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      CommentAuthorMagnulus
    • CommentTimeJun 16th 2009
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    Again: To do that, he wouldn't have to completely obliterate her mind. Look at her!
    Honestly, it's like saying "Oh, she was begging for it!"
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    And consider that he may be doing all this while her leg is still injured, and she technically needs the crutch.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeJun 16th 2009
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    @ Paul Duffield

    You know that was one thing that's been bugging me - where's her crutch? I kept looking for it but never saw it drawn in.
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    You know that was one thing that's been bugging me - where's her crutch? I kept looking for it but never saw it drawn in.

    On the ground.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2009 edited
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    Just to ensure our prompt delivery of FREAKANGELS this week ...
    This One Is For Ariana.

    Warren, your truck is in the mail.
    Paul, I'm having yours flown in.
    Does Big Bill Christensen drink Red Bull? This is starting to run into money ...

    EDIT TO ADD - THIS TRUCK IS FOR ARIANA.
    • CommentAuthorDee_Noir
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2009
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    Looking at the expression on that poor girl's face, it's obvious: she's completely in cuckcoo land. I doubt she even knows where she is, or what's going on. The way in which her mouth is hanging open suggests a kind of unconciousness. Given that Paul is so meticulous with the way in which he draws things, and that I'm sure he would have paid particular attention to the expression on her face in this dramatic moment, I think it's pretty hard to ignore the signs that Luke is having her without consent. She's seems to me to be be in the mental state of a coma victim, or someone who is asleep. Either that, or worse, conscious but mentally taken over like a puppet.

    Either way, it doesn't take a genius to see that Luke is being a particularly bad boy today. And I don't see why he needs to resort to mind-rape anyway. He's a handsome looking guy. I wish I was half as good looking as him (apart from the split lip) :P
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      CommentAuthorMagnulus
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2009
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    I dunno, Dee... I wouldn't normally go for a guy with a bin lid in his face... Granted, I don't normally go for guys PERIOD, but I'm liable to! He resorted to mind-rape after his previous relationship went tits-up. When he started mind-bending his ex, he said something along the lines of "Why didn't I do this before?!" and I think that's where he got the "idea", though he was already a dickhead of immense proportions.
    • CommentAuthorCorvus
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2009
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    Yeah, that's an in-out game, all right.*

    That would have been the perfect place for a Captain America "WANK!" sound effect. I now officially loves me some Alice.

    * That page made me twelve, and it was wonderful. No apologies.
    • CommentAuthorBellaInara
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2009
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    All I have to say is....if we end up with a skip week then I might have to do something crazy, like abandon the interwebs. I mean it guys, don't think that I won't.
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      CommentAuthorzoem
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2009
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    Actually was so busy I forgot Freakangels last Friday. Wow. I shouldn't be so easily stunned - the filp from silly-but-grim conversation to skin-crawly rape scene still startled.

    Looking forward to the couple of episodes I'll have when I get back from my trip. Maybe I will start waiting for the trades...
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      CommentAuthorLBA
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2009
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    just being a devil's advocate because sometimes things are not always as they seem.

    are we sure it's Luke that is controlling her? Is it possible that another Freakangel is trying to frame him? Maybe Mark is still alive and looking for an ally?

    just total and complete speculation on my part
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2009
     (6104.172)
    @ warrenellis

    Makes sense. It was just wierd that after its introduction we never see the crutch again. However, looking at subsequent pictures of the girl and Luke, the angles are such that we wouldn't be able to see it anyway.

    @ LBA and other "rape-skeptics"

    As to LBA's theory, why can't Luke sense the massive level of control suddenly being placed on the girl he's having sex with? Caz clearly sensed it once she saw her. Heck, even Alice was able to deduce what was happening upon viewing the girl's demeanor. It would take a massive effort involving surveillance, split-second timing of the control and the ability to screen out other Freakangels. Plus the ability to do all of this all at the same time. It seems unlikely, to say the least.

    As for the "the girl was into it" arguments, what's the payoff? Warren's the storyteller, remember, so what's the payoff in that particular story? Presumably the idea is that while Alice is beating the shit out of Luke, Caz awakens the girl who protests Alice beating up her "new boyfriend." So, Alice and Caz are embarrassed, while Luke and the new "new girl" are pissed at Alice. Or worse, Alice actually kills Luke and then we learn that she's killed an "innocent" Freakangel. So, Alice feels bad, but the others, helped by Caz, come to the conclusion that it was basically an accident due to circumstances and life moves on.

    The first track sounds like something from some asshat sitcom. The second from some asshat Lifetime movie. Hell, the second one is even worse because it involves the death of a Freakangel. Such a thing should be momentous and moving, not fodder for some cheap tension.

    Aside from all that, both tracks violate what was set up to be a theme in the book at the end of the last volume - that of "growing all the way up." Part of growing all the way up is holding people accountable for their actions. Even when those people are family.
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      CommentAuthorAlastair
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2009
     (6104.173)
    of course there are about 10'000 other possibilities than just those 2
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2009 edited
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    of course there are about 10'000 other possibilities than just those 2


    There are indeed. But aside from the pretty obvious context that Luke is, in fact, mind-raping the girl, I can't think of any other possibilities that make sense. Or at least pass the "Well, Jesus, that's just stupid." test. You know, where you read something, turn it over in your mind and finally say "Well, Jesus, that's just stupid." I've had many reactions to Warren's work. Joy, Anger, Sadness, Excitement. But I've never read something of his and thought it was stupid. And I don't expect to now.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2009
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    I think we're all going to be surprised at what happens.

    And I can't believe anyone DIDN'T think that was rape.

    Why didn't Caz do anything? That question is still bugging me.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2009
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    Just re-read it. Caz makes a face as she sees what he's up to. Alice makes a face too but whereas Caz's is kind of "oh, dear", Alice's expression is PURE HATRED.

    Caz says "Alice ..."
    Alice says "I can fookin' see ..."
    Luke says (and this is the important bit) "I realize, Caz, you may have forgotten what this is but I'd like my privacy back now."

    And then bin-lid.

    Caz was going to say something else. WHY DIDN'T SHE DO ANYTHING?!

    *whew* Well, we'll find out tomorrow.
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    If it doesn't turn out to be Luke using the Push on her as a mid/body rape I'll eat my trilby, sans condiments.
    • CommentAuthorJonathan
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2009
     (6104.178)
    Caz didn't do anything because Luke was prepared to fight her. He addressed her directly, and let her know he was spoiling for a brain-fight, but he was too arrogant to realize that Alice posed a threat. Caz and Alice, either consciously or instinctively, immediately recognized this -- Caz was going to tell Alice to act, but Alice was already in action.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2009
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    Caz didn't do anything because Luke was prepared to fight her. He addressed her directly, and let her know he was spoiling for a brain-fight, but he was too arrogant to realize that Alice posed a threat. Caz and Alice, either consciously or instinctively, immediately recognized this -- Caz was going to tell Alice to act, but Alice was already in action.


    I have to disagree with much of that. I think Caz sensed Alice's anger and was warning her to stay back since Luke would have no problem hurting or killing her. Caz wanted Alice to stay back out of the way so Caz would be able to protect her from Luke. However, it's quite likely that Alice isn't the one who needs protection...
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2009 edited
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    @ Jonathan - Quite very much possible.

    So. KK shags boys from Lambeth Road. Jack loves Sirkka who shags anything. Connor has a crush on Alice. (You KNOW he does!) Luke is a rapist. Kirk is celibate BY CHOICE. (Or Karl. I always get them mixed up. The one up the tower. The one growing strawberries probably doesn't have a girlfriend, either. But he could get one, if he wanted.) Kait is probably also celibate, as her one-woman war-on-crime leaves no time for a boyfriend. Or girlfriend. Or whatever. It's a distraction. (You wanna fuck? Are you Quincy? Then Fuck OFF.) Miki, I'm sure, would love nothing more than to curl up with a good book and a nice boy but there's work to do, so no dice. Arkady's got better things on her mind than sex. (Like teleporting! And Chikkenz!)

    And Luke is a rapist.

    Why doesn't Caz remember what sex is?

    You all realize : this is Warren Ellis we're talking about. We could all be monumentally disappointed with Caz by this time tomorrow. What if he's got something on Caz? (Luke, I mean. Not Warren.) Maybe she looks the other way at his ... indiscretions. (Again, Luke's indiscretions. Not Warren's.) Maybe she'll cover it up for him. (Luke, not Warren.) In return for him honoring their "deal."

    Then again, maybe not. Can't wait for tomorrow.

    EDIT to fix one typo and to fix syntax.