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    @Eoullis: Riiiiiiiiight.

    And, sorry, the way a person interprets imagery of any medium, if it's recognizably depicting human figures in clear-cut behaviors (and Paul does do an amazing job at it, doesn't he?), can tell quite a lot about how that person thinks. Like, say, you defending a person who's being depicted as clearly engaging in sexual activity with someone whose consent isn't given? You know, what is typically referred to as "rape"? That's a good indicator you've got problems.

    Again, I already allowed that I could be wrong about what Ellis and Duffield are going for here. But I doubt it.

    Thanks for the lulz though.
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    Eoiullis/jettisoned
    • CommentAuthorVermilious
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2009
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    First off. Warren, that was an excellent issue. My father has a had an odd obsession with Dizzee Rascal (it's rather disturbing), and page three immediately got forwarded to him, with a bit of context, so he could enjoy it.
    The world has definitely stabilized a bit since we started, yeah. But that raises the question (and I'm sure it's come up in the past 57 issues, but I can't check all of them) Who sews things? Who has the time to go and put the freakangels logo on all of the official clothing that the angels and Alice wear? I would think that the freakangels design is tricky enough that hand-sewing it into things would be far more effort than it's worth, especially considering that people need multiples of clothing in not multiples of time.
    • CommentAuthorE0157H7
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2009
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    @CamyLuna - I get the feeling that the crash pretty much wrecked the ability to communicate with anybody that is either out of short-wave or walking range, depending on how resourceful you are. Since it's more or less all from the perspective of Whitechapel residents, they probably have absolutely no real idea of what's going on in the post-crash world outside of a hundred-odd miles in any direction. We probably won't know what's going on in, say, the US unless some bedraggled American washes up on the shores of Whitechapel. That seem unlikely, but maybe we'll get a refugee from somewhere closer like France eventually.

    @Vermilious - That's been asked before, and the answer is a stencil and a sprayer filled with dye.
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    @warrenellis: sorry for my involvement in that. Thanks for not making me accompany him on the way out. I tend to bring out the angry asshole in people.
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    @Vermillious - I think it was addressed a couple of episode-threads ago. Something along the lines of everyone wearing pre-flood clothes, a can of spray paint used in conjunction with an FA template. Then, if I remember correctly, Warren lost faith in humanity, as apparently things of such complexity are impossible in a post-flood world.
    • CommentAuthorMarySue
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2009 edited
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    Alice has always been my favorite. YAY ALICE!

    Because sure, if canned beans have totally survived, there's no way a can of spraypaint would. Am I opening old wounds? I'll be a good newbie and shut up now.
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    Just adding to it here... BOOYAH!! Right on, Alice! She is the one who thinks a few moves ahead, so I can't say I'm too worried about her personal safety. No, Luke likes fucking, but now he is fucked himself, I think. Maybe the most pivotal moment FA has shown so far?
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2009
     (6104.9)
    Re :clothing in Whitechapel. - Surely, anyone with sewing skills earns their keep. We've seen people eat bread and yet we've never seen the FreakAngels MAKING BREAD - where did the bread come from? Someone fucking made it, obviously. With the new hundred refugees comes new skills - "I used to repair things before the crash." "I used to be a baker." "I used to like to sew." "I used to be Bansky. I can spray stuff on clothes, if you like." (Uh, plus everyone who was in Whitechapel under FreakAngels protection BEFORE the new people came in.)

    @ Warren - Do people read the Rules anymore? They should.
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      CommentAuthorrev'd '76
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2009 edited
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    Here comes Luke's little lobotocoma... and after he's been given so many chances, too. Terrible thing, when someone close is determined to be an atavistic prick despite your best efforts to the contrary. Especially terrible when it's family. Bet the rest of the FA will feel like total disasters for what has to be done now.

    Or pr'aps they needn't. They could just gather, pass the tea wine and watch Alice finish doing the trashcan dance on him. While Arkady narrates her previous effort to rehabilitate the scum and experiences, ah, drinky digressions.

    Could be quite a touching scene, actually.
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2009
     (6104.11)
    I'm starting to wonder if the Freaks really did do in the whole world, or whether it's just the UK and they *think* it's the whole world.

    Maybe it's cause I watched RahXephon again recently...
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    morning whitechapel? how was my week? well, I took a piece of good advice and sought PROFESSIONAL MENTAL HELP (albeit from myself, with mixed results, as usual) on the plus side, I'm no longer angry. :)

    as for this week's installment and the subsequent discussion:
    yeah... this is going to be bad. luke's a slimy, immoral prick and he's walked right into whatever's coming for him. in this close-quarter's situation, though, I must confess, I'm a bit worried. if he can gather his composure quickly enough, someone might get hurt. sure, alice is scrappier than him by far, but I don't know about caz. she seems more practical/technical than Freakangels Mind-strong. Luke's obviously got more (on-panel at least) experience mucking about in people's minds. regardless of how this situation plays out (and I am hoping for a little damage to our heroic duo here), luke will be destroyed.

    @EncephaloRay while we may not have seen a Freak-on-Freak rumble yet, we have seen Luke gets his ass kicked. (also, looking forward to seeing your photos of that station.)

    @Val A Lindsay II
    Maybe the most pivotal moment FA has shown so far?
    ditto.

    my two-cents on just punishment for rape: rapists should have their junk rendered inoperable in the most painful and irreversible way possible and should subsequently be raped by all manner of men and beast until death. vote for me!
    • CommentAuthorWinther
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2009
     (6104.13)
    See, there's a certain class of people (well... the word class seems more than a little ironic in this instance) who just don't survive here in Whitechapel. Which is why it is awesome.

    One of the things I continually enjoy about the leisurely pacing of Freakangels is that there's time to ponder all the little stuff like these games that would seem to naturally crop up in this kind of situation. Dedicating what comes up to a total of two pages to the discussion of the in-out game (points for the horribly fitting title, by the way, which I'm assuming is no coincidence) isn't something you'd see a lot of in a monthly 22 page comic, unless it was somehow going to be integral to the plot. Here, it can just exist, pretty much on its own, for no other reason than that it seems like something people would do in those circumstances.

    Also, I always feel terrible when I do one of these comments without mentioning the art, which is only because Paul produces this brilliance on such a regular basis that it's almost just expected. The last panel actually illustrates the discussion about SFX that's happening in the Christos Gage thread. I can't imagine a SMACK or SKRASH doing anything for that panel except obscuring some of the gorgeous art. The motion and impact are already felt very effectively as is.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2009 edited
     (6104.14)
    'Whats the sense of having an awesome power if you can't have fun with the insects'


    a position of power beholdens one to not abuse it. That means not getting up to things like mind manipulation and rape. Might is not right ffs.


    While he obviously needs a timeout to learn some manners, that first sentence there is a pretty good assessment of Luke's state of mind, I'd say.

    It's also interesting to me that Luke's "position" in the Freakangels is that of "pariah/bastard." Thinking it over, I believe that this is a necessary position. Luke's benefit to the group is that he provides a "counter-example" for the rest of the 'angels. Without him, they might begin to slowly slip into the same behaviors he displays but do so as a group, making it much harder for them to notice (or reverse) their slide into evil.

    sorry for my involvement in that. Thanks for not making me accompany him on the way out. I tend to bring out the angry asshole in people


    While you might've been a little more diplomatic in your own statement, you can't very well bring out something in someone if it wasn't already there to begin with, yes?
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      CommentAuthorthom_wong
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2009
     (6104.15)
    Great comic and made even better by WE showing up to say "Eoiullis/jettisoned."
  7.  (6104.16)
    'It's also interesting to me that Luke's "position" in the Freakangels is that of "pariah/bastard." Thinking it over, I believe that this is a necessary position. Luke's benefit to the group is that he provides a "counter-example" for the rest of the 'angels. Without him, they might begin to slowly slip into the same behaviors he displays but do so as a group, making it much harder for them to notice (or reverse) their slide into evil.'


    There's something in that I think. Doctor Freak Angel (can't remember her name at the minute) provides the strongest moral compass IMHO.

    Karl has the potential to be a similar Voice of Reason, but he's isolated himself.
    • CommentAuthorOwen
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2009
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    I think it's a sign of great writing, like the last issue of Crossed in a way, you get lulled into a quiet period where that world seems ok - interesting rebuilding and improvement projects - then you get rape or whatever viciousness Ennis has cooked up next. The contrast between jokey first few pages and the nasty at the end made for a really strong episode. I smell a shitstorm brewing.
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    I can't imagine a SMACK or SKRASH doing anything for that panel except obscuring some of the gorgeous art. The motion and impact are already felt very effectively as is.
    Truth. I think I spent a good five minutes just appreciating the intricate work done on the shadows over the brick wall surface in that final panel.

    @Paul, how long did that take? All that detail work is just mind-blowing. ETA: every single week.
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      CommentAuthorLBA
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2009
     (6104.19)
    I hope this turns out badly for Luke and I'm going to assume Caz has sent out a message to the rest of the group to come and take care of Luke. I think that Caz letting Alice get in a face shot was more of a personal "You deserve some physical pain you fucking asshole before I bring everyone else in to take care of you" thing than needing Alice to do anything.

    some people are just no good assholes and there's nothing you can do to change them.
  9.  (6104.20)
    Well, let us hope Caz has sent out call to the others, 'cause there has been previous discussion about Luke's mental capabilities. I believe it was the "FA goes hunting" area of the story, when Jack an Sirkka were cornering Luke and he mentioned how Jack knew Luke could do nasty things to his brain before he pulled the trigger. That's only one example of what Warren's set up about Luke's capabilities. I have a feeling that he is the one FA, besides Arkady, that may have played around with his powers enough to be very good at using them.

    On the other hand, in a physical brawl, Caz alone could probably take him, and then there's Alice. Go Alice!

    The Art in this episode has me frustrated, because it's too nice (esp. in page 6)! It's art that I'd love to display in some way, but the subject matter is not. lol.
    I love the face shot of Luke (page 6/panel 2), I think it's my favorite image of him so far. And I find myself looking closer at things like the shadow of Alice's hair against the brick in the last panel. Thank you Paul.

    As for the world outside of their area, there may be some place that's better, but I don't think there's a place that was unaffected... unless Warren is going to pull out some great explaination. If places like.. say America, where fine, wouldn't there have been some investigation, or some contact? They already mentioned there being no radio signals anywhere. So, unless things are going to get even wierder, with something keeping the unaffected people at bay, I doubt any place got off without some sort of crashiness. Though I can certainly imagine places being much worse, or even better.

    Thank you gents, thank you Ariana!