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    Ellis -- Is there a specific reason as to why Tunnel-Rat was used to go up to the stratellites instead of one of the Joe's that's known for doing high-up stuff?


    1) It required a strategist and a demolition expert.

    2) Tunnel Rat reminded me of Larry Hama. Larry Hama's a cool guy.
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    Tunnel Rat was based on Hama.
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    Ellis -- Thanks. That makes sense. Me, having never seen any of the original episodes, was surprised to see someone named Tunnel-Rat floating up into the stratosphere.

    And you're right... Larry Hama's nifty.
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    Tunnel Rat was based on Hama.

    Thought so.

    The idea of Larry Hama twenty miles up and sabotaging a stratellite amused me no end.
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    I always felt back when that Larry Hama was an actual Joe who somehow stumbled into comics.
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      CommentAuthordanifesto
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2009 edited
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    Loved Loved Loved RESOLUTE. Thought it was a perfect end to the G.I. Joe Mythos. I'm sure people are upset about Scarlett choosing Duke over Snake-Eyes, but whatever. Particularly liked the lampshade for Cobra Commander's newfound competence. Also liked the new Dial-Tone.

    Couple of questions, though:

    1. Were there any other Joes you wanted to kill, but Hasbro vetoed?

    2. Were there any Joes you wanted to give more screen time to?

    3. Between this and The Authority, what do you have against Moscow?
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
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    Quite good, despite the wonky physics (H.A.A.R.P. doesn't do that, to my knowledge. And the particle cannon was silly in a James-Bond way. And it's based on a toy-line. Pinter, it ain't. Neither should it be.)
    Nice to see Warren Ellis destroy a small American town and not Moscow for a change. (Although who deserves it better than Moscow? Kidding - the Russians are our "friends". )

    Question to Warren - what was it like playing in the toy company sandbox? Did they send you toys? (Heh ... there's an image. Warren opening the box - "Toys? They sent me fucking toys? I SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR WHISKEY!") Did They Mandate who got screen-time? Because I would've liked to see your take on those two creepy Cobra twin guys whose names escape me. Good job making the Baroness good'n'evil. Also, I never knew Destro was Scottish.

    And when I was a kid, I had the GI Joe Space Capsule. Gave it to my cousin who's now stationed in Afghanistan, I believe. Wonder if he's still got it? (This was thirty-odd years ago. Not, like, last week or anything.)

    And yes, Larry Hama is the King of Cool.
    • CommentAuthorOxbrow
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
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    That was... fairly strange. But rather fun too.
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      CommentAuthorSteve
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
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    those two creepy Cobra twin guys whose names escape me


    Tomax and Xamot.

    I am a really big nerd.
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
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    @Steve - you only qualify as a really big nerd if you can remember how to tell them apart... (I can, as I am a tragic nerd)
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    the tiny scar. duh.
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      CommentAuthorPaul Sizer
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2009 edited
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    So I've got a technical question for Warren:
    When you say you have no idea about the "Honor return..." screen text in the final scene and what it means, is that because someone else inserted that in the script? In capable hands, I'd say it was a nice intentional "mistake"/mis-hearing by the voice recognition system, but if it wasn't you, I'm not sure.

    You had stated that about 90% of your script remained intact in this series (which seems pretty high), so is the "Honor return..." part some of the 10% that got altered? Do you have any say past a certain point, or is it "Thanks, here's your check, fuck off, we'll call you when we need you again"?
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    Totally LOVED Resolute.

    Blood splatter, machine gun sfx (ep6 was good), multi level command center on the FLAGG...beautiful. It was nice to see the group shot of the Joe's during Duke's briefing.

    I know not many are happy by the Duke/Scarlett angle, but I for one was THRILLED! Never read the comics so the cartoon (which I was a rabid fan) was my accepted cannon. As a girl I really have to thank you for writing Scarlett the way she was. Kickass, feisty and tech savvy. Not some insipid damsel in distress.

    I loved how the partnership was written out as well. I'm not sure if it was your intention but to me it came across as; he’s the ‘brawn’ and authority while she’s the ‘brains’ and takes care of the technical details, type partnership. He’s not afraid to ask her input and in fact relies on it making her a valued member of the team.

    So yeah. Thank you again.
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      CommentAuthorJay Kay
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
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    Anyone else get a bit of a Dirk Anger vibe from Cobra Commander in the last episode? I half expected him to send in the drop bears once the particle cannon silo was breached.


    Same, except I was thinking of the atomic puppies.

    Yap yap BANG.
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    When you say you have no idea about the "Honor return..." screen text in the final scene and what it means, is that because someone else inserted that in the script?

    Well, I don't remember writing it, I'll put it that way.
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      CommentAuthorAlan Tyson
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2009
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    I just interpreted it to mean "site is back in the good guys' hands." Thought it sounded sorta cool, actually.
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      CommentAuthorLBA
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2009
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    I thought, like Paul, that "honor return" was just a voice recognition system misinterpretation of "on our return"
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      CommentAuthorFinagle
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2009
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    Personally I enjoy the theory that Mr. Ellis wrote the line in a drunken blur blaze of inspiration and fired it off at the last minute, and the studio execs puzzled over it for a bit and said to themselves, "Um...well, I don't *get* it, but this is Warren Ellis, so it must be right, plus I don't dare have the editor call him up again, after what he implied they could do to themselves the last time we're looking at a harassment suit..."
    • CommentAuthorbuzzorhowl
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2009
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    It's interesting to read this thread as someone who grew up on the Larry Hama-penned GI Joe series published by Marvel in the 80s and see all of the lack of knowledge and/or misinformation that you guys picked up from watching the cartoon back in those days. I was 7 when the cartoon started coming on, and 8 or 9 when I started reading the comics. I started picking up the comics around issue #24 (Russ Heath art!), and eventually went back and bought all of the back issues, so that at one point, when I was around 12 or 13, I had the entire run up to the current issue (this would have been around issue 75 or so).

    This is the thing--the cartoon was stupid. The Marvel comic was great. I just recently purchased the first IDW trade collecting the original Marvel issues, which had issues #1-10, and while there were some 80s era comics cliches that came through in the stories that I wouldn't have noticed during my childhood (esp. over-expository dialogue/thought balloons), it's still really well-written. There's a lot of character development and interesting storylines, and I really liked that Warren's version of GI Joe acknowledged a lot of that worldbuilding originally done by Larry Hama in the comic. One significant difference I noticed was Storm-Shadow's overtly evil/anti-Snake Eyes attitude in "Resolute," which differs from what happened in the comic, since Storm-Shadow was really just using Cobra as a means to an end in the comic, and quit the organization by issue 40 or thereabouts.

    Oh, and that reminds me, looneynerd, Cobra Commander's son actually didn't die--he turned up in the mid-30s of the comic book, hanging out with Storm-Shadow and working on some sort of revenge action against Cobra. There was a bunch of further conflict between he and Cobra Commander even later in the comic series, after some other high-level Cobra people (Serpentor being the main one, if memory serves) ousted him from command.

    But anyway, I thought Resolute was awesome, very true to the spirit of the comics, and I'd love to see Warren do more work on GI Joe, although I can't imagine it'll happen, unfortunately.
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    "One significant difference I noticed was Storm-Shadow's overtly evil/anti-Snake Eyes attitude in "Resolute," which differs from what happened in the comic, since Storm-Shadow was really just using Cobra as a means to an end in the comic, and quit the organization by issue 40 or thereabouts."

    I'll be honest with you - when I did the research, I thought Storm Shadow was a dick. Hence his RESOLUTE incarnation.