43 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Brad, the hydrogen cars in California cost over a million dollars each and are leased out by Honda as a PR exercise. No-one currently has the technology to build a fuel cell small enough and light  enough to fit in a car without using an excessive amount of Platinum. There's also still no technology for the safe storage and distribution of hydrogen at a reasonable cost in the volumes required.<br /><br />Oh and 99% of current Hydrogen involves using natural gas and emitting the carbon dioxide byproduct into the atmosphere. <br /><br />Ten years ago I was real keen on fuel cell cars but electrics (including hybrids and plug-in hybrids) have really leap-frogged ahead of them. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:14:58 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Osmosis</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I agree with Kosmopolit.  Hydrogen looks wonderful, but transport is the main problem.  Where it might be useful is as a storage mechanism -- we all know the big problem with wind and solar is that the wind don't always blow and the sun don't always shine.  When baseload is low and generation is occurring, plug either of those into an electric water splitting machine and capture the hydrogen for conventional combustion when baseload is higher or generation is lower.  Efficiency over the electricity-H-electricity cycle is an issue but if the alternative is the waste of that capacity it may be worthwhile. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:44:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Finagle</author>
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			<![CDATA[ This is what looks so good to me about methanol - minimal effort to convert vehicles to FFV's, and you use the existing infrastructure.   It seems kind of counterproductive and a bit of a distracting spectacle to focus on electric and hydrogen, when the methanol solutions seems so much easier and more practical. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:48:27 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ In the next five to ten years, we'll have the technology to produce long chain alcohols from ethanol or bio-engineer plants to produce them directly.<br /><br />Those can be used directly in unmodified petrol engines and have the same energy content as petrol - unlike ethanol. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:58:32 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Power storage is one of the key issues.<br /><br />There are lot of technologies being developed for this - this is one of the more interesting ones:<br /><br /><blockquote >During times of energy surplus, sea water would be pumped out of the reservoir into the surrounding North Sea, until it was completely empty. Letting the sea flood back in via turbines emplaced in the dykes could generate 2 gigawatts or more for up to 15 hours at a stretch. In other words, the "Energy Island" could store about 30 gigawatt-hours.</blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:KEMA%27s_Inverse_Offshore_Pump_Accumulation_Stations" >Link</a><br /><br />My main reaction is to wonder if you could use this as a form of tidal power - let the water flow in as the tide rises; then release it as the tide falls. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 08:32:30 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Osmosis</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Like you, I'm instinctively in favour of biofuels because they use existing infrastructure and transport tech (there's a big installed user base for the internal combustion engine ...).  However, I am <em >extremely</em> sceptical of first gen. biofuels such as ethanol, palm oil derivatives and jatropha.  Their carbon equivalent output across lifespan is a considerable percentage of that of traditional fossil fuels, due to the intensive methods of growth and the cracking processes used in their mass production.  <br /><br />Not only are they questionable on carbon grounds, but the World Bank last year thought up to 75% of the recent catastrophic food price increases was caused by diversion of staple foods for biofuel.  The effects of the food crisis tipped many of the world's poorest back into food poverty, caused riots and nearly ended several governments.  This is Not a Good Thing.  <br /><br />Even President Obama thinks biofuel is more of an energy security issue than a climate one.  I would cheer future generation biofuels that do not interrupt food supply and are genuinely carbon neutral.  I would applaud them.  But until I see otherwise, I'll continue to think that current biofuel policy is more about continuing to shovel subsidies to midWest and EU agribusiness than a solution to climate change. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:26:00 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ "...the World Bank last year thought up to 75% of the recent catastrophic food price increases was caused by diversion of staple foods for biofuel"<br /><br />I'm not in a position to check at the moment but from memory one person at the World Bank in a report clearly marked as their private opinion suggested that. Other equally authoritative experts thought differently.<br /><br />We can also now employ a simple test - are the biofuel subsidies still in place? Have food prices remained high? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:25:10 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Osmosis</author>
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			<![CDATA[ You're right.  That's not a particularly reliable statistic.  I apologise.  Try these:<br /><br />* The IMF thought that half of 2007's increase in demand for foodstuffs was due to biofuels; <br />* The UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation thought that biofuels accounted for 10% of food price rises;<br />* The International Food Policy Research Institute thought that the figure was 30%.<br /><br />References available on request :)<br /><br />Here's the World Bank reference: <a href="http://is.gd/i12u" >http://is.gd/i12u</a>.  Here it says that 70-75% of food price increases 2002-2008 were due to biofuels.  This report states that it's difficult to quantify the exact causes of price increase, but that biofuels have contributed substantially, that subsidies and mandates have contributed to the use of biofuels, and that biofuel crop cultivation has contributed to decreased cultivation of other food crops.  <br /><br />This is a major black mark against <em >first generation</em> biofuels as far as I'm concerned.  Like I said, future iterations may eliminate the land use/food price problems and make the fuel carbon neutral.  In that case I would be all for them.  It would avoid a lot of problems if we could keep our cars and planes as they are.  But even were we to ignore this generation's detrimental effect on world food supply, they're not even carbon neutral, and as such it's not accurate to see them as a solution to climate change. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:35:02 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Osmosis</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <a href="http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=113477" >New estimates put sea level rise at nearly double previous worst-case scenario</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7851227.stm" >$1.5tr pledged for global environmental reforms</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/jan/26/hospitals-nhs-meat-carbon" >NHS to promote meat-free meals to cut carbon</a>. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:47:05 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Cassius</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I'm trying to cut back on meat myself. Not so easy when my family is as carniverous as they come. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 03:07:26 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Osmosis</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE5135OY20090205" >Energy Secretary says climate change could end agriculture in California</a>.<blockquote >In his first interview since taking office last month, the Nobel Prize-winning physicist said his home state would suffer some of the most devastating effects of global warming if the nation did not act to slow its advance.</blockquote><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsQCj_PaWN0" >Brew up your own biodiesel</a> - via grinding.be. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:05:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ New turbine runs off waste heat.<br /><br />http://www.gizmag.com/solar-thermal-waste-heat-engine/10969/<br /><br />As a quick example, concentrating PV solar panels get very hot and use water or air to cool the panels. Around 10% of the energy transferred to that coolant can be recovered by this system boosting the whole system output by something like 3-5%. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:47:56 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Osmosis</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13097822&fsrc=rss" >Orbital carbon counting</a>.<blockquote >The new satellites will work as carbon accountants by keeping a close eye on how the Earth breathes and returning regular audits ... With the additional data that the satellites provide, researchers hope finally to shed light on the Earth’s complicated carbon cycle.</blockquote><a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,607412,00.html" >Germany will generate 30% of electricity renewably by 2020</a> (but still 40% by <strong >coal</strong>!)<blockquote >Germany's reliance on lignite-fired power plants have led many to call for a return to nuclear power. </blockquote><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7890988.stm" >Climate change 'beyond anything we've considered'</a>.<blockquote >Professor Chris Field, an author of a 2007 landmark report on climate change, said future temperatures "will be beyond anything" predicted. </blockquote> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:03:06 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Australia's CSIRO seems to be pretty far advanced in bringing printed solar cells to market:<br /><a href="http://www.solardaily.com/reports/Powering_The_Future_Solar_Cells_By_The_Metre_999.html" ><br />link 1</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/19/2496458.htm" >link 2</a><br /><br /><blockquote >The CSIRO's Gerry Wilson says once the printable cells reach the market in about five years, the cells will probably be much more efficient.<br /><br />"The print trials that we were conducting today, those printers typically run at 200 metres a minute, which is 100 kilometres per day.<br /><br />"If you were printing a solar cell that had only 10 per cent efficiency say, then we calculate that over five months, you'd be able to print enough plastic solar cells to generate a gigawatt of power." </blockquote><br /><br />Total annual solar cell output currently is around one GW. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:26:19 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Dry Observer</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I don't think I've posted the following public-domain invention for fending off rising sea levels while generating lots of renewable power. But just in case things start to get grim for anyone reading this, and you need to build some immense coastal structures with virtually no resources or relevant expertise...<br /><br />Well, here it is. A cheap, simple way to build massive seawalls and vast means of electrical generation, with almost no resources. Without a doubt, this is definitely a post-crash, emergency-rebuilding innovation. Make of it what you will.<br /><br />Oh, and regarding the following -- yes, it is a toy compared to my windpower invention, and yes, if the tidal-redirection concept doesn't work out, you'll have to move water by a more conventional (but still very simple) means, such as a reciprocating pump attached to a piece of your tidal barrage that generates no electricity, just kinetic energy (spinning the pump around and around). (At early stages of the project, the tide alone will be a more than adequate water source, and you will only need pumps of whatever description if you intend to build a truly towering structure.)<br /><br /><br />Chains of the Sea<br />Titanic Seawall Construction with Minimal Resources<br /><br />One of the great uncertainties of climate change (aka global warming) is how fast the land-based polar icecaps will melt and consequently raise sea levels. One thing we do know is that with even modest increases in ocean levels, most of our coastal cities and towns will be gravely threatened. If you had a simple, inexpensive method for building massive seawalls, with an implausibly minimal expenditure of energy and raw materials, you would at least have an optional method for protecting major cities, or even minor towns.<br /><br />On the other hand, there are existing demands for megascale seawall projects today. The city of New Orleans might well rest easier if her citizens could quickly and cheaply raise up a wall facing the sea capable of withstanding the mightiest hurricanes, the people of the Netherlands might also feel better if they could further reinforce their nation’s already formidable levy system, and there are those individuals who would simply like to wall off a small estuary as part of a tidal-power project.<br /><br />While any of these options (and particularly the last one) should be weighed carefully from an environmental perspective, I have decided to include the following invention because any of these applications could prove necessary to people facing a dire emergency. Whether protecting newly flooded lands, reinforcing existing flood defenses or seeking a new, vast source of renewable power, societies may find themselves in need of this technique.<br /><br />The core invention behind this process, incidentally, is not mine, and has in fact apparently been in public domain for some time. But I have added two potentially key modifications to the process to increase its utility for megascale projects. The system itself – if the original inventor’s observations and calculations are correct – should prove incredibly useful in the right circumstances, even without including my ideas in its operation.<br /><br />“Sea-ment” is a cement-like material formed when you apply an electric current to a metal grid in seawater. Mineral ions dissolved in seawater (such as calcium carbonate) bond electrochemically to the charged metal, forming a kind of cement coating. Calcium carbonate is extremely common in surface waters, and is a positive ion in seawater. If a positively charged anode and a negatively charged cathode are suspended in seawater with a current flowing between them, ions of calcium and carbonate will combine and accumulate on the cathode. These ions and other minerals will continue to build up as long as the<br />current flows.<br /><br />Typically you use a sheet of metal mesh, supported by conductive reinforcing bars, to serve as the cathode. These wires will become steadily more encrusted as your current flows through them. The gaps in the mesh eventually fill, creating a solid slab of what is essentially reinforced concrete. By putting sheets of this mesh within ½ inch of each other, you can create slabs of sea-ment of any thickness you choose.<br /><br />The stronger the current, the faster this material accumulates, but ironically, the weaker the sea-ment that will result. The concrete used in sidewalks has a strength of 3,500 psi (pounds per square inch). Ordinary sea-ment created on ½ inch hardware cloth is about 20% stronger. The strongest form of sea-ment is created by very slight flows of current and is accumulated over long periods of a year or more – resulting in strengths of up to 8,000 psi. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:29:47 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Titanic Seawall Construction, Continued...<br /><br />According to sea-ment’s inventor, Wolf Hilbertz, at a current density of 189 mA/ft2, a tenth of an inch of sea cement will accrete on ½ inch wire mesh in 170 hours. At this pace, .0005 inches/hour, the space in ½ inch mesh will be completely filled in after 500 hours, or about three weeks. At 12 volts, a kilowatt of power can generate a current density of 189 milliamps per square foot over an area of 441 square feet. In theory, then, 400 or so megawatts of electricity devoted to this work could produce several million tons of sea-ment over the course of a year. Clearly a tremendous investment of energy, though not so<br />much when you consider the raw energy (and material) costs of creating several million tons of slightly less durable conventional concrete and then shipping it to a seashore for construction. But where would you get that kind of power?<br /><br />Well, leaving aside other inventions for now – and we may have something far more powerful and sustainable to share with the world in the not-too-distant future – you can always manage generate a substantial fraction of the above power using a tidal barrage system. Such systems typically effect turbidity, salinity, sediment movements and kill some fish in their turbines. But they also generate a great deal of power. (Of the three operating, the largest on the Rance River can generate up to 240 megawatts at peak production.)<br /><br />The principle behind tidal barrages is quite simple. Essentially, the tide is allowed to flow through sluices into a walled-off stretch of seashore. Then the sluices are closed, and the water flows out through the system’s turbines. Quite a bit of energy can be thus generated every time the tide recedes, particularly if you have a large (and therefore more ecologically disturbing) project, and, of course, the working turbines to tap all that power.<br /><br />Again, given the environmental concerns, tidal barrage systems are not to be undertaken lightly, if at all. (I prefer environmental impacts of effectively zero, myself.) But if you are confident enough in the measures you have taken to compensate for these problems, or certain enough that the coastal environment can not be effected by them (because you have, for example, already turned it into a barren waste incapable of supporting any sea life), or – let’s be blunt – you’re already desperate enough due to an energy collapse or global-warming meltdown that these potential problems fade in importance compared to the ecological and/or human devastation sweeping in your direction… well, then here is a simple blueprint for how to create this system rather cheaply.<br /><br />It’s assumed most organizations undertaking the construction of a megascale seawall backed by tidal-barrage electricity have limited resources in terms of energy, assuming they are not facing some kind of global disaster (like rapidly rising sea levels). After all, if you had a great excess of energy, you would not need the tidal barrage system in the first place. In that case, start small and build your way up – walling off a very small estuary, cove or what-have-you to begin with (using sea-ment, of course), and use the energy created by the ebb and flow of that particular tide to create the sea-ment-based seawall for the next, larger<br />stage of your project – another, even larger tidal barrage.<br /><br />Eventually, you will have enough local power to handle whatever level of seawall construction you need… and if you’ve been clever, your tidal barrage seawalls can probably be included into whatever set of city or general coastal defenses you are working on.<br /><br />Finally, part of the point of your megascale structures may be to protect you not only from existing sea levels, but from the risk of an extremely rapid rise brought on by a sudden glacier slide-off or an unprecedented storm surge associated with a major hurricane. How can you use sea-ment to counter such problems without falling back on the crude solution of producing slabs of the material underwater and then setting those sections on top of the primary sea-ment seawall you have already created beneath the waves? That plan may work if you have a crane and many workers, but ideally you would prefer a single powerful structure more or less grown together, not a set of slabs bolted together atop an impressive, well-integrated foundation. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:30:27 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Dry Observer</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Titanic Seawall Construction, Continued...<br /><br />Once again we turn to my hydraulic water pump system, in this case the tidal hydraulic pump, for assistance. By setting up a robust system (as described earlier in this series) that takes in a considerable amount of water and kinetic force from the incoming tide, you can then direct a portion of that water to rise to the top of your wall, spilling carbonate-saturated seawater over your structure with every movement of the ocean. A gentle but near-continuous flow of seawater should give your electrical mesh the raw materials it needs, especially if you can shape your piping and layer your mesh to slow down and break up that flow as it descends, increasing the amount of time that water spends in contact with your cathode. At worst, you should at least be able to create a partially accreted mass of seament to serve as a framework if the structure is abruptly drowned or if you have to add something manually to that above-surface mass.<br /><br />I have not seen other assessments of Wolf Hilbertz’ figures for this slow-paced, low-energy accumulation of sea-ment, and would suggest experimenting on a very small scale to see how well his method works in your waters, regardless. If, for example, you have no environment to threaten with tidal barrages because tremendous acidification of your seawaters have killed off all native life… well, a further downside may be the impact of high acid levels on your sea-ment and wire meshes. Hopefully, most builders will not be in that position, but a small amount of inexpensive testing seems a wise precaution, regardless. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 05:34:36 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Solar cell costs should drop below $1 a watt <a href="http://www.solardaily.com/reports/Solar_Module_Sales_Price_Of_One_Dollar_Per_Watt_No_Longer_Theory_999.html" >next year.</a><br /><br />That's the point where it becomes as cheap as coal. <br /><br />The company in question is targetting an eventual cost of 75 cents per watt. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 05:50:50 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Finagle</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Apropos of this - I used to be the original domain registrar for photovoltaics.com on behalf of the original inventor. Back in 1997 or so, it looked like the work of a total crank.  I parted ways with the inventor/patent holder (for a new type of cheap photovoltaic cell) after getting paid.  Now I'm kicking myself.  It isn't the same domain holder anymore, but I'm sure he sold it off in the early 00's before the crash for a nice sum. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:04:53 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Charlene</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <em >climate change is not an abstract future environmental problem, but that it is affecting humans now, and it is hitting the poorest first and worst.</em><br /><br />more info? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:21:26 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>city creed</author>
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			<![CDATA[ yep. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:25:16 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Osmosis</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Here's an example: <a href="http://www.oxfam.org.uk/resources/policy/climate_change/downloads/vietnam_cc_adaptation_poverty.pdf" >Vietnam, climate change, adaptation and poor people</a> (Oxfam International, 2008). Nb: pdf. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:35:50 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >Scientists have produced more evidence of a strong link between climate change and the spread of malaria.<br /><br />A study in the highland parts of Kenya has identified a <strong >significant increase in cases of malaria over a 30-year period, apparently caused by a rise in temperature of just half-a-degree Celsius.</strong></blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/16/2492693.htm?section=world" >Link</a><br /><br /><blockquote >Evidence that human-induced climate change may be affecting the Asian monsoon cycle has been published by a Chinese-US team. </blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://www.scidev.net/en/climate-change-and-energy/greenhouse-gases/climate-change-linked-to-decline-in-asian-monsoon.html?utm_source=link&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=en_climatechangeandenergy_greenhousegases" >link</a><br /><blockquote ><br />Monsoon rains in Asia are behaving ever more strangely, often with catastrophic effects, an Indian official has told climate experts at the Earth System Science Partnership (ESSP) meeting in Beijing.<br /><br />The monsoons always have the capacity to cause flooding, and often do. But when the rains strike at an odd time or in the wrong place they can be devastating. A late onset of monsoon rains in the Marathwada region of Maharashtra state this year caused a mix-up that resulted in 400 drought-struck villages being wiped away by floodwaters, along with more than 700 deaths, Nagpur legislative member Devendra Fadnavis told conference-goers on 11 November. </blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2929" >link</a> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:43:36 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >Climate change is already affecting people across Africa and will wipe out efforts to tackle poverty there unless urgent action is taken, a report says.<br /><br />Droughts are getting worse and climate uncertainty is growing, the research from a coalition of UK aid agencies and environmental groups says. <br />...<br /><br />It says that although climates across Africa have always been erratic, scientific research and the experience of the contributing groups "indicates new and dangerous extremes".<br /><br />Arid or semi-arid areas in northern, western, eastern and parts of southern Africa are becoming drier, while equatorial Africa and other parts of southern Africa are getting wetter, the report says.<br /><br />The continent is, on average, 0.5C warmer than it was 100 years ago, but temperatures have risen much higher in some areas - such as a part of Kenya which has become 3.5C hotter in the past 20 years, the agencies report. </blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6092564.stm" >link</a><br /><br /><blockquote >In West Africa, annual rainfall has decreased 20 to 40% from the period 1931-1960 to 1968-1990. </blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://In West Africa, annual rainfall has decreased 20 to 40% from the period 1931-1960 to 1968-1990." >link</a><br /><br />Good thing it's all just a hoax perpetrated part of Obama's commie/fascist/capitalist/globalist conspiracy to take away Americans' cars - just ask Alan Martin. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:37:48 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>oga</author>
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			<![CDATA[ What do you think of the hypothesis that the earth is actually emerging from an ice age and is moving into a warm and wet cycle?  Antartica could melt and we'd discover the ruins of Atlantis . . . ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:08:17 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ "What do you think of the hypothesis that the earth is actually emerging from an ice age and is moving into a warm and wet cycle?"<br /><br />The current interglacial has already lasted longer than the average and we should in fact be heading back towards cooler weather - and current temperatures are already higher than in any of the previous interglacials going back about 700,000 years.<br /><br />Plus if there <strong >is </strong>an underlying warming trend, the last thing we want to do is make it worse. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:54:17 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Labyrinthine</author>
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			<![CDATA[ What I'm finding interesting at the moment is <a href="http://flood.firetree.net/?ll=-27.8390,138.1640&z=13&m=7" >this</a>. Which of your cities are going to be how far under water, depending on the predicted range of sea-level rise? Whoops, there goes Sydney Airport...<br /><br />I wish I'd found this site as a teenager because back then I was trying to write a post-apocalyptic story and decided to get realistic and find a sufficiently detailed topographical map of Sydney so I could estimate which bits of the city my characters could live in. The actual story detoured into an epic quest to find said map, which proved entirely nonexistent despite a very thorough and exasperating search of Sydney Uni's library. Now I know! ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:02:44 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >For more than a decade the Global Climate Coalition, a group representing industries with profits tied to fossil fuels, led an aggressive lobbying and public relations campaign against the idea that emissions of heat-trapping gases could lead to global warming.<br /><br />“The role of greenhouse gases in climate change is not well understood,” the coalition said in a scientific “backgrounder” provided to lawmakers and journalists through the early 1990s, adding that “scientists differ” on the issue.<br /><br />But a document filed in a federal lawsuit demonstrates that even as the coalition worked to sway opinion, its own scientific and technical experts were advising that the science backing the role of greenhouse gases in global warming could not be refuted.<br /><br />“The scientific basis for the Greenhouse Effect and the potential impact of human emissions of greenhouse gases such as CO2 on climate is well established and cannot be denied,” the experts wrote in an internal report compiled for the coalition in 1995.<br /><br />The coalition was financed by fees from large corporations and trade groups representing the oil, coal and auto industries, among others. In 1997, the year an international climate agreement that came to be known as the Kyoto Protocol was negotiated, its budget totaled $1.68 million, according to tax records obtained by environmental groups.<br /><br />Throughout the 1990s, when the coalition conducted a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign challenging the merits of an international agreement, policy makers and pundits were fiercely debating whether humans could dangerously warm the planet. Today, with general agreement on the basics of warming, the debate has largely moved on to the question of how extensively to respond to rising temperatures.<br /><br />Environmentalists have long maintained that industry knew early on that the scientific evidence supported a human influence on rising temperatures, but that the evidence was ignored for the sake of companies’ fight against curbs on greenhouse gas emissions. Some environmentalists have compared the tactic to that once used by tobacco companies, which for decades insisted that the science linking cigarette smoking to lung cancer was uncertain. By questioning the science on global warming, these environmentalists say, groups like the Global Climate Coalition were able to sow enough doubt to blunt public concern about a consequential issue and delay government action. </blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/science/earth/24deny.html?_r=3&hp" >Link</a> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:29:49 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>GWillow</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Wow. Osmosis, we are of one mind. <br /><br />If this works out well, I think I'll make it a regular May Day thing:<br /><br /><blockquote >Whacky as it is, AIR is a book with a message. So, for every copy of AIR bought this May Day (Friday, May 1st), I will donate $1 to the <a href="http://www.korufoundation.org/index.html" >Koru Foundation</a>, a UK-based charity that helps impoverished communites the world over develop low-cost renewable energy projects, bringing climate-friendly electricity to villages without a single light bulb. Ironically, the people most threatened by climate change are those who had the least responsibility in creating it. I saw this firsthand in North Africa, where desertification is already destroying ancient farming cultures. By acting now, we can help ease the burden on our planet while bringing power to communities without it.<br /><br />Here is what to do:<br /><br />1. On Friday, May 1st, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Air-Vol-Letters-Lost-Countries/dp/140122153X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240587688&sr=1-1" >click here</a> to purchase a copy of AIR: Letters from Lost Countries from Amazon.com <br />2. Email info [at] gwillowwilson [dot] com. Write ‘May Day AIRlift’ in the Subject line. In the body of the email, copy and paste your Amazon order number. Do NOT include any financial information, your address, or anything else! Just the order number. [Note: you can also buy from your LCS; if you do, send a scan or photo of the receipt instead. Black out any account numbers/addresses first.]<br />3. Sit back, wait for your book to arrive, and feel good about having done something for our planet. </blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://www.gwillowwilson.com/index.php/site/blog/may_day_airlift/" >More info here</a>. If this is an issue you guys are passionate about, I'd appreciate your help spreading the word. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:50:25 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ This is one of those" probably too good to be true" stories.<br /><br />Simple barriers on the ground underneath wind turbines channel more wind past the turbines, increasing the effective speed. Supposedly power output can be increased by 30% and the barriers can be retrofitted to existing  turbines.<br /><br /><a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2009/04/29/wind-turbine-output-boosted-30-by-breakthrough-design/" >link </a><br /><br /><img src="http://go635254.s3.amazonaws.com/cleantechnica/files/2009/04/wind_energizer.jpg" alt="" > ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:11:08 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ First really practicable home wind turbine:<br /><blockquote ><br />Recently EarthTronics, which is based in Muskegon, Michigan, has developed a wind turbine that can be used by individual homes. EarthTronics also claims that it can operate at speeds as low as 2 miles an hour. Consequently, homeowners this fall will be able to buy a wind turbine at hardware stores that tackles the small wind industry’s bete noire: slow wind. This turbine is named as Honeywell Wind Turbine and it will be distributed through Ace Hardware stores in the U.S. It will be sold for $4,500. WindTronics developed the turbine and licensed the technology to buildings systems giant Honeywell.</blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://www.alternative-energy-news.info/small-low-speed-wind-turbine/" >link</a><br /><br />Of course 2000 kilowatt hours a year would save the average consumer $400-600 a year assuming it all gets used. so unless the turbine lasts well over 10 years it really isn't going to make a lot of financial sense. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:35:57 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Osmosis</author>
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			<![CDATA[ The UK and US governments each released surveys of how climate change will affect those countries this week.<br /><br />A summary of and link to the UK study is <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8107014.stm" >here</a> from BBC News.<br /><br />New Scientist links to the US study and a Google Map of the predictions <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17341-explore-how-climate-change-might-affect-the-us.html" >here</a>. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:29:53 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Australia released a similar report a few months back.<br /><br />Summary: "OMFG, we're all going to die!" ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:39:44 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Finagle</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I just looked up my current address on <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/16/AR2009061603391.html?hpid=topnews" >that sea level projections map</a>. I'm just far enough back from the bay, set back on a hill, that my apartment is pretty much guaranteed to be beachfront property in 20 years.      Now I'm a bit ambivalent about stopping climate change. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:13:42 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Osmosis</author>
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			<![CDATA[ OMFG, we're all going to die!  So let's cut our emissions 5-15%!  <br /><br />... I'll be honest, I don't understand the logic of the Australian government. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:14:18 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Nyee</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Well, if you look at all the science data, there are more scary projections then the whole global warming situation.  It does suck, its something people need to work on changing, starting with getting the batshit crazy Evangelical southern US people on board.  We don't need them bombing projects like they love to bomb abortion clinics.  Its either that or we just need to give them water laced with infertility drugs.  God made us do it.. :)  <br /><br />Anyways, what I was gonna mention was that the who affects of global warming is wayyy less then the effects of our solar system falling into a black hole, or giant solar flares etc etc.  However, we can only tackle things we can handle, which leaves us to worry about global warming. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:36:47 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Finagle</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2009/06/27/conn_man_modifies_pickup_to_run_on_wood_waste/?page=2" >Here's an interesting article</a> on a pickup modified to run on everyday organic waste - wood, garbage - through <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasification" >gasification </a>technology from the 1890's. <br /><br />Green steampunk technology! If the thing was covered in brass and had a few extra analog gauges on it, he'd make a mint. <br />---<br /><blockquote >His pickup truck appears to run like any other and easily reached 40 mph and above on local roads on a recent day, but it has no gas tanks. Nichols says he can get it up to more than 80 mph. The only noticeable difference is a contraption, right behind the cab's rear window, that takes up some of the back and looks somewhat like a wood stove.<br /><br />A metal barrel, where the heating occurs, extends just above the cab's roof. The gas is captured from the barrel and a vacuum system sucks it through piping that runs under the truck to the engine.<br /><br />Nichols says he's driven it 10,000 miles without gas, including a trip about three months ago when he loaded up the back with about 400 pounds of wood and drove some 600 miles across Connecticut, then to New Hampshire and Boston before returning home. A pound of wood or other material will fuel his truck for 1 to 2 miles, meaning that the truck costs about 8 cents a mile to fuel, compared to roughly 19 cents per mile if it used gasoline at today's prices.</blockquote><br /><br />The Wikipedia article states there is little current wide-scale industrial use of gasification.  There's an interesting pilot program at the University of Iowa to use<a href="http://www.facilities.uiowa.edu/uem/OREP.htm" > locally sourced syngas.</a> Although not currently using gasification, the university is currently<a href="http://energy.uiowa.edu/renewableenergy.htm" > burning oat hulls</a> in their physical plant to extend/dilute their current coal usage with a carbon-neutral source. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:41:01 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ So, you know how nuclear power is cheap and reliable and will solve all our problems?<br /><br />Maybe not.<br /><br /><a href="http://au.biz.yahoo.com/090701/33/276yk.html" >Finnish reactor </a>is three years behind schedule and faces massive cost overruns.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.canada.com/Ontario+nullifies+nuclear+plant+plans/1746538/story.html" >Canada </a>cancels two reactors due to cost blow-outs ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:48:23 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ The G8 summit ended with the developed countries agreeing to cut emissions by 80% by 2050.<br /><br />The five major developing countries also present say they'll set a 2050 target for themselves by December.<br /><br />The problem is there's no binding mechanism and no intermediate target.<br /><br />The Indians apparently offered to commit to a 50% reduction by 2050 if the G8 would commit to a 2020 reduction target of 25-40%.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/07/g8-nations-emissions-agreement.php" >link</a> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:00:47 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Osmosis</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I just committed an act of bloggery <a href="http://ukycc.org/2009/07/17/weekend-reading-17-july-2009/" >here</a>.  Just a summary of an energy market report and a Commons debate, but it's actually the first blog I've ever written, so vaguely exciting (to me). ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:03:33 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I haven't read the full article yet but this looks pretty reasonable:<br /><br /><blockquote >"Done right," biofuels can be produced in large quantities and have multiple benefits, but only if they come from feedstocks produced with low life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions, as well as minimal competition with food production. This consensus emerges in a new journal article by researchers from the University of Minnesota, Princeton, MIT and the University of California, Berkeley.<br />....<br />The paper coincides with climate change policy debates in Congress, and tackles land use issues that have generated much controversy in recent years: Specifically, the greenhouse gases released when land is cleared to grow biofuel crops (or when other lands are cleared to compensate for food crops displaced by biofuel crops) can-for decades to centuries-exceed those from petroleum use.<br />...<br />To balance biofuel production, food security and emissions reduction, the authors conclude that the global biofuels industry must focus on five major sources of renewable biomass:<br /><br />+ Perennial plants grown on degraded lands abandoned from agricultural use<br /><br />+ Crop residues<br /><br />+ Sustainably harvested wood and forest residues<br /><br />+ Double crops and mixed cropping systems<br /><br />+ Municipal and industrial wastes<br /><br />These sources can provide considerable amounts of biomass, at least 500 million tons per year in the United States alone, without incurring any significant land use carbon dioxide releases.<br /><br />"We need to transition away from using food for biofuels toward more sustainable feedstocks that can be produced with much less impact on the environment," said the U of M's Hill, a resident fellow of the Institute on the Environment.</blockquote><br /><br />http://www.biofueldaily.com/reports/11_Leading_National_Experts_Reach_Consensus_On_Beneficial_Biofuels_999.html ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:38:53 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>gzapata</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I thought up this idea a long while ago but of course no idea is new and maybe a year ago or so I saw someone on the daily show talking about it but what about towers that produce food, maybe raise livestock on different floors. I always thought about this specifically for food but this could also be used I assume for producing biofuel. It also might turn more of a profit in that way giving more incentive to do it. Does anyone else know what I'm talking? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:40:01 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>gzapata</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <a href="http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/enlarge/food-tower.html" ><br /><br />found it heh</a> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:15:11 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Osmosis</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @gzapata: <a href="http://www.globaldashboard.org/2009/07/16/urban-farming-fantasies-survivalism-gets-hip/" >Solving food scarcity was never so aesthetically pleasing</a>! ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:32:52 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Treehugger discusses the European carbon trading system:<br /><br /><blockquote >It's one of the most common lines you hear from cap and trade opponents: "Well, just look at Europe." You see, the European Union Emissions Trading System was long thought to be a spectacular failure. It initially allowed utility companies to reap massive profits, since they were given their permits for free and passed the cost of carbon onto consumers--nearly the opposite of what was supposed to happen. Additionally, for a long time, many thought ETS would be sorely inadequate to get EU nations to meet their Kyoto targets, making the whole process a waste of time. Well, the days of bashing Europe's cap and trade are over--a new report reveals that despite its major stumblings, it's actually been a spectacular success.<br /><br />According to Climate Progress, the report, Climate Policy and Industrial Competitiveness (pdf), completed by the economists, climate scientists, and academics of the German Marshall Fund, reveals that Europe's cap and trade has lead many countries in the EU to meet their carbon targets as agreed to in the Kyoto Protocol.<br /><br /><strong >The trading system has created a healthy carbon market now worth 56 billion US dollars, and has reduced Europe's emissions by 50-100 million metric tons a year since 2005. In other words, the cap and trade has been responsible for Europe reducing its carbon emissions by 2.5-5% annually. </strong>Which is indeed a pretty impressive achievement. And the success has been largely due to the fact that the system's design separated its implementation process into 3 phases, so there would be pause for analysis and adjustment. This allowed policymakers to consistently reevaluate the system, and they were able to stop problems, like the aforementioned practice of sticking consumers with the cost of carbon.<br /><br />So, let's see. Hugely significant amounts of carbon emissions cut, and Kyoto targets within reach? Check. A robust, investment-attracting carbon market? Check. Flexibility and room for further improvement? Check. Sounds like a success to me. </blockquote> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 06:59:07 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>looneynerd</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/08/18/ancient.global.warming/index.html" >More proof the environment was fucked long before the industrial age</a>. This is a theory that's been floating around the environmental branch of history for a while, but I guess we're not getting some hard proof. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:06:08 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>gzapata</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I remember reading somewhere that when the american indians were wiped out there was a time between then and when the europeans took over where the forests regrew and took a massive amount of the greenhouse gasses out of the atmosphere as it began to heal itself. I can't remember it very well but it was an interesting thought ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:14:18 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Thought this was interesting:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.treehugger.com/sheep-grazing-solar-farm-photo.jpg" alt="" ><br /><br />So you can have an operating solar farm and farm sheep on the same land.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/08/sheep-grazing-maintaining-solar.php" >link</a> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:59:53 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Prestwick</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Meanwhile in the hard-nosed world of the Military, the <a href="http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/07/army-starts-solar-plant-next-step-care-about-cilmate-change/" >US Army plans to build a 500 megawat solar plant in the desert</a>. They and DARPA are also doing research into renewables as they are frankly more reliable than what they're using at the moment which are deisel generators at the mercy of supply lines vunerable to enemy attack. <br /><br />This comes at a time when the US Air Force is trying to reduce its reliance on foreign oil by switching more and more to biofuels.<br /><br />The most interesting aspect? The US Military has <em >regular blogger conference calls</em>. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 05:20:03 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @Prestwick: I omit a lot of articles on renewables etc but a couple of weeks back New Scientist had an article about the US Navy working on formulating fuel from carbon dioxide  and hydrogen from sea water.<br /><br />While they talk about the environmental benefits etc, you jsut know what they dream about a nuclear ship the size of an aircraft carrier that can pump out an unlimited supply of diesel and jet fuel anywhere in the world. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 06:54:54 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Prestwick</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Yes, these are purely practical and selfish reasons why they're developing this stuff. Less fuel for power generators means more capacity for ferrying around the important things such as men, and supplies. Because war and armed forces are two things which will probably be with us for a long time, its an area of carbon emissions that hasn't really be lobbied properly yet. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:34:40 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ This is promising: organic Rankine cycle technology extracts power from low-temperature sources.<br /><br />They use commercial refrigerator technology as much as possible so the costs are quite low. The additional cost to recover energy from the hot waste water being pumped out of the mine in the example they use in the article is around 1 cent per kilowatt hour. <br /><br />You could probably put a couple of domestic solar hot water collectors on your roof and get at least a decent percentage of your total household power using this technology.<br /><a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/09/geothermal-electric-power-generation.php#comments" ><br />link</a> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:25:06 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Production of solar cells grew 80% last year with 60% of them being installed in Europe.<br /><br /><blockquote >According to the analysis, global PV production increased to about 7.3 GW in 2008, an 80% rise on the previous year.<br /><br />Europe's production of solar cells rose from 1.1 GW to 1.9 GW, while the installed capacity increased threefold to 4.8 GW. This was mainly led by Spain, where installed capacity almost quintupled from 560 MW in 2007 to 2.5–2.7 GW.<br /><br />The cumulative installed PV electricity generation capacity in the world was around 15 GW, with Europe accounting for more than 60% of this (9.5 GW).<br /><br />The study, conducted by the JRC Institute for Energy (IE), gives an overview of current activities in research, manufacturing and market implementation in this sector. The report shows that European PV production has grown on average by 50% per annum since 1999 and its market share has increased to 26% in 2008. In terms of electricity generation, photovoltaics contributed in 2008 for about 0.35 % of Europe's final electricity consumption.<br /><br />However, the report does note that global investment in renewable energies and energy efficiency was hit by the financial crisis in late 2008 and early 2009, “but is now showing signs of a strong recovery.” Identifying a significant slowdown in investment in the second half of 2008 (-10% in the third quarter; -23% in the fourth), that continued in the first quarter of 2009 (down 47% compared with the fourth quarter of 2008), this trend started to reverse in the second quarter (+83% compared with the first quarter of 2009).<br /><br />The analysis names China as the new leading producer of solar cells, with an annual production of about 2.4 GW, followed by Europe with 1.9 GW, Japan with 1.2 GW and Taiwan with 0.8 GW. Should this trend continue, China might be expected have secured about 32% of world-wide production capacity by 2012.</blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/10/pv-module-production-doubles-in-2008" >link</a> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:33:59 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>groundxero</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/11/07/weather-channel-founder-global-warming-greatest-scam-history" ><strong >Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’</strong></a> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:08:12 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>StefanJ</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @groundxero: Heh. One of those neanderthal* midwestern senators once claimed that global warming was invented <em >by </em>the Weather Channel as a way of drumming up ratings.<br /><br />* No offense to actual neanderthals. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:25:47 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Marty Nozz</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I'm all for cleaner energy resources and conserving our resources, but I'm so tired of the climate change we're all gonna die scare tactic.  People are still banging on about Global warming when we're experiencing a cooling phase.  Why can't all the media and politicians just say "hey, having a clean environment is a good thing, let's all work to help with that."  No it's "We gotta change our way or we'll destroy the planet."<br /><br />I'm with John Coleman. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:29:38 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ "People are still banging on about Global warming when we're experiencing a cooling phase."<br /><br />This would be a valid point if we were, in fact, experiencing a cooling phase. <br /><br /><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png" alt="" ><br /><br />Look at the thick red line, not the skinny black line.<br /><br />What does it tell you? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:32:58 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >The world’s ocean surface temperature was the warmest on record for June, breaking the previous high mark set in 2005, according to a preliminary analysis by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. Additionally, the combined average global land and ocean surface temperature for June was second-warmest on record. The global records began in 1880.</blockquote><br /><br />http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090725120303.htm ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:23:50 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>William George</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I don't know how people can call it "the Global Warming Scam" since it's supported by hard data. Nor does it seem to lead to the perpetrators of the scam getting rich... the point of a scam. There's far more money in being a big oil lobbyist.<br /><br /><blockquote >Why can't all the media and politicians just say "hey, having a clean environment is a good thing, let's all work to help with that." No it's "We gotta change our way or we'll destroy the planet."</blockquote><br /><br />At no point in history has the human race ever done anything due to it being a good idea. Self interest has always driven everything we've done. Even if future science shows that what the data was showing was interpreted wrong, the many many reasons for cleaning up will never be attempted without the fear of loss of comfort, or of death, driving it. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:59:03 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>gzapata</author>
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			<![CDATA[ pretty much what William George said. It's hard for people to fathom doing something to fix a problem that they won't face in their lifetimes. Think of it as procrastination on a world scale heh ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:15:40 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Marty Nozz</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Yeah, not buying it.  I remember back in the 70s when everyone was facing freaking out over Global cooling and a new ice age was going to be what was going to kill us all.  Climate change in a natural process.  The human effect upon it exists, but not the scale many keep claiming.  The whole thing just sounds like a scam on too many levels.  I don't trust the a lot of the sources for the data presented supporting Global Warming nor many of the methods used to gather said data.<br /><br />Nothing against you guys, I just don't agree with it.  I still picked my car out based on best gas mileage and do my bit to keep my area clean. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:31:06 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Nygaard</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Damn; can't relocate the link. I remember reading an article whose main point was that the global cooling scare was a media-generated rogue-meme-type hype; few if any actual scientists made the claim. Anyone wanna do my homework for me? :) ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:00:24 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Ironically,the main proponent of the impending ice age scare of the 1970's was Nigel Calder - who happens to be a climate change skeptic. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:37:33 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>William George</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >Yeah, not buying it. I remember back in the 70s when everyone was facing freaking out over Global cooling and a new ice age was going to be what was going to kill us all. </blockquote><br /><br />One of the main beauties of science is how unreliable it is. New data comes along and replaces the old data. Sometimes the new data supports previous theories. Sometimes it shows the previous interpretation was wrong. Current data suggests heating up. <br /><br />And if what Nygaard up above says is true, none of this matters since there were no claims of global cooling to begin with. <br /><br /><blockquote >Climate change in a natural process. </blockquote><br /><br />Sure is! Over a very long time. Not a century. <br /><br /><blockquote >The human effect upon it exists, but not the scale many keep claiming.</blockquote><br /><br />In that case: I shouldn't flush my toilet unless there's whole lot of poo in it because small poos haven't made much of an impact in the growing smelliness of my bathroom.<br /><br /><blockquote >The whole thing just sounds like a scam on too many levels. </blockquote><br /><br />And the reward of such a scam is...? Remember, scams must have rewards. <br /><br /><blockquote >I don't trust the a lot of the sources for the data presented supporting Global Warming nor many of the methods used to gather said data.</blockquote><br /><br />Such as? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:02:50 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>gzapata</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Idk when the science is all on one side and the people who would have the most to gain if things continued the way they are are on the other...it gets tough to decide who is being truthful :-)<br /><br /><br />The thing I find interesting is that the sceptics never seem to put out scientists to validate their points. Does mainstream America not ever notice this? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:28:27 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Verissimus</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >I still picked my car out based on best gas mileage and do my bit to keep my area clean.</blockquote><br /><br />The first part of that statement contradicts the second part. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:29:51 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Marty Nozz</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @William: The people who would gain from the scam are those who are selling the "carbon offsets", Government because they can use this to install new regulations, and of course Al Gore who has used this as a way to make people still care about him.<br /><br />Many of the groups producing the data stand to gain quite a bit by way of grants.  They say there's a problem and they get money thrown their way to find a solution.  This is why I find Coleman's opinion to hold a great deal of weight.  It's in his best interest to be as accurate as he possibly can be in regards to weather, so I trust his opinion.<br /><br />@Verus: If they had a car that ran on good intentions, I'd buy it, but they don't.<br /><br />To all: I do greatly appreciate the civility demonstrated.  Lesser forums would have devolved to named calling by now.  Thank you.  I do know I'm not going to change anyone's mind on the subject, and I'm steadfast in my belief on the matter.  I've added my two cents, so I'm pretty much done. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:55:13 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Associated Press decided to get an independent opinion on claims of "global cooling".<br /><br />So they hired four independent statisticians, gave them the NOAA average global temperature data set <strong >without telling them what it was a data set for </strong> and here's what they found:<br /><br /><blockquote ><br />Statisticians who analyzed the data found a distinct decades-long upward trend in the numbers, but could not find a significant drop in the past 10 years in either data set. The ups and downs during the last decade repeat random variability in data as far back as 1880.<br /><br />Saying there's a downward trend since 1998 is not scientifically legitimate, said David Peterson, a retired Duke University statistics professor and one of those analyzing the numbers.<br /><br />Identifying a downward trend is a case of "people coming at the data with preconceived notions," said Peterson, author of the book "Why Did They Do That? An Introduction to Forensic Decision Analysis."</blockquote><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/ap_on_sc/us_sci_global_cooling" >link</a> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:11:32 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>StefanJ</author>
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			<![CDATA[ More:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091023163513.htm" >Arctic Sediments Show That 20th Century Warming Is Unlike Natural Variation</a><br /><br /><blockquote >ScienceDaily (Oct. 25, 2009) — The possibility that climate change might simply be a natural variation like others that have occurred throughout geologic time is dimming, according to evidence in a Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences paper published October 19.<br /><br />The research reveals that sediments retrieved by University at Buffalo geologists from a remote Arctic lake are unlike those seen during previous warming episodes.</blockquote> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:20:14 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Kosmopolit</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Promising news in advanced nuclear technology from<a href="http://www.physorg.com/news177678729.html" > Idaho National Labs.</a><br /><br />They're designing the next generation of nuclear reactors. Rather than fuel rods the Uranium will will be enclosed in layers of carbon and carbide and rather than water they'll use gas as the coolant/heat transfer mechanism.<br /><br />All that means the reactor can run at a higher power density - so more of the Uranium actually gets used up (up to three times as much as in current reactors). That extends the fuel supply and also means there's less waste because more of the Uranium is used up and  the smaller reactor vessel means less secondary irradiated waste.<br /><br />The Uranium balls are also supposed to be safer to work with than fuel rods - rods have been known to break or become jammed inside the reactor. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:07:19 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/01/jet-engine-wind-turbine-4-times-efficient-market.php" >FloDesign </a>has been working on their shrouded wind turbine for several years but unlike lots of promising technologies this one delivers.<br /><br />Ignore the hype about "jet engine" designs, the basic concept is very simple. The housing around the turbine concentrates the wind into a smaller area, increasing the speed which lets the turbine run for more of the time.<br /><br />This should reduce the cost of wind power to somewhere close to the cost of coal - and because the turbines run more of the time, they also address concerns about the intermittent nature of wind power.<br /><br />There's an even simpler conceptually similar technology that puts a kind of skirt around the base of the turbine tower to deflect the wind up and increase the average wind speed, there's no reason that couldn't be combined with the flodesign turbines. ]]>
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