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CommentAuthormister hex
- CommentTimeJun 20th 2009
FOR THE LAST TIME - I did not want to start a debate on capital punishment. For Rape. For anything.
We all agree : Luke's a cunt and he'll get what he deserves,
Slammed doors and hurt feelings. Over a hypothetical situation. No point to it, is there?
I TOLD you Warren loved us. Although, sometimes I don't know why. -
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If you noticed, people weren't addressing you or your arguments specifically.
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> We all agree : Luke's a cunt and he'll get what he deserves,
I don't agree. Maybe he won't. And, you know, maybe people don't deserve to die; maybe it's just a matter of trying to do the right thing and it has nothing to do with deserving at all. Maybe you just try to make the choices that don't bugger it all up.
I think the right choice is to kill Luke; not because Luke deserves to die, but because--beyond the possibility of stripping him of his powers--it's the only sensible, feasible solution to the problem.
I don't see why the emphasis should be on the perpetrator anyway; this isn't about punishing the bad guys, this is about protecting everyone else. Can you see how someone other than the victim saying 'kill the rapist' is more about satisfying a sense of moral superiority and not about actually addressing the victim? -
"beyond the possibility of stripping him of his powers"
Not the Avatar solution! nooo! -
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CommentAuthorindysleaze
- CommentTimeJun 21st 2009
@trini_naenae
of course rape is less than murder - if even one person has survived rape intact (and I'm sure that many have used their horrible experience to emnpower them in some way in the future), nobody ever survived murder. -
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@indysleaze, I'd argue that it's not obvious that rape is less than murder. I'd actually argue the opposite. Of course, I've never been murdered, not to mention that this is besides the point, and I can't imagine it being easy, but there are questions that need to be considered when judging when something is "worse" than something else.
Which point of view is being taken? The victim's? The family/friends of the victim?
What is being used as a measurement? Pain? What type of pain?
Since no one who has been murdered is going to come forward and explain the pain to us, it's not a fair comparison to make. We can't fairly and accurately compare the differences with all the circumstances and different points of view. -
@Quixotess, I've jsut read your comments and I'm still clapping my hands, I hope I can read more of your thoughts in the future.
@ * RobAGD: re: your fist comm towards me. I would never compare criminal acts to child behaviour; on the contrary, I was just answering to a friend here who had just done so. But nevermind.
Anyway, this thread has been worth reading: we are from so many countries, sharing our point of views on such subjects is somehow rewarding. Thanks to Freakangels. And where are the cunts who pretend comics are not food for thought? -
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CommentAuthorwarrenellis
- CommentTimeJun 21st 2009
FOR THE LAST TIME - I did not want to start a debate on capital punishment. For Rape. For anything.
Should've kept your fucking mouth shut then, shouldn't you? -
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I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.Someone ban Warren Ellis for being an arsehole. Hah! Just kidding my Lord and Master of Arse Eels.
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A Question has just formed for me. How does one punish/ incarcerate a Freakangel anyway? Most of them seem capable of escaping from the equivalent of a regular prison.
Something short of a mind wipe/lobotomy or some sort of power nullifier seems the only feasible way of doing it at present.
Lord Ellis will make it work. -
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CommentAuthormister hex
- CommentTimeJun 21st 2009
Should've kept your fucking mouth shut then, shouldn't you?
Yes, sir. -
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I wonder if the 10 of them together can push into his mind and... change things. I mean, that always works out very well in the comic book world when it occurs. That or alter his DNA and remove the bastardism gene.
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Quixotess: It's okay. And the offer stands if you change your mind.
You know something?... I really don't want to take what you said into context...
Gekko: And where are the cunts who pretend comics are not food for thought?
See that firing squad? Line them up on the wall...
Darkest: They have their ways. Oh yes, do they have their ways.
DeVorn: I think the right choice is to kill Luke; not because Luke deserves to die, but because--beyond the possibility of stripping him of his powers--it's the only sensible, feasible solution to the problem.
And if Luke dies, does electricity pour out of his orifaces and hit things and transfer to the remaining Freakangels, and then they absorb his memories and gain a little more power?
Gilgurth: I think Arkady could do it, herself. But, she's not the type that'd do such things, right? Which sort of makes it make sense that she'd be able to do it, by herself.
mister hex:
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wow...this was a nice episode. :) I'm glad he got caught being a skeeve.
It's been a pretty decent week for me...the kids went off to their mom's for the weekend. It's been just me and my hubs and critters...plus two tiny stray kittens we've taken in to find homes for. It's been a good few days. -
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CommentAuthorDotcommunist
- CommentTimeJun 21st 2009
'What a pity Bilbo didn't stab him when he had the chance'
'Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. There are many that live who deserve death, and many dead who deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo Baggins? Do not be so quick to deal in death and judgments. Even the very wise cannot see all ends'
Gandalf speaks true. Capital punishment is deeply wrong. -
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CommentAuthordorkmuffin
- CommentTimeJun 21st 2009
@ Dotcommunist.
Hear hear. Expressing your own opinion using a Lord of the Rings reference, WIN. -
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Also - has anyone else brought up the curious fact that both of the 'bad' Freakangels are the only ones with Biblical names?
You know, Kirk is a Scottish term for "church..."
I've been on a weekend trip and apparently things have noticeably progressed, so, addressing a few points in the posts:
I'm going to try to sidestep the Capital Punishment/rape thing except to agree with Darkest about what the fuck do they do with Luke if they can't kill him or banish him? Presumably if there'd been some "depowering" option, they'd've used it on Mark. Similarly lobotomizing Luke is really just another form of murder. And yet, they have a person in their community who refuses to abide by the laws of their society. What to do...
On the subject of what the Freakangel package does - it does whatever Warren wants it to do (limited by whatever Paul is willing to draw). And no, I'm not being a smartass about it. He's the writer, so it does what he wants it to do. Any attempts to explain, enumerate or define the "package" will only limit it. I'd prefer those limits to be explored within the story instead of having them "front-loaded" in such a way as to limit potential story space. -
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CommentAuthormister hex
- CommentTimeJun 21st 2009 edited
Been reading the early episodes again. (By the way, Warren and Paul, both of you, this really stands up well to repeated readings. The amount of detail in the artwork is phenomenal and the dialogue teases out bits of information. Like a drug, this book is.)
Arkady tells Luke -
"Yesterday I knew exactly when you'd die. Today I don't. You were going to control and assault Janine and Sirkka was going to pick up on it. There was going to be a big group trial, and you were going to lose your temper, and everyone was going to get together and kill you."
Luke says (still slightly fucked up from the whammy 'Kady laid on him) "No."
Arkady says (and this is the good bit)
"Yes. As of right now, I don't know when you're going to die. You understand why, don't you?'
A beat and then she says
"Never do anything like this again. I'll know."
(It's established early that Arkady is a precog, as well. And that Luke has strong powers, too. And that Sirkka always kind of monitors everyone.)
That said, we haven't seen much of Connor at all. And he was the first FreakAngel we met. (Also - Kirk HATES fucking Luke and will kill Luke himself with his bare fucking hands, probably. HATES him. HATES.)
EDIT TO ADD - Thanks for the tombstone! Every good gunfighter should have one. -
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That said, we haven't seen much of Connor at all. And he was the first FreakAngel we met.
Actually, that was KK, though Conner was the second.
That said, I'm looking forward to Conner's reaction to all this. From what we saw of him, he seemed to treat Alice as a cross between a new pet and a girlfriend. I think he likes Alice and cares for Alice but I think he doesn't really respect her as an equal, even an "honorary" equal. It would not surprise me at all if Alice's champion in terms of being involved as a true equal with the other 'angels is Kirk instead of Conner.