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he dislikes a large majority of self-described "punks" mostly because of how elitist they can bewhen he was growing up punk was about community and now that punk has gained a larger following that community is no longer possible
So to answer your original question joe: As much as I love and owe punk rock, "punk" is just an adjective to me now, like "jazz" or "folk" or "metal" or "industrial." They are words we can use to describe pieces of culture because everyone has at least a nebulous sense of the style being referred to.