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      CommentAuthorrickiep00h
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    @diello - By my count, there is a 50/50 split in total Freakangels: six male and six female. Considering one of the guys is banished, Kirk and Karl are rather hermit-like, and Jack is often out collecting, I'm not surprised we don't see the guys all that much. That really leaves Luke and Connor as the guys you're likely to see out-and-about. Whereas most of the women are out doing and building. I'm fine with that.

    Everyone gets their time to shine in Whitechapel. Right now its the ladies (and one tremendous asshole).
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    I am rather worried about the rape victim in this scene.

    These 6 pages = about 25 seconds of realtime? We're not there yet.
    • CommentAuthorDarkest
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    Seems to me they either telekinetically crushed him or reversed the gravity on him. Akira style.

    As towards "leniency" we can see two things first Mark was kicked out of WhiteChapel for trying to mind control an army of people so they will take a dim view of that. The other is that we have seen that the FreakAngels do something akin to voting. This could be the first time that we see anything close to a unanimous decision. That is unless the social situation is even more complex than we have seen or that there are social mechanics we haven't seen.
    • CommentAuthorQuixotess
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    @Ellis:

    Thank you, that does make me feel better. *relaxes*
    • CommentAuthorSaiFai
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009 edited
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    Huh, 25 seconds, that's a pretty fast fight. Man I hope Luke isn't executed. The FA are weakened enough by the loss of the one member.
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    Thats a bit like saying Godzilla is weakened by getting the Tokyo tower dropped on him. The only threat to the Freakangels are Freakangels.
    Luke has already stated that noone, except Arkady could take him down one on one, and was pointed out to be pretty much in a position to see everyone else as bugs by Kait, some issues ago, please forgive me if I'm paraphrasing, but I think that included the other members of the FA. I'd be suprised if he's down for the count yet. Good villians don't go down as easy as that.
    • CommentAuthorcjtremlett
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    Alice got the victim out of physical danger. I'm sure more than one person will be helping the victim once Luke has been dealt with (or incapacitated in order to be ultimately dealt with later). Sirkka and Miki most prominently, I expect. And Alice. She's sort of a bridge between the FAs and the norms, I think. She knows about the FAs and is willing to stand up to them, even knowing what they can do. But she is still normal. It will be interesting to see her reaction when (if?) she finds out that the FAs are responsible for the Crash.

    We haven't seen very much of the other normals, really. Sirkka and Caz seem to be the only ones who have been working with groups of non-FAs on a regular basis. Probably says something about them, and how they each see their relationship with the rest of the world.
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      CommentAuthordiello
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    @saifai
    Seriously?
    The FAs seem to pretty well keep to their own (and each others') minds, and not so much the outsiders' (excpet Alice), and as long as they don't mind, I don't think it's considered mind-rape. And they can't seem to really control who goes into whose mind with each other (I don't think KK intended to let Karl- or was it Kirk?- know that she'd slept with a Lambeth boy, and he wears the tinfoil hat to keep all the jibber-jabber in his head down). I think their telekinesis is more like, they're all in one big room or something, they all know they're around, and can see everything they're doing, and if they want a direct line, it's as simple as flipping open your mobile.

    Why doesn't Luke just hold down the women with the force and get the "business" on,
    Because that struggle would cause quite a commotion, wouldn't it?
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    Ah, it's raining outside. Makes everything smell like dirt and green, growing things. It's killing my busking, but what the Hell. I'm enjoying this weather..

    Woohoo! Awesome episode. I think Luke is under the impression that the rest of the Freakangels are lilly-livered, unwilling to actually kill one of their own as demonstrated by the leniency towards his past actions and towards Mark who may had done worse. i'd say we'll find out soon enough. Arkady may just leave him in a coma, unable to think of nothing else but escape from something inside his brain.
    • CommentAuthorinizitu
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    Dear Paul and Warren:

    *SMOOOOOCH*

    Love, me


    @Quixotess
    Yes. Lots of what you said. I was rather scared, too. I think it's important to deal with rape in fiction (not sure who I'm stealing this from but: fairy tales are important because they tell us dragons can be slain) but it's damn difficult to do without being a schmuck to real-life victims.

    I think Ellis will come through. He handles female characters, overall, with respect and honesty, in my opinion, an ability I think is still pretty rare in comics, or any sort of action heavy-fiction.
    I believe he writes some of the best women in fiction, period (Alice and Channon from Transmet are the two that immediately come to mind for me).

    So, yes. Trust in Warren.

    Although, I have to say, this issue feels like a teaser to me. Last week was such a...well, bin lid to the psyche, so much happened (and they stuffed it all into about 2 pages. Aaaand of into uberdork: Comic writers just amaze me, sometimes. I swear, comics, done right, are the most powerful and effective narrative medium that exists. Words, pictures, and no budget constraints. Infinitely versatile. Stopping now.) that this week is almost like we get to take a mental breath before next week- where I expect we'll get the bin lid again.

    *happysigh*

    Friday is the best day of the week.
    • CommentAuthorGilgurth
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    Is it just me, or do they seem more concerned about him basicly 'pushing' her mind than what he's doing with her body? I'm not saying they're oblivious to it, but the mind control seems to be their focus.

    I have a feeling in a/this post 'freakpocalypse' world, they've all seen much worse done, willingly and unwillingly by people to survive, or just for kicks. While not minimized, I doubt rape is out of the ordinary, if not expected in the life of the 'have nots'. That being said, let's hope someone hurls him by the sack into the Thames, with their TK...
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    So, yes. Trust in Warren.


    I told you he loves us. Despite his better judgement.
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      CommentAuthorBerserker
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    @Ebony14 - I'd just been playing with that idea about the tin foil hat being a ruse.

    The question of how to handle Luke is going to be touchy indeed, regardless of the feelings of any given 'angel.

    Look at it logistically:

    If they let him go and he joins forces with Mark out there? They've got twice the potential trouble waiting to come back for revenge. Even if they don't team up, they've got yet another super-menace out there, obviously capable of marshalling/controlling whoever else is out there and using them en masse against Whitechapel.
    They don't even have to cooperate, per se. As soon as one rogue strikes the other can take advantage of that to split the remaining 'angels numbers between fronts. Classic tactic.

    They have a hard decision coming up.
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      CommentAuthorBerserker
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    Also - has anyone else brought up the curious fact that both of the 'bad' Freakangels are the only ones with Biblical names?
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    @Dotcommunist yeah, he was shown to have that streak and seems to be the one who planted the idea for the FA strike back big time, but was he a rapist even then? Did he have any awareness of consequence? Was he trying this shit even back then and maybe one of the causes of them being hunted?

    Or in the brave new world has he just gone 'fuck it I'll do what I want'? Seeing as how he doesn't seem capable of remembering to put pants on without a keeper I wonder how back before the cataclysm the others regarded him. They've said he was the smartest but haven't qualified that with 'for a total skeevy rapist fuck up who almost got us killed in the first place' I wonder if he was broken or just born bad.



    I don't think anyone is BORN bad. Luke, in the flashback scene, was certainly well on the road to being what he is now. I think he may have envisioned some great 'natural order' where he and his fellow freak angels lorded it over the cattle. The apocalypse caused bought those ideas crashing down for him and he has had to deal with the idea that violet-eyed superpower does not make one a Master Race. Of course he is enough of a narcissistic parasite to project the failure of the glorious event onto the other freak angels. Typical 'i wuz betrayed!' behaviour from someone who has seen a grand scheme go awry.
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    Suffering from a terrible cold over here so this makes little sense, blame the drugs.

    One thing I've been curious about is, what happens when a Freakangel dies? They're all connected to each other in some way and all the Luke trouble's got me thinking about that. They dodged that bullet with Mark but if Luke keeps at it...It can't be as simple as one Freakangel expiring with no "mental feedback" whatsoever.

    Also, I found a comic book store that had the 1st hardcover and it struck me as odd to hold in my hands a comic I'm so used to reading on a screen.
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    In midwitch cuckoos they were all wiped out before maturity by a massive bomb. I'd speculate from there to say that a bullet to the dome, or being blown apart, would cause complete death. I don't see them as immortals. As to the neural feedback issue, well, I don't see it being a problem with a quick kill. Different if they left Luke gut-shot and pleading for days.

    I'm not placing any credence in some sort of Freak Angel meta-consciousness that exists independently from them. Yes they can call up enough power to break everything when interlinked, but I don't see any indication of dependancy wrt powers
    • CommentAuthorSaiFai
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    @diello
    Yeah, I was just noticing there is a certain duality in FA morality. Basically anything goes, with the exception of their one law. They can kill dozens of people in gruesome fashion (while very cool looking) without batting an eyelash. I get there is a certain survivalist stand point because of the post drowning of London, but there were some FA seriously considering killing a hundred people just because they could cause trouble later. Also it seems they have no qualms with stealing memories, skills, information, and general motivation from peoples minds.

    They seemingly have no problem what-so-ever invading peoples minds, which if considered logically, is a massive invasion of privacy, trust, ect. True so far they have shown to keep mostly to themselves, but they are known to do these things/have done them in the past. What they do could be considered mind-rape, though it is not sexual in the least, the FA can take just about anything from a persons mind through force. Most people don't mind because I believe for the exception of Alice no one knows they are actively doing theses things.

    The point I was trying to make earlier was that Luke, most likely, doesn't care or see a difference between doing these routine function (at least to them) and bending someone's emotions to his will. KK, just sort of laughs when Luke invaded random (Females he wanted to sleep with) people's Dreams to give a lecture on philosophy (and seduce them). Luke is doing pretty much the same now, by putting a charm spell on some random female (true from what I can tell the current method was more direct), and everyone starts flying off the handle. All things considered rape isn't even a crime that is normally punishable with death. Then to add we don't even know what he did to the women, he may have did something akin to having her drink a love potion. (A common fantasy date-rape drug)

    The FA all seemed like tough individuals, yet two were deeply emotionally charged about this recent event, and they are profiling Luke as a Mark which while not completely unfair, seems to be jumping the gun a bit. I don't think that death is suitable to the crime (Haha, no such thing as guilty before proven innocent. He was caught red handed anyway.) and that killing Luke would be a gross injustice.
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    The freak angels are pragmatists. As has been seen they are interested in protecting their sphere of influence 'you don't get to come here and hurt people and take what they have' (paraphrased).

    the Push isn't really a charm-spell type thing from what I've understood of the comics-it is an overt mental compulsion that all the FA's had agreed not to engage in. Luke's dream invasion didn't cross that line but overt mind/body rape does.

    as for emotionally charged vs tough, well forgive me if I cry 'false dichotomy'. As in any group or individual aspects of both vie for supremacy in the group and in the individuals. Don't forget the debate that went on about letting the cholera ridden newcomers into whitechapel. That's the realism aspect, these violet-eyed ubermensch are still very human. With all the blessing/curse that involves
    • CommentAuthorSaiFai
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    Good points, perhaps I'm the only one, but I just thought because of how pragmatic they were Caz and Sirkka would have reacted differently. That whole tough vs. emotional reaction wasn't intended to be a dichotomy, just thought perhaps the scene was too melodramatic (not sure if that's the word I'm looking for). I'm not quite sure, I'll just settle for the fact I probably don't know enough about these characters yet to gauge how they are going to react.