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    • CommentAuthorAlexa_D
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2009
     (5162.1)
    (from mod schmevil's LJ)

    For all members of scans_daily: the community has been suspended for posting copyrighted material without the permission of copyright holders, which is against LiveJournal's ToS. Before you ask:

    1) At this time we don't know who made the complaint. But guys, we don't want this to turn into a witch hunt.

    2) No, we don't have backups, but we're looking into recovering our entries.

    3) rabican set up a backup comm on insanejournal some time ago. If you're in dire need of scans, go here for now. ETA: A while ago, sir_razorback set up a message board for the comm here. comics_scans is another scan comm on eljay. Their rules and culture are a bit different from ours. If you join, be sure to read the userinfo before posting.

    4) No, this will not be the end of us. Vive les scans!

    5) ETA: Since people are asking about eljay's stance on fair use, from the TOS:

    LiveJournal and its designates shall have the right, but not the obligation, to remove any content that violates the TOS or is otherwise objectionable, or that infringes or is alleged to infringe intellectual property rights. You agree that you must evaluate, and bear all risks associated with, the use of any content, including any reliance on the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of such content. Furthermore, LiveJournal reserves the right to limit access to your journal, if found in violation of the TOS, including without limitation the Member Conduct described below, by removing the journal and related user information from the member directory, search engine, and all other methods used in conjunction with finding LiveJournal's users.

    and

    [members agree not to] Upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, or other proprietary rights of any party



    And thus, one of the best damned comics marketing tools on the Internet has been destroyed in the name of copyright protection. I cannot count how many series I began reading and trades I picked up because of what was posted there. (Nextwave was certainly one)
    • CommentAuthorchris g
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2009
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    god damn it. That place was the greatest and influenced a lot of my buying decisions.
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      CommentAuthorJay Kay
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2009
     (5162.3)
    And thus, one of the best damned comics marketing tools on the Internet has been destroyed in the name of copyright protection.


    Damn, I can't think of a better way of putting it.
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    Very sad. (According to one news story, I once paid for a year of extra services for them, though I don't recall doing it.) Also sadly inevitable. Not so much because of the scanning, but, I'm sorry to say, because of the moderation.
    • CommentAuthorOxbrow
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2009
     (5162.5)
    I just bought Doctor Doom And The Masters Of Evil 1 and 2 after seeing Doom standing on the Melter in the issue 2 scans yesterday. I'm not at all surprised, but I do think it's a shame. Comics pages being put up just because people like them made up maybe a third of the content, and gleeful enthusiasm is highly infectious.
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      CommentAuthorwarrenellis
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2009 edited
     (5162.6)
    If anyone misses them, of course, they're now at http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily

    The same thing will happen to them there, too, of course.
    • CommentAuthorAlexa_D
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2009
     (5162.7)
    The sad thing is, the mods were working on new rules that they were going to unveil next week, and one of them involved lowering the acceptable number of pages.
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    Shame. Still, looking at it dispassionately, that's something that needed to be stated and enforced a long time ago, as did putting some controls on the few out-and-out mental patients who haunted the community.
    • CommentAuthorENGINE
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2009
     (5162.9)
    Godsdamnit, I was working through my backlog! Hadn't caught up to present day yet.
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    There needs to be something like Hulu meets Scansdaily where the comics industry just moderates the whole thing. That way there’s a financial interest in both self-promotion and keeping out the wackos.
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    There needs to be something like Hulu meets Scansdaily where the comics industry just moderates the whole thing. That way there’s a financial interest in both self-promotion and keeping out the wackos.

    Herding cats.

    Also, let's not let a misconception get loose: creators posting their own work on s_d was generally frowned upon. I took a flaming from a couple who just thought I'd done so, once -- when in fact I was responding to someone else's posting of my work, having been on the comm some 18 months and (apparently, although I don't remember it) having bought the comm a year of paid time.

    So it wasn't a "promotional tool." It couldn't be used. It relied on whether or not people in the comm liked (or rabidly hated) your work.
    • CommentAuthorAlexa_D
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2009
     (5162.12)
    Well, it was a promotional tool in the way word-of-mouth is promotion. So no, it couldn't be used by the publishers-- which is, of course, one of the reasons I liked it. It was democratic; most of the content wasn't the same preview material that the major companies fed to Newsarama and CBR, which meant that smaller titles and smaller press got face time with a large group of readers.
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    Same thing I liked it for, yeah.
  6.  (5162.14)
    Well, I haven't been to scans daily, so I don't really care, but... well, you know, it is essentially stealing. So, in a nutshell, what more needs to be said?

    Exposing people to lesser known material, that's great, but if you're doing it wrong, i.e. stealing, then you should be prepared for the consequences, which in this case, boo hoo, your site got shut down. To foam at the mouth and declare yourselves a martyr is a little immature. Talk about how great the community is, how it exposes people to stuff they usually wouldn't pick up, that's all fine and good, but stealing is stealing is stealing. But people rationalize things the way they want to, in order to justify thier behavior.
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      CommentAuthorvrbtm
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2009
     (5162.15)
    What a bummer. I've bought a lot of comics after seeing them on scans_daily. This takes away from me the opportunity to discover and love new and different comics. That's where we went to learn about new guys (back when Fraction or Wood were "new" [to me]), and share appreciation for the stuff we dig. Then again, the hate laid on Judd Winick, Rob Liefeld, and those damn anal skrulls can go as well.
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      CommentAuthorFinagle
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2009
     (5162.16)
    Ah well. So now instead of looking at partial previews on scans_daily, I'll just go ahead and download the whole things. Way to go, copyright police - you guys sure dodged a bullet there.
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      CommentAuthorfiasco
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2009
     (5162.17)
    While not surprised at all, I am sad. That community was where I found many comics and comic writers I adore, including Mr. Ellis. There goes my last reason for sticking around Livejournal.
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      CommentAuthorFinagle
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2009
     (5162.18)
    Oh yeah, that's a fine point as well, although I refuse to follow all my friends to Facebook. I intend to be the last living American without one.
    • CommentAuthorredex
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2009
     (5162.19)
    Hopefully with tighter moderation in place some sort of similar community can come back from this, but judging "Fair Use" without a court is pretty arbitrary and LJ is most likely to go the road of least difficulty. Although fans may be upset, they'll move on - from all that I've heard, Marvel legal was intending to threaten litigation anyways and that's the last thing LJ would want to deal with (not to bring up the spectre of Strikethru07, but...). The new scans_daily over at IJ probably won't last or gain the same amount of momentum, and moving to a less-discussion-routed host like Blogspot or Wordpress wouldn't work either.

    It just seems to me yet another example of the disconnect between copyright law and the public's conception of copyright. The people at scans_daily thought that they were being considerate for not throwing up the entire books and spoiling every issue before it came out, but traditional media, LJ's TOS, and most copyright legislation says even that is too much.

    noscans_daily, seemingly the heir apparant, with relevant info links here and CBR News Post here.
    • CommentAuthorsilvercat
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2009
     (5162.20)
    Stygmata you'll probably be right after me.

    Goddammit, I liked scans_daily. Well, at least it won't be clogging my friends page anymore. *sigh* Stupid internet.