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    • CommentAuthorcjstevens
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009 edited
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    It was interesting to see Warren making his request for a new phone earlier, as yesterday I myself was checking out new models just to see what tech was out now.

    I am also glad to see Warren not giving any love to the Iphone. This is a big deal to me. I HATE APPLE products and I just don't understand why the world is so hypnotised by the 'Steve Jobs Matrix'. Apple sux. They really do.

    OK I admit I have a classic slimline IPOD 30 gig as my MP3 player, and I like it, but I would much rather have the equivalent standard MP3 from Sony or something, because then I wouldn't have to waste so much time converting stuff to the 'Apple' format. And I hate the way they designed it to make it very awkward to transfer data from the disk. Why? (I know why but it's stupid).

    I'm also aware if you're a graphic designer then MACs are the weapon of choice, but I think this is more of a cultural expectation for the industry, (I'm sure a PC of equivalent spec would be just as suitable if not better).

    I ranted at a beautiful woman about how much I hate Apple a few nights ago in the pub. She couldn't understand why I am so passionate about my rejection of the Apple brand. I think it's because of evryone else's willingness to buy into these overpriced and restrictive products.
    EG. The new nanos come with special headphone adapters so if you want to use your own headphones, you have to purchase a serparate Apple adapters. WHY?
    When you buy an Apple product, it only really responds well to other Apple tech, I hate this lack of compatability. At least Microsoft embrace interconnectivity. Yeah. You know what? For all the glitches and bugs I love Microsoft (by comparison).

    Did anyone see BBC Click the other day? (You should check it out if not). It depicted how insanely controlling the Apple corporation are, with their own security forces and their response that running the segment ( which reviewed the last Apple media event and the launch of the 3G) would sour relations with the BBC. They don't even want independent reviews of their products. God I hate them. But I also hate how inadequate the efforts of other manufacturers are to innovate new designs and interfaces on products that can challenge Apple.

    I like the 'idea' of an Iphone' but it just doesn't work for me. It's a fashion accessory, the equivalent of a flashy gold chain. It looks pretty and the some of the Apps are cool and fun, but there is no need for them to be restriced to the Iphone. And everything that people claim to use them for is pointless. Oh well done! you can clearly update your facebook profile while on the train to: I'm on the train, and the page is so well displayed. Oh it's so pretty.

    So back to phones I am a Sony Ericsson man. The usability, reliability, interface and design is just spot on. On their website I saw the new X1 or Expedia or something. It looks like an Iphone but it has a little flip out keyboard. This is it! I thought, the phone that I have been waiting for. (I still think my K800i is the best phone available today overall). Unfortunately the camera on the X1 is only 3.2 MP. What is the point of that? Oh yeah and it costs about £500. So maybe it's not such a good purchase, but you know what, it's a step in the right direction to offer an alternative to Hellspawn..I mean Apple.

    Am I the only person left who has not been brainwashed?
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      CommentAuthorglukkake
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    ...so is this about phones or Apple?
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    I am a designer, though not graphic, and macbooks are running rampant among us. I for one use a desktop, Windows XP, and lots of other things that I put into it. I am indifferent towards Apple.

    I give Jobs and crew credit though. They needed a boost and drove into a Microsoft controlled market and held their own. Then came the day where Apple started setting the bar. MS is trying to play catch up with all the hipster gadgets. Apple has MP3s on lock. They are slipping in laptops due to the PC affordability commercials. They have a phone that is selling on the very hype you are ranting about. Sure this sucks for them to have such control. And, yes lots of the phone is flashy gold. However, having "the streets of the world" (according to Mr. Ellis's twitter) is a powerful thing, not to mention the communication capabilities.

    I for one am not a huge full touch screen fan. I am thick fingered and like my tactile interactions. That aside the directions that we are being driven excite me. I can deal with Apple being the driver for now. But portable tech is going places and in a hurry.
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    The iPod and iPhone dominance is simple, they are grandma proof tech. They're not the best quality, best technology, best compression, even best service. But you can buy nana an iPhone and she can make calls and use an application or two and not have to read the brick that comes with a blackberry or treo.

    The iphone interface? Think those picture menus they have at fast food places so the employees don't even need to know how to read.

    There were and are better smart phones and better mp3 players (the walkman series got really nice there for a while) but Apple made it simple, made it easy and made a mint.

    I don't hate them for it. That's just silly.
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    Are you seeing a psychiatrist? Because you really need to.
    • CommentAuthorcjstevens
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009 edited
     (6180.6)
    Yes and the convergence and divergence of mass-produced mobile internet technology. Just can't understand why other companies struggle to replicate that 'user friendly' mass appeal.

    I don't believe in psychiatry.
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    So what exactly is your point here?

    I mean all technology is broken in someway. Some of it less so than other bits of technology.
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    The thread won't last as an Apple discussion. Not only is the debate about it pointless, it is irrelevant to the notion of Ellis getting a phone anyway.

    Is the Palm Pre being pushed in England? Everything I have seen still look sharp as hell. Though not as a Camera.
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    @JT:
    Sharp is right - saw a vid of a Pre being used to slice cheese!
    Review of my recommendation to Warren, the Nokia N86, here.
    • CommentAuthorIllogic
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    Does any of these actually qualify as mobile phones anyway, or are they just retarded computers with the ability to call people?
    Also: Is there a variety that you can kill people with?
    • CommentAuthorBill Reed
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    I don't really like Apple either, but they're not, you know, Satan.

    I have a Palm Centro. It was free.
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      CommentAuthorFinagle
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    I've been doggedly sticking with Windows Mobile because of the wide variety of stuff I can do on it, and because my carrier isn't AT&T. Up until the iPhone, I would have said it was the most versatile platform.

    If I were starting over now, I would be looking hard at the Pre and at an Android-based phone. The Pre's OS is just smart and pretty, but in the long run I think Android is going to be a hugely dominant platform for all kinds of stuff. They're already putting it on netbooks and other small devices, which is a much smarter approach than Apples - they are scaling up, not trying to cram a subset of a full OS onto a device, as both Microsoft and Apple do. The application platform should be increasingly robust, as it is based on Linux. I think at this point I'm I'm holding out on getting a new next phone until there's a fully supported Android phone on my carrier, even though my current phone is just woefully underpowered (XV6800, way too little RAM).

    What I'll be especially waiting for in Android is Redfly support - having used it with Windows Mobile, the ability to have a netbook-sized keyboard and mouse that just acts as a dumb terminal to my phone is just invaluable to getting real work done without carrying another full computer.
    • CommentAuthorsacredchao
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009 edited
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    I too hate Apple with a passion. Overdesigned hipster trash. Plus, I can build a better PC for a significantly lower price.

    As for phones, I've my eye on the HTC Fuze (I think it's called the Touch Pro in the UK). It uses Windows Mobile (which I like as it supports Evernote), has a touch screen, can output video to a display, and serve as a media player.
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      CommentAuthorrickiep00h
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
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    I still have my HTC Titan (aka Verizon VX6800/Sprint PPC6800). It's okay for what it does. It runs Windows Mobile, and has a decent enough capability to run just about anything I want it to. It has a slide-out QWERTY keyboard, and it works reasonably well.

    The problems I have are not functional, but practical. Yes, it has a touchscreen. But it's a) recessed, and b) requires a stylus, or very precise fingernail operation. It's definitely not made for those with fat fingers. Or fingers in general.

    It does not have a 3.5mm headphone jack. It doesn't even have a 2.5mm jack. It has some sort of insane bulky micro-USB dongle thing, with a 2.5mm jack on THAT. Not very practical.

    The camera leaves something to be desired.

    So, I guess my point is, Mr. Ellis: do not buy the HTC Titan. HTC seems to be going in the right direction with the Touch series, but avoid the Titan like the plague.
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      CommentAuthorglukkake
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
     (6180.15)
    @Illogic my Treo is like a brick that can give someone a concussion when used properly and not fall apart. Does that count?
    On the otherhand, it's old, out of date, the camera doesn't work anymore and the one program I bought for it (which was the whole point to getting it from my brother) gave me a shitty registration code and the company refused to email me back about fixing it. This is my first foray into a "computer that happens to make phone calls" though.

    I'm really interested in learning about writing apps for other phones besides the iPhone, but I have no idea where to begin on that. And I feel like it's one of those things that is keeping the iPhone above all others - that it's just rather easy to make stuff for it, so it's being flooded with all these spiffy things that make me want it. I just a) can't afford it b) refuse to leave Verizon at this point in time.

    Where would I start to learn about building stuff for other phones though?
    • CommentAuthorE0157H7
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
     (6180.16)
    This is why I do not own a smartphone. They seem to make people very angry.

    And people that take pictures with their iPhone as if it were a real camera look like tools.
    • CommentAuthorhobozombie
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2009
     (6180.17)
    I really, really want an iPhone. Well, no, actually. I want a phone that is NOT an iPhone that still has it's level of usability.

    At the moment im using the old BlackBerry Curve and it's probably the best phone I've ever owned. Battery life is spectacular, it allows me to faff about with the workings with consummate ease and best of all, I once dropped it out of a 7th story window whilst on a call, when i found it on the pavement far below, the call was still going. Admittedly, the camera is a pile of shit, as is the built in browser (though you can always stick opera on it), but as a phone its pretty good.

    But what the iphone has is sheer ease of use. and the best browser by a country mile. And multitouch. And an established app store. Though the app store is evil. It really is, rotten fuckheads in charge micromanaging to a disgusting degree. The open source of android beckons.

    So. I wait. And wait and wait and wait. And as yet, no phone company has come up with a better all round handset than the iPhone. I really dont want to buy one. I would fuck me right off. So right now the only thing to do is wait some more until some company hits that level of design genius the iphone is on whilst NOT BEING DICKS ABOUT IT.
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    We're definitely getting to the point the 'phone' title we give these devices is a courtesy. I envision a device more like a netbook the size of a large men's wallet, either clamshell or sliding keyboard, exclusively bluetooth and speakerphone. It's nice technology has reduced the size of these things and made them more portable(loseable?), but at the same time the functionality of the keyboards and screens suffer. It's in these two areas the iPhone definitely shines a bit brighter.

    As far as the Apple argument? I think it's time to grow up. It's not 1996 anymore. Arguing that Apple 'sucks' at great length shows as much hipster snobbery as the Apple aficionado shows dangling his new phone for all to see. They're tools, nothing more.
    • CommentAuthorE0157H7
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2009
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    @Val A Lindsay II - They're getting on that. The Snapdragon platform is making ARM-based machines an alternative to complex instruction set ones, and developing software for them is only marginally more complex than doing it for a smartphone. Mobile carriers are looking at them favorably because they foster the use of Android or Windows Mobile, which makes controlling that marketplace and implementing cellular modems easier. The obsolescence of the first-gen ones has already more or less been announced, which is amusingly meta. In 2011 they'll probably replace smartphones for people that don't need to be constantly talking on them all day.
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    "I ranted at a beautiful woman about how much I hate Apple a few nights ago in the pub. She couldn't understand why I am so passionate about my rejection of the Apple brand."

    So... no phone number then?

    -Tom Gastall