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  1.  (515.1)
    Saw this term on io9, on a "what's the next punk" post

    Most of them sucked, and just new words for old things. But this one captured me, 60s and 70s aesthetic design for modern technology.

    I mean c'mon, lets make some of those gadgets from early Bond films.

    Thought I'd throw this out there...

    (ps, is it just me, or is io9 infuriating at times?)
    • CommentAuthorKosmopolit
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008
     (515.2)
    Forget Bond.

    I want a shoe phone.
  2.  (515.3)
    I'm still waiting for rococopunk, well really I am waiting until this obsession with endless steampunk spinoff concepts finally goes away... It is getting close to a world record attempt at shark jumping.
    • CommentAuthorMalifer
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008
     (515.4)
    That cracks me up. Hehe. Shagpunk. Funny.
  3.  (515.5)
    Funny: an acquaintance of mine did a photoshoot the other day in a room with deep shag carpeting, polished mahogany Seventies-design wardrobe doors, and I was commenting to them that there was a weird disconnect between the clothing and the environment, like a timeslip from 2008 to 1973...
  4.  (515.6)
    Where's my Thunderball Jetpack?

    I quite like the irony of shagpunk, harking back to the art of an era of free love when we don't have it now.

    Infohippies.
  5.  (515.7)
    would Fraction's Cassanova and the video game No One Lives Forever fit into this classification? I think it's an awesome concept. I've been reading Modern Mechanics recently which is heavily (although not exclusively) focused on WW2 era visions of the future - http://blog.modernmechanix.com/. I've been thinking how woderful a game set in that vision of the future would be. There's this strong focus on the kitchen as a center of technological innovation, and since it's just before the emergence of the computer it has this nostalgic, innocent feel to it.
    • CommentAuthorjessnevins
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008
     (515.8)
    Yes, but this will lead to action heroes who look like this. And this. And this. And, yes, this.

    Is the world ready for that?
  6.  (515.9)
    It is far readier for that than it is for spandex.
  7.  (515.10)
    Well, not sure. I think there is a different between what would be shagpunk, "retro" and the campy 60s spy genre.

    All of this suffixpunk is about jarring juxapositions of culture, time and aesthetics (and possibly levels of technology). Steampunk, to me, was what would happen to Victorian Britain if the advancement of the nuclear and information age happened 100 years ago without the atom, microchip, transistor. We would experience globalisation and fear of a small work, but on zeppelins across the empire, not easyjet and package holidays. The question is how culture would approach the same modern problems.

    How would SpringPunk deal with world wide global conflict? Clockwork tanks? Wonderfully oil-painted propaganda posters?

    So, thinking about Shagpunk, it would be the 60s, but not the campy campy austin powers 60s. It'll be psychedelical, but not to "expand your mind", but to escape from an ever increasing scary place (possibly because everything is nuclear)
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      CommentAuthorctanguis
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008
     (515.11)
    I don't think the world is ready for that. Apparently the model was not ready for it, either. Though he did seem quite excited by the thought of playing tennis and eating cherries...
    • CommentAuthorjessnevins
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008
     (515.12)
    Can we just stop calling anything "-punk" if it lacks a political, rebellious, subversive element?

    There are a lot of apt critical terms to apply to these various subgenres, real or imagined. "-punk" isn't one of them.
  8.  (515.13)
    That third picture is totally a ShagPunk villian.

    "I have the nuclear weapons and I gave your girlfriend 13 different types of sexually transmitted disease."
  9.  (515.14)
    Errr... nope.

    But Shagpunk definetly is a great idea.
  10.  (515.15)
    How about historical subversiveness?
    • CommentAuthorjessnevins
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008
     (515.16)
    Punk wasn't about subverting history. Neither are most of the "-punks" mentioned. They're gaslight romances, or technological fantasias, or alternate histories. (Sometimes all three at once). But there's nothing political about them. There's nothing rebellious or counter-culture about Austin Powers with a cell phone and a pain ray. It's just science fiction with the visual aesthetic of the seventies.
  11.  (515.17)
    So there's no politics in, say, Steamboy?

    Which I thought was all an allegory about nuclear armament.

    No politics in Austin Powers? No sexual politics? (she boffs that italian without a thought to stds) No drug politics? (he realises all his musical heroes are dead from overdoses). Financial politics? (A meeeeeeelion dollars ain't that much anymore).

    I suppose subtlety was exactly Punks strongpoint (when screaming "anarchy" enough will do)
    • CommentAuthorjmarquiso
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008
     (515.18)
    <em>There's nothing rebellious or counter-culture about Austin Powers with a cell phone and a pain ray. It's just science fiction with the visual aesthetic of the seventies.</em>

    Wouldn't that simply be retrofuturism?

    Considering steampunk jumped back from cyberpunk, it's about a altnernative subculture with some body modificiation and/or subversive technology involved. Or something.

    Shagpunk needs an extra something to not make it simply retrofuturist camp.

    I like the introduction of the psychedelic aspect of films from this time, and bringing it as part of the culture at large. Would "The Black Dossier" fit into this?

    -J
    • CommentAuthorjessnevins
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008
     (515.19)
    Austin Powers may have politics, but it's not rebellious against the status quo. He's enforcing the status quo, and while he may be an argument for 1960s-style sexual liberation, there's not a lot else in the films that's political.

    As for Steamboy...arguing for nuclear armament is political, sure, isn't rebellious and is hardly punk. Punk was a cultural and social critique arguing for the empowerment of the dispossessed. It was anti-materialistic, pro-d.i.y., anti-corporate culture, anti-modern capitalism, and a bunch of other things. Where's that in Steamboy--or, for that matter, most modern steampunk? You can find elements of all of those in 1980s steampunk and in The Difference Engine, but what you get now is just dress up without any concern for or even acknowledgement of what punk is.

    There's that Lewis Carroll line from Humpty Dumpty that when he uses a word it means what he wants it to mean. I suppose that's what's happening here.
  12.  (515.20)
    How about 60s innocence/ignorance being updated to modern standards?

    I would see massive race wars, complete mismanagement of the drug problem to involve high education but dogmatic language, timothy leary being executed, communism fears with modern terrorism fears.

    I think that cold war would get hot