Sun, 19 May 2013 00:44:36 -0700 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.4 & Feed Publisher http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15462#Comment_15462 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15462#Comment_15462 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:08:31 -0800 hmobius Having randomly picked up albums by Isis and Pelican, Amazon is now firing lots of post rock albums at me. Not a problem but on listening to samples they all seem to be attempting the same things. Long, ethereal sonic landscapes with trebly guitars doing some sort of venetian effect on top. Longer song titles because there are no lyrics and there's a need to set a starting point for the listener's imagination as they work through it. But is that it? Is this the aim for the typical post-rock band?

You look at 'Mathcore' or whatever its called these days and the principles of composition are the same but taken in different directions. 65daysofstatic and Battles aren't obvious genre mates. Any post rock bands out there doing something a little different?

Guidance and wisdom appreciated. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15467#Comment_15467 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15467#Comment_15467 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:32:12 -0800 Jason Michelitch
If you do go for either of those bands, the albums to try are 'TNT' and 'Goodbye Enemy Airship The Landlord is Dead', respectively. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15469#Comment_15469 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15469#Comment_15469 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:38:46 -0800 warrenellis http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15475#Comment_15475 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15475#Comment_15475 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:47:30 -0800 Dracko Soundtracks for the Blind even though that's stretching the definition, but who cares really? ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15476#Comment_15476 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15476#Comment_15476 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:47:55 -0800 nabokovsnose
Genre distinctions are tough. There are so many bands that blur the edges. You mention Isis and Pelican, but I think of the latter as more of a doom metal band dialed down into "post-rock" or "post-metal," or whatever. That's unimportant. All of the bands mentioned by yourself and the previous poster fit the bill, but I can't tell you what the "aim" of a particular post-rock band is. Some feature those trebly guitars. Other bands like The Mercury Program feature strong vibes and marimba. Some are vocal-less, like Godspeed You Black Emperor! while others weave their vocals in to their music with some satisfying results (like A Silver Mt. Zion). In any case, I think there's more variation than your giving the "genre," credit for.

Also, post-rock is not a good genre to listen to through samples. Long, mood-building songs don't lend themselves well to 30-second clips. Amazon is selling you short. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15478#Comment_15478 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15478#Comment_15478 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:54:11 -0800 Jason Michelitch http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15479#Comment_15479 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15479#Comment_15479 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:56:56 -0800 Dracko the Internet Archive has freely available recordings of some of their concerts. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15488#Comment_15488 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15488#Comment_15488 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:20:37 -0800 Steven Thomas but I'd recommend the Clogs.

4-piece instrumental group.
Acoustic guitar, samples, strings, and other various bits and bobs.
Lineup includes 2 members of the National.
The Clogs ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15489#Comment_15489 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15489#Comment_15489 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:23:53 -0800 Malsain Best gig of my life.

also, check out what's left of Epitonic.com. They have free stuff. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15494#Comment_15494 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15494#Comment_15494 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:48:21 -0800 Old Moon Face
Anyway. Of the myriad Constellation acts, Do Make Say Think is my favourite, and Winter Hymn, Country Hymn, Secret Hymn is totally indespensible. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15498#Comment_15498 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15498#Comment_15498 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:00:48 -0800 tulpa
Looking at that list of bands, I suggest you give OOIOO a listen, since they sound nothing like what you describe and for some reason are labelled post rock. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15507#Comment_15507 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15507#Comment_15507 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:34:06 -0800 hmobius I never thought of GodspeedYBE as post-rock until just now. They've just been around for so long that they seem to pre-date the classification. And i always thought of their stuff as soundtracks to silent propganda movies rather than *-rock. Guess that makes Justin Broadrick's other project Final post-rock as well.

@tulpa : wikipedia is good for some things. The definition of post rock ain't one. Its list of post rock bands is a bit voluminous too, which is mostly why I asked on here to narrow the search down a bit.
@nabakovsnose : I try and grab anything Seeqpod have got from a band before resorting to iTunes or Amazon snippets. Amazon are just the engine I use to recommend me some tunes. I'll be trying to seeq me some Swans, Do Make Say Think, Tortoise, Explosions in the Sky, Dirty Three and Bell Orchestre ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15510#Comment_15510 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15510#Comment_15510 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:36:26 -0800 offtandiscord
best bands along the lines of isis etc for me include:

Old Man Gloom
Bossk
They Don't Sleep
Breach
Lattitudes

my absolute favorite on the less heavy spectrum though include:
A Silver Mt Zion (best live performaces from anything i've ever witnessed ever)
godspeed
Vic Chesnutt
Do Make Say Think
most bands on constellation records for that matter...
red sparrowes

and yeah, genres are poop. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15515#Comment_15515 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15515#Comment_15515 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:43:03 -0800 joe.distort http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15516#Comment_15516 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15516#Comment_15516 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:43:55 -0800 warrenellis "I never thought of GodspeedYBE as post-rock until just now. They've just been around for so long that they seem to pre-date the classification."

It's an old classification, though. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15521#Comment_15521 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15521#Comment_15521 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:00:19 -0800 JaredRules Mogwai is THE greatest. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15523#Comment_15523 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15523#Comment_15523 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:13:53 -0800 offtandiscord
aereogramme are (were) also excellent. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15567#Comment_15567 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15567#Comment_15567 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:35:51 -0800 zoem
That said, Godspeed... set my expectations for Canadian Post-Rock, and I haven't really had a burning desire to pursue it a lot more. I've been disappointed every time I've tried. I think the genre has the ability to achieve those swelling, chaotic crescendos that usually rock music isn't *allowed* to do. Emo has nothing on emotional. Anyone can play guitar, but not anyone can torque the spirit.

And yeah, actually Mogwai predates Godspeed and is super excellent and also very layered and evocative. I remember listening to it in the office and someone saying on the office IRC, "Who is playing the funeral death music?" ... "Me..."

Mew isn't post-rock as such, but they cause that same feeling for me. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15576#Comment_15576 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15576#Comment_15576 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:07:08 -0800 JaredRules
If you're into the Do Make Say Think type, KC Accidental is another good one. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15589#Comment_15589 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15589#Comment_15589 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:37:07 -0800 Alastair http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15595#Comment_15595 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15595#Comment_15595 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:49:48 -0800 nabokovsnose Mum, but maybe they fit in an off-hand sort of way. More on "Finally We Are No One," then now I suppose. Now they have more of an animal-collective/shoegaze feel. Still: good band! ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15604#Comment_15604 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15604#Comment_15604 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:22:22 -0800 PaulBurke
Also, Laura's 'Radio Swan Is Down' is a good album.

Listening to Amazon samples will get you know where in this genre. It's kinda hard to find the stuff you like without first wading through long albums that you hate. You can't give up on a "dull" post rock song after five minutes because it might well mutate into just what you're looking for. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15606#Comment_15606 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15606#Comment_15606 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:30:06 -0800 Kernowdrunk http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15607#Comment_15607 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15607#Comment_15607 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:40:57 -0800 offtandiscord
i forced my brother, begrugingly, to one of their recent shows, he really didn't want to go, and afterwards he said that 'that is exactly what music should be like'... which sums it up amazingly. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15611#Comment_15611 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15611#Comment_15611 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:55:35 -0800 Old Moon Face http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15612#Comment_15612 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15612#Comment_15612 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:57:09 -0800 JaredRules http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15620#Comment_15620 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15620#Comment_15620 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:47:59 -0800 screaming meat
The band that seemed to start all this malarkey were Slint. Specifically their album spiderland which is a moody, fragile, twisted and humane heart-break of an album. Forget your explosions in the sky and mono and go and taste it youself. This is post-rock at it's primordial best where as Godspeed is it's most heavenly reaches.

For maths-core you should try out rodan/june of 44, who were also from the same town as slint. It leans towards the rock-side of things but as their career progressed they ended up in some pretty messed up places. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15624#Comment_15624 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15624#Comment_15624 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:57:26 -0800 eggzoomin Cougar. It's aaaaaall about Cougar. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15639#Comment_15639 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15639#Comment_15639 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:20:59 -0800 Randy74
I guess they are considered post, forgive me as thats about as new as the music i listen to gets... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15644#Comment_15644 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15644#Comment_15644 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:26:11 -0800 JaredRules http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15645#Comment_15645 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15645#Comment_15645 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:27:01 -0800 joe.distort http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15647#Comment_15647 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15647#Comment_15647 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:29:44 -0800 m1k3y two of my fave of the lesser known post-rock bands ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15648#Comment_15648 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15648#Comment_15648 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:30:51 -0800 warrenellis http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15649#Comment_15649 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15649#Comment_15649 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:36:22 -0800 JaredRules http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15650#Comment_15650 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15650#Comment_15650 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:37:48 -0800 warrenellis http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15651#Comment_15651 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15651#Comment_15651 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:40:27 -0800 offtandiscord
http://www.myspace.com/bossk ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15653#Comment_15653 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15653#Comment_15653 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:42:34 -0800 screaming meat The first half of Rip it Up was where the meat was. Can't stand ABC after reading it.

@Joe.Distort
There is an English band called Bossk, too (at least I don't think they're the same) They have a more Isis/Neurosis/Pelican approach - crushingly heavy. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15656#Comment_15656 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15656#Comment_15656 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:00:27 -0800 joe.distort http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15668#Comment_15668 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15668#Comment_15668 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:46:54 -0800 Jason Michelitch http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15916#Comment_15916 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15916#Comment_15916 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:41:25 -0800 ARES I'd also recommend you check out Swans' Soundtracks for the Blind even though that's stretching the definition, but who cares really? I wouldn't consider Swans post-rock, but yes, this album fits. It's also freakin' amazing, and some days is my favourite album by them, although picking just one Swans to love and to cherish is quite the foolish endeavour indeed.

Glad to see some love for The Silver Mt. Zion Memorial Orchestra and Tra-la-la Band, I've always appreciated Godspeed You! Black Emperor but absolute adore SMZ, especially after seeing them live. Mindblowing, one of the best concerts I've ever witnessed. I love Efrim's voice by the way. He can't sing, but neither could Quorthon from Bathory, yet both of them deliver(ed) some of the most passionate words ever spoken.

From the more metal side of the genre, ISIS, Neurosis, and especially Old Man Gloom are my favourites. In fact I think in 50 years Old Man Gloom will be called The Greatest Band in History, Man. Either that or ignored by even more people that do just that today. Whichever. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15921#Comment_15921 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15921#Comment_15921 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:53:12 -0800 joe.distort http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15924#Comment_15924 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15924#Comment_15924 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:56:08 -0800 offtandiscord
lucky git ;) ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15931#Comment_15931 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15931#Comment_15931 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:16:56 -0800 joe.distort http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15932#Comment_15932 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15932#Comment_15932 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:23:15 -0800 ARES
Tour news, dates/venues not confirmed

Furthest I've driven for a show was about 500 miles, to see Hammers of Misfortune in some tiny bar (Bottom of the Hill, SF). It was worth it. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15946#Comment_15946 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15946#Comment_15946 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:01:32 -0800 joe.distort

also: i have driven to la many times to see power violence bands that play like 20 minute sets. foolish? maybe. totally fucking rad fun? definitely. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15953#Comment_15953 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15953#Comment_15953 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:37:12 -0800 offtandiscord
And i once travelled the country following Mahumodo and Eden Maine on tour, not having places to sleep and not even knowing how far away places were was a bit silly, but i wouldn't take it back for anything.

some shows are just worth the effort... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15955#Comment_15955 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15955#Comment_15955 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:41:22 -0800 ARES
I missed out seeing Genghis Tron not once, but twice when they were out here. Stupid, stupid me. Converge make my head explode. Which is fine.

Oh yes, have you heard Watchmaker? I'm assuming yes, just checking. Talk about a huge torrent of anger/release. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15963#Comment_15963 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=15963#Comment_15963 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:08:34 -0800 joe.distort http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16003#Comment_16003 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16003#Comment_16003 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:15:16 -0800 screaming meat
Really? My band supported Eden Maine at their farewell gig at the luminare. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16004#Comment_16004 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16004#Comment_16004 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:19:32 -0800 offtandiscord
in which case you're brilliant 'cause all the bands that night were.

I are mates with the maine lot, they're all up to interesting things now... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16005#Comment_16005 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16005#Comment_16005 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:29:48 -0800 screaming meat
We'd be the band you didn't know. I remember 'this morning after' (or something) was another band - I think there were five or four bands that night. But we are these bastiches. That was a good night. We stole beer from the fridge when Eden Maine were having a "private moment". They weren't best pleased, I believe. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16007#Comment_16007 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16007#Comment_16007 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:34:20 -0800 offtandiscord
and no, optimist club didn't play, nor did they don't sleep now i think of it! i'm getting it confused with another gig i saw there where it was a bands last performance together...

i suck. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16012#Comment_16012 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16012#Comment_16012 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:16:23 -0800 screaming meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16020#Comment_16020 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16020#Comment_16020 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:41:38 -0800 Jason_Thibault
Some suggestions for "post rock"
Mellow stuff
The Autumn Offering (like a cross between Godspeed and Pelican)
Final - Electronic soundscapes by Justin Broaderick
Expo '70 - Cool drone band (I think he's a one-piece now)
Russian Circles
Red Sparrowes

A little (or a lot) heavier
Young Souvenir's America, they mix a southern rock vibe with the massive instrumental rock vibe
Knut - post rock outfit from Switzerland that can sometimes be crushingly heavy
Jesu - one of the best groups...on the planet
Year of No Light - -amazing group from France, long heavy songs with occasional screaming vocals

Really really heavy
Neurosis - they pretty much started this, mixing stoner sludge metal with atmospheric elements. Amazing live band as well. One of the best ever.
SunnO)))--two-piece drone apocalyptic sludge rock soundscapes and probably the heaviest band on the planet. I don't say that lightly, I've been exploring the heavy stuff for 22 years. I caught them live in Seattle last October and actually left 2/3rds of the way through because my ribcage was rattling. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16036#Comment_16036 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16036#Comment_16036 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:57:19 -0800 rossh http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16039#Comment_16039 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16039#Comment_16039 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:11:01 -0800 JaredRules Had to miss them the last few times they played here (seattle) ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16118#Comment_16118 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16118#Comment_16118 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:03:40 -0800 joe.distort SunnO))) walks a very fine line
seriously, they are one of the most extreme cases of "love em or hate em" that i can think of. last time they played here it was a total joke, 2 open chords being strummed for 50 minutes. i guess its just not my deal. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16120#Comment_16120 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16120#Comment_16120 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:06:36 -0800 screaming meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16121#Comment_16121 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16121#Comment_16121 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:07:45 -0800 offtandiscord http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16123#Comment_16123 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16123#Comment_16123 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:09:08 -0800 screaming meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16124#Comment_16124 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16124#Comment_16124 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:10:39 -0800 joe.distort
and also, kids were dropping like 60 bucks on 12" pic disks at sunn0))). retardedness...... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16125#Comment_16125 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16125#Comment_16125 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:10:46 -0800 offtandiscord
good BBQ's there too in the summer... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16135#Comment_16135 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16135#Comment_16135 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:07:11 -0800 Jason_Thibault
Yes, both are fantastic. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16141#Comment_16141 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16141#Comment_16141 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:23:44 -0800 Trotsky Altar" album "used, and yet unopened" from
Amoeba for super cheap.

Besides being one of the most beautiful and high cost presentations I've ever come across, it's epic as fuck and totally cool stuff.

If you like droney-as-fuck sound sorta sound, then you have to check out Nadja, it's absolutly amazing awesome stuff.

this album's great: Touched ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16700#Comment_16700 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16700#Comment_16700 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:49:21 -0800 tezifon
keeping the theme, you are getting out of styles

Sunn O))) is the best example of Drone Doom, it has more in common with gregorian chants that with rock
Nadja is Drone ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16800#Comment_16800 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16800#Comment_16800 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:33:06 -0800 Telecart http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16802#Comment_16802 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16802#Comment_16802 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:54:57 -0800 Doctor Pockets http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16855#Comment_16855 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16855#Comment_16855 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:27:33 -0800 hmobius
@Jason_Thibault : Jesu I already know via Godflesh \ Justin Broadrick. He got me into this whole shoe-gazing post-rock stuff in the first place but I'm not a big fan of his stuff as Final. Listening to Red Sparowes was actually what made me start the thread because it just sounded like Pelican and Isis

And Sunn o))) just seem to take the piss a bit. Even Cathedral wouldn't slow down a whole song to a couple of beats a minute. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16858#Comment_16858 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16858#Comment_16858 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:50:45 -0800 ARES
Altar was a lot better in concept than execution, for whatever reason I never quite got into that one. It had Kim Thayil and everything, but it is my least favourite Sunn O))) album. Maybe it still requires more time.

Black One is my favourite. Genuinely creepy stuff. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16946#Comment_16946 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16946#Comment_16946 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:45:09 -0800 JaredRules But I feel like they are just Mogwai-lite. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16973#Comment_16973 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16973#Comment_16973 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:03:46 -0800 Brent Wilcox

Meanwhile a short rant on "post-rock". Like most labels, it's essentially useless. The term feels like something a rock critic came up with to label new music that he had no historical context for. It sounds great, but doesn't really explain anything. Warren's right that in many ways it's modern classical. I'd say it's music made with an awareness of modern classical, but existing in a rock-band environment. And that puts it in a spectrum of experimental rock that's been happening since the late-60s. I first heard Tortoise's "Millions Now Living..." disc years ago, and heard early Steve Reich/Phillip Glass, Eno and Soft Machine.


So here's a way to look at it, as three waves (even this disregards some essentially pre-rock "pop" music that was playing with experimental concepts lifted from "academic" music in the early 60s, even the "exotica" movement of the 50s blends into this sequence).

Examples of the first round (late 60s-early 70s)
Soft Machine
Faust
Can
Brian Eno
Neu/Cluster/Kraftwerk
Henry Cow
Silver Apples

(usually lumped together at the time as "progressive rock", as if Faust had anything in common with ELP)

Second round examples (late 70s-early 80s) went in several directions at once:
The Residents
Glenn Branca
Elliot Sharp
early Laurie Anderson
Wire (and their solo projects)
Nurse With Wound
Lemon Kittens
Pere Ubu
Birdsongs of The Mesozoic

(We struggled with a lot of vague and undefinable labels back then, too: "post-punk", "New Music")

The latest round includes:
Mogwai
Tortoise
Godspeed You Black Emperor
some Bjork
& etc...

"Post-Rock" isn't a good term, and I don't think it's as awkward as "New Music" was. Nor was "Progressive Rock" or "Experimental Music" much use. You can parse sub-sub-sub genres all you want, but that's mostly a game for rock critics. And I think it was the British music press that was responsible for the absurd notion developed in the 90s that changing BPM created new genres of music. That's like saying that changing the font turns Science Fiction into Romance.

Anyway, after I get that Godspeed disc, I'll put it next to the new Faust/Nurse With Wound CD... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16988#Comment_16988 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=16988#Comment_16988 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:01:09 -0800 JaredRules
Totally the best Godspeed... album. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=17007#Comment_17007 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=17007#Comment_17007 Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:34:57 -0800 abkosher
There's a California band called Howard Hello who's released records on the Temporary Residence label (also home to Explosions, Lazarus, Tarantel - everyone should get their first album, From Bone To Satellite, and pretty much stop there unless you're looking for a much more abstract mess - and the wonderful Sleeping People). Both of their full lengths are pretty remarkable, serene and compelling at the same time. It's maybe more post-pop or post-ambient than post-rock, but I really love both the self-titled record and Don't Drink His Blood (which, apparently, is a concept record about the film Vampire's Kiss). One of the collaborators in this group was in Dilute whose Grape Blueprints Pour Spinach Olive Grape is worth looking for.

Another great modern act that's on about something else is a Danish combo called Slaraffenland (sounds like it's spelled, but it took me a few times to say it out loud) and their album Private Cinema. It's more post-post-rock - yes, we drank the water and our skin is blue, but we're still blonde with charming accents and words to sing. Not to be missed when they come to your town. Go listen here.

Always surprised that Slint's Spiderland gets namechecked (as it should), but folks forget about Rodan, Bastro or even Savage Republic. Or Public Image Limited's Flowers of Romance. What a fucking monster of a record that one is. Pre-dates just about everything we're talking about here (including the post-rock classification, though I think it fits) and it might make you say "Wait, Johnny Rotten was in a band before PIL? So?"

Fans of the krautrock that Brent listed (Can, Faust, Neu, that first Brainticket, etc) should check out Bright's Full Negative (or) Breaks (that's the title to one album, not two).

I've worked with a pretty amazing group called the Dead Science who're releasing their next record on Constellation. Nothing like any of the bands we're talking about except perhaps in mood. When music defies classification, it often becomes much harder to sell. Story of my life, or at least the last decade of it. Don't take my word for it, listen to them.

There's an amazing duo from England called Spaceheads which use a trumpet with a live sequencer and the drummer plays a modified kit (sheet metal and the like). I love their self-titled record on Dark Beloved Cloud (the label run by now reknowned comic critic Douglas Wolk) and Angel Station on Merge as well as a live record they sell through their site.

We just signed the Azeda Booth from Calgary who're pretty remarkable. See here. That's a

guy

singing!

Brent mentioned Reich and Glass and fans of what you'd call post-rock, should really take the time to investigate their work. I was totally intimidated by the classical tag as I've never been educated about classical or modern classical music, but Terry Riley's "In C" blew my mind and I've tried to seek it out and teach myself about it since then. (There are a lot of really wonderful versions of "In C," but lately, I quite like the one by an ensemble called Bang On A Can.) I also really like Steve Reich's Different Trains. (cont'd) ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=17008#Comment_17008 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=17008#Comment_17008 Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:35:24 -0800 abkosher

Is M83 post-rock? I love their last couple of records. They're like Baz Luhrman doing Godspeed.

Also rubbing elbows from a completely different part of the map and with more traditional roots, but a voice and style that just completely sets him in a class by himself is an old jazz singer named Jimmy Scott. Now, I know this thread was started discussing Isis and Boris and Mastadon and whatever, so if you're looking for heavy and repetitive, read no further. If you're looking for a voice from outerspace, a drifting cloud of honey and sedatives and a touch of the sublime, seek this man out. He was afflicted with Kalman's Syndrome, a genetic disorder which prevented his body from going through puberty. Many think he sounds like a woman. He was also plagued with terrible problems with his record labels and has far fewer records and less fame than he should. A number of his releases are out of print or only available via import. He does standards that I never thought I'd want to hear again with such a distinct touch, it brings an impact back to the songs that had been lacking for years due to horrible soundtrack placement and bad commercial adaptations. I'd recommend The Fabulous Songs of Jimmy Scott (which has the amazing "Sometimes I Feel Like A Motherless Child"), Falling In Love Is Wonderful (produced by Ray Charles, but barely released for over 30 years until Rhino put out a special edition), the collection Lost and Found and a few others. The more modern stuff is hit and miss, not because of Scott, but because of his arrangers and producers. Yes, this is jazz, but post-rock owes as much to jazz as it does to minimalism, prog, electronic music and no wave. And not liking any jazz, well that's just as crazy as saying you don't like any post-punk. Ha! (Just teasing.) In any case, I'm not going to post a link, because this is one of those situations where you should commit to buying the album, then take it home and listen to it by yourself, no actions or distractions. Wine or whiskey optional.

But really. I fucking hate Rush. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=17012#Comment_17012 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=17012#Comment_17012 Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:53:01 -0800 zoem
Great thread, building a nice list of things to check out... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=17018#Comment_17018 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=17018#Comment_17018 Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:02:42 -0800 Brent Wilcox

@abkosher - I didn't realize "post-rock" was coined to describe Quique. It's a brilliant album, always sounded me like a sorta minimalist showgaze thing, an ambient Cocteau Twins perhaps. But that just makes my point that these labels don't really describe much, and the interesting music can never be described strictly by category. And Savage Republic is an interesting touchstone, personally. I'm an old friend of Bruce Licher, and worked with him on a bunch of things. Before Savage Republic he played with me in NEEF (so now everyone can run over to my MySpace page and listen to the NEEF track from 1978 that he plays on... heh heh...). In fact, I should go over there and add "post-rock" to my multi-hyphenated (multi-slashed?) description.

Phillip Glass recommendation - nothing later than Einstein on The Beach (except the Koyanisquaatsi soundtrack). Good intro is "North Star", soundtrack done in his early style, and in digestible "pop tune" lengths. Or dive directly into something massive and minimal like "Music in 12 Parts". For Steve Reich, go directly to "Drumming".

Bang On A Can also does a brilliant rendition of Eno's "Music For Airports" - translating a composition originally constructed largely from manipulated tapes into arrangements for actual instruments.

Post-Rock? My older sister thinks that any rock newer than Bill Haley & The Comets isn't rock anymore. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=17021#Comment_17021 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=17021#Comment_17021 Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:10:03 -0800 MaC http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=17049#Comment_17049 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=17049#Comment_17049 Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:47:06 -0800 offtandiscord http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18185#Comment_18185 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18185#Comment_18185 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:29:50 -0800 Alastair http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18209#Comment_18209 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18209#Comment_18209 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:18:59 -0800 warrenellis http://www.myspace.com/azedabooth - listening now. Nice. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18237#Comment_18237 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18237#Comment_18237 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:58:18 -0800 JaredRules http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18285#Comment_18285 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18285#Comment_18285 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:16:10 -0800 Brent Wilcox

@alastair - the German folks came to mind quickest, especially as they seem to have had the most influence down the years on the newer folks... but "Krautrock" is just another one-size-fits-all category I try to avoid. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18351#Comment_18351 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18351#Comment_18351 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:22:08 -0800 Alastair http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18473#Comment_18473 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18473#Comment_18473 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:10:47 -0800 Brent Wilcox http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18528#Comment_18528 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18528#Comment_18528 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:23:43 -0800 Alastair http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18541#Comment_18541 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18541#Comment_18541 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:28:46 -0800 liquidcow
Does anyone else think that post-rock is finding its way into the mainstream somewhat? I went to see Kings of Leon, and even apart from the fact that their new album has some post-rock influences on it, the support band were some band called Snowden, who were alright for a bit, but I couldn't help but think, especially when they went into these big dramatic noisy crescendos, 'this is watered down post-rock'. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18576#Comment_18576 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18576#Comment_18576 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:52:33 -0800 Jason Michelitch I guess when you have post-punk (although I'm not entirely sure what that is)

Post-Punk is a loosely defined genre/movement that arose in the wake of Punk's rise and fall in 1977. It generally includes musicians who rejected Punk itself (after the initial rush of novelty) as conservative Hard Rock just played faster and louder, but incorporated Punk's rebellious, no-rules, and DIY concepts in creating what they considered more innovative music.

Bands often considered as belonging to postpunk include Public Image Ltd., Gang of Four, Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, Pere Ubu, Joy Division, Talking Heads, and many, many others. Like Warren said, it was a big tent.

Also as Warren said before, Simon Reynolds' book RIP IT UP AND START AGAIN is a great source of postpunk history. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18581#Comment_18581 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18581#Comment_18581 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:39:42 -0800 KieronGillen I prefer to go straight to the source, though there's a really fun run-down of the scene which made him coin it over at Pitchfork, including a load of Reynolds quote.

In Reynold's defence, like in most things he does, he had a very specific sort of things in mind when coining it - as someone else has said, using traditional rock instrumentation in a non-rock fashion (i.e. against the idea that records are fundamentally a recreation of the live "rock" experience). There was a lot of studio-as-instrument stuff (Disco Inferno), and indie bands i) not really wanting to be indie bands and ii) indie bands looking for inspiration primarily from non-rock sources, but without actually just trying to replicate those sources directly (i.e. Not being indie-dance).

In practice, the influence of the pre-post-rock neologising Spiderlands by Slint tended to overwrite all that, with Tortoise being the other half of it. Slint's certainly a heavy influence on the big-three post-rock-cross-over bands in the late 90s - that is, Mogwai, Godspeed and Sigur Ros.

And as others have said: Raise your skinny fists is the place to start with Godspeed.

(And, in passing, Godspeed live remain one of the top 5 gigs of my life. I think Mogwai gets in there too.)

KG ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18646#Comment_18646 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18646#Comment_18646 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:49:04 -0800 Brent Wilcox ... the use of rock instruments for music that is not typically rock


This is a good definition, and probably as close as anyone's going to get to a workable one.

My point's been that the definition applies to a lot of music done since at least the late-60s -encompassing quite a lot of "progressive-rock" and "post-punk" along the way.

"Post-rock" is a cool term and useful shorthand. But it's also exceptionally vague when you take a closer look.
So I'll stop trying to define it... Frankly I'm more interested in finding the music itself. Godspeed is on order, and I'm enjoying the new Sigur Ros.

Bands often considered as belonging to postpunk include Public Image Ltd., Gang of Four, Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, Pere Ubu, Joy Division, Talking Heads, and many, many others. Like Warren said, it was a big tent.

You could argue that Pere Ubu predated punk rock, having started in what... 1975 in Cleveland? Devo, too (who despite what they turned into were way out on the cutting edge in 1973 or so...)

As an aside, which may not exactly be on topic here... as a veteran of the 80's DIY indie surge (when absolutely anyone could and did put out their own 7" and EPs and cassettes and there were ad hoc distribution networks to spread them around), I've belatedly discovered that I can do the same thing via MySpace and have virtual global availability. This beats the hell out of having boxes of vinyl sit in the closet for decades... I'm not selling anything yet, but I never made a dime on all that vinyl either. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18659#Comment_18659 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18659#Comment_18659 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:52:49 -0800 joe.distort Punk's rise and fall in 1977.

yeah.....please see the other thread about this. thanks. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18706#Comment_18706 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18706#Comment_18706 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:11:59 -0800 KieronGillen
And then Britpop, which proved them right but also buried them alive.

KG ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18955#Comment_18955 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=18955#Comment_18955 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:11:36 -0800 Brent Wilcox

(Also received in the mail today:
Robert Wyatt - Comicopera
Faust/Nurse With Wound - Disconnected
Fripp & Eno - Beyond Even) ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19010#Comment_19010 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19010#Comment_19010 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:08:31 -0800 munin218
*shiver*

a friend of mine creeps me out occasionally by playing them in the car.

a swear, it's what going crazy must sound like...... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19033#Comment_19033 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19033#Comment_19033 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:57:11 -0800 williac Mouth of the Architect is in the same heavy vein as Neurosis.

They take the stage and don't come up for air until they're done. Every song bleeds into the next. The crowd just stands there as if in a trance. The bar has to hate this. Seconds after the last note, everyone in the audience inhales and exhales deeply and looks around like they don't know how they got where they are.

I've seen other bands try this, but MotA's the only one I've seen who could pull it off. Their show is an event you have to see through to the end. If you left halfway through, you'd want to start a fight, 3/4ths of the way through and you'll feel like you're dying, but if you wait until the end, they'll pick you up and set you back on your feet. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19036#Comment_19036 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19036#Comment_19036 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:07:37 -0800 Brent Wilcox ....The Residents.

Changed my life.
Got me through the '80s.
For a while (peaking with Mark Of The Mole), they were the Greatest Band in the Whole Freakin' World. (I'm not kidding...)

Talk about "fringe", they were a glorious leak from a parallel universe. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19174#Comment_19174 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19174#Comment_19174 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:50:02 -0800 joe.distort http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19209#Comment_19209 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19209#Comment_19209 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:37:45 -0800 ARES
Also the new Silver Mt. Zion and Kayo Dot albums are both coming in March. Yay. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19336#Comment_19336 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19336#Comment_19336 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:06:06 -0800 billymeltdown
That's such an amazing record...

Would you still consider that "contemporary" though? I wouldn't. We move fast fast fstr these days... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19350#Comment_19350 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19350#Comment_19350 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:15:27 -0800 SPM
Also, it's been mentioned already, but I'll say it anyway: These categorizations tell us as much about the listener(s) as they do about the music. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19802#Comment_19802 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19802#Comment_19802 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:25:15 -0800 williac http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19877#Comment_19877 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=19877#Comment_19877 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:06:55 -0800 liquidcow http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=20938#Comment_20938 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=20938#Comment_20938 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:13:34 -0800 Jason Michelitch ..."Raise Yr Skinny Fists To Heaven" by Godspeed You! Black Emperor."

That's such an amazing record...

Would you still consider that "contemporary" though? I wouldn't.

Oh god. Please don't tell me I'm that old already.

This is like the time I had a teenage girl ask me who the "Wang-Tang Clan" is. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=21571#Comment_21571 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=618&Focus=21571#Comment_21571 Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:30:53 -0800 radian
As a genre, post rock was applied to so many bands who didn't sound like much else at the time however little they had in common. So that now when an act takes the sound of one of those a little further away from the common ground but is still described as post rock we get the current situation where supposed genre-mates sound widely different. This occurs more as post-rock bands take influence from more tightly defined genres. Battles aren't out of place on Warp because they can be considered a live "IDM" band as well as having elements in common with post rock bands like Tortoise. Red Sparowes, being a side project of ISIS and Neurosis members bridge between the classical-influenced post rock of Godspeed... and the more atmospheric metal

btw, does anyone like Wolves in the Throne Room? They're not so much a mix of post rock and metal as their tracks start out with atmosphere and then suddenly...METAL! but if you're into the heavier side they're worth checking out.

On the one hand I think having a genre so broad is confusing. Especially as many older post rock bands like Mogwai hate the term post rock (but then, how do they describe themselves?)
I've sometimes described bands I'm in as post-rock and then been at a loss to explain it when someone isn't familiar with the term. ("guitar-based-ambient" is met with looks that say "oh, boring!")

On the other hand I'm glad it hasn't been subdivided down to the ridiculous level you see in e.g drum'n'bass where using a different kick sample or changing the tempo by a couple of bpm sees you sidelined into another subgenre.

sorry for the stream-of-consciousness type post. ]]>