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    And are playing a few UK festivals this summer...

    unfortunately, one of them is Download, which has the worst lineup out of any festival i've ever seen...
    • CommentAuthorchris g
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2009
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    omg yes thank yooooooou!! I'm gonna f*ckin' pop!
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2009
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    Boooo... no Jim Martin.
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      CommentAuthorizenmania
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2009
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    It's not Faith No More without Jim Martin. Much as I love Mike Patton... it just isn't the same.
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    I think I may squeal like a girl.
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    Yeah, they seem to currently be a European exclusive, though. Not pleased with that choice, I must say...
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      CommentAuthorhowyadoin
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2009
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    Is Jim still busy growing pumpkins?
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2009
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    Yeah, to me The Real Thing and Angel Dust are Faith No More, as well as the Brixton Academy live album, which is one of the best live albums ever. I can't be arsed with the earlier or later stuff, although I would be amused if Courtney Love rejoined.
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    Now i have to buy a day ticket for Download
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    Eh Downloads lineup is always a bit dodgy, but its always the most fun festival, (except last year when they fucked with the layout) and I seem to go every year regardless. Never really got into Faith No More though, I dont think I like Mike Pattons voice, though I do adore Lovage and Mr Bungle. Downloading some best of's now...
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      CommentAuthorrickiep00h
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2009
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    @AtomicSloth - I think Tomahawk is better than Faith No More. Maybe that's just me. Or at least, was better. The last one that Tomahawk put out was a steaming pile.

    As far as the rest of it, I'm with the "No Jim Martin means No Faith No More" camp.
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    Angel Dust was an AWESOME record that really defined Faith No More but pretty much killed it for Mr. Martin, I think. He started the group, even brought in Mike Patton and probably just felt he lost creative control after that. Watch this interview and you can hear the annoyance in the tone of his voice...



    King For a Day was a good record too for me as Trey Spruance was the guitarist. Perhaps a distinctive guitarist was what killed Album of the Year for so many people. The songs were well written but there wasn't much that sticks in your head on it. I wonder what Martin's guitar would have made it sound like?

    But let's harken back to that time. A time when FNM was so bloody unique they could do a cover and not even appear in the video and you think, "Man! That's Faith No More!"



    Oh, by the by? If you haven't heard Mr. Martin's solo record, let sleeping dogs lie. It's just, i don't know, featureless....
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2009
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    I'm very happy to hear they've reformed, but oh so very disappointed to hear their only UK date is as part of a laughably bad festival lineup. I'm not paying £130+ to see them on that kind of bill. Guess I'll just have to console myself with memories of the Patton curated ATP festival I went to last year, instead. I still find FNM in my semi regular musical rotation these days, but I like Fantomas, Tomahawk and Peeping Tom a lot more.
    • CommentAuthoricelandbob
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2009 edited
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    Faith no more! wow "angel dust" was one the main albums i listened to in my formative years. Was really interesting to hear Mike Pattons Vocal style change from a weedy, reedy tone "the Real thing" to the screaming opera of AD. Shame they aren't coming my way as i'd be really interested in seeing them live.
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      CommentAuthorFinagle
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2009 edited
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    Faith No More vs. Run-D.M.C. : Who really brought rap and rock together? Minor argument I got into tonight.

    I had to hold out for Faith No More because I just hate Aerosmith.
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      CommentAuthorhowyadoin
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2009
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    RUN-D.M.C. and the Beasties both predate "Epic" by 3 years, though.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2009 edited
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    'We Care A Lot' was the track which really did it, and was I think around the same time. This was about four or five years before Epic came out.

    The big deal was that it was done by one band, not a novelty collaboration. It was also far more metal than just rock. Run DMC had been using Aerosmith riffs as breaks for a long time before that. The Beastie Boys did the same sort of thing. that was just using found material, though.

    What was really different about We Care A Lot was that it was a guy rapping over a metal/rock band actually playing behind him, as an integrated tune, not using decks and breaks - or just sticking a guitar solo over the top, which was what Run DMC and Aerosmith did. Faith No More didn't just stick two genres together, it actually unified them.

    Ice T's Bodycount was probably the next thing to do this, and then Anthrax/Public Enemy, which admittedly was a collaboration, but they pretty much integrated the bands to do it.

    I remember the effect that We Care A Lot had. To me and my friends, who were 15-16 at the time, it really was mind-blowing. Walk this Way was a cute novelty track. We Care A Lot was really different and there was nothing else like it around, when we first heard it.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2009
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    Okay, wow. I didn't realise how far back this went. Just checked and the above nothwithstanding, We Care A Lot was released on an album in 1985, although the single was a bit later, and the Run DMC version of Walk This Way was 1986.

    I think that clinches it.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2009 edited
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    Although, if you want to be reeeally pedantic about it, Blondie were the first. I think Blondie were actually even the very first band to have a decently charting single with anyone rapping on it.
    • CommentAuthorchris g
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2009
     (5191.20)
    Never thought it would happen in such an instant, I always figured if they got back together, knowing them they would do something new and not called FNM. Still excited tho.
    always thought Patton saw FNM as his day job while he did what he wanted in Bungle. But his contribution really helped FNM grow big time from what they were. Angel Dust is a fucking roller coaster.

    However, I am quite partial to this version of the Crab Song (Crab Song was pre-Patton but he sings it way better)