Whitechapel - FREAKANGELS Episode 0060

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Ariana — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:06:38 -0700

It's Friday, have some FREAKANGELS. In case you were uncertain about it: Kait's fucking mental.

Morning, Whitechapel. Eyes no focus so good yet need rinse out with caffiene magic go juice now. How's everyone else?

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Kradlum — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:12:36 -0700

Hmm... so is this a new place Kait has selected, or are the chains and blood stains part of her long running business in Whitechapel?

It's Friday. I've been to the comic shop every day this week and read through a pile of The Walking Dead, DMZ and Y the Last Man. I think that sums up my attitude to work this week.

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Flabyo — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:12:52 -0700

Still recovering from my second cold of the month. I attempted to kill it with alcohol last night, so I'm not sure if it's still there cause the hangover has taken over.

And yes, Kait really is fucking mental.

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Zatoichi — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:14:20 -0700

Every day a new adventure in Whitechapel...

I'm very impressed with the story arc. And it keeps getting better!

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Purple Wyrm — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:15:17 -0700

Feeling like crap after a week of work-related crap and eating crap. But I've got a heap of vitamin loaded vegetables ready for dinner which should ward off my incipient case of scurvy.

Wow. All that... blood. Maybe we weren't so far wrong when we though Kait might have killed the murder victim in an interrogation gone too far.

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AzraelAngel — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:16:15 -0700

Imagine that last panel in a large print...*shiver* disturbing...

Still, this weeks one is good. Waiting in anticipation for next weeks!

Oh, I'm good thanks!

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Silvith — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:18:05 -0700

This is... twisted. Do all the Freakangels harbour secrets like this? I was just beginning to like Kait, actually, I wonder what'll happen next. They can't allow her to keep screening herself, not after seeing this.

As for the week: luckily this week nobody's been fired in the office I work. It's a nice change from the past weeks, we've kinda been halved in size. Also, I had an exam in OO-programming which was rather more difficult then expected. The good thing is, today we get Smash hits for the wii, and it has the Trooper on it XD

Also, good morning and thanks for the update. It's the highlight of the long long week!

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BigJonno — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:18:49 -0700

I've not had an "oh, holy crap" moment in anything for a while, and that was one bloody good "oh, holy crap" moment.

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Pow — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:22:35 -0700

ooof, wouldn't want to be Luke much

spent the morning laughing at the internet, last night a guy on another forum I read used an old joke website to restart a twitter rumour that Jeff Goldbloom was dead, which spread impressivly quickly. At one point this morning it was the second most used search on google and was broadcast on australian TV. Kevin Spacey and Demi Moore twittered about it.

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Paladine — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:35:48 -0700

Holy fuck, that's awesome. So now I'm picturing Sirkka's little dungeon of fun, Caz's garden of remade (people with machine parts), Arkady's puppet theatre...

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Kosmopolit — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:49:41 -0700

And, of course, the rest of the Freakangels are complicit because they didn't want to know.

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bairdduvessa — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:52:43 -0700

are we about to see a freakangels civil war?

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odarable — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:54:14 -0700

I love it! Borrowed my friend s iphone just to read it. Creepy little device.

Yesterday I saw Faith No More and they played This Guy Is In Love With You and I DIED. Also managed to stay off alcohol! Stayed at a luxury resort hotel, and now we are driving towards Roskilde Festival in Denmark. The sun is shining, it is so warm, but the wind is blowing through my hair and I have Air on my ears. It is summer and everything is finally good. So tons of icky hippieish love to you all! That includes you, Warren. I know you need a hug.

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Noogies — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:55:27 -0700

Wow, Warren does it again....

I agree with Alice, this is bullshit, poor girl, they keep invading her mind...

Great episiode, Crazy Kait alright.

It´s my second day into my summer vacation, and I´m still in bed at noon, doesn´t get much better, unless I had a cold beer, that would indeed be better.

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Acropolypse — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:57:45 -0700

Wow... page 6 is an absolute STUNNER, one of the best so far! Superb work Paul.

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mister hex — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:00:48 -0700

Loved Sirkka's "these aren't the droids you're looking for" bit.

So Kait's got a dungeon. And what a dungeon! So what? She's a copper. She's a peeler. She's the Filth. So she tunes people up when they've committed a crime. That's what coppers do. Don't tell me you're surprised. Where do you think she got those weapons? A Toys-For-Swords Drive? No, she took them from some nasty people. Who she later incarcerated. There's no one there now so she must have let them go, right? Right? (Love the graffiti, btw.)

Excellent reveal.

@ Kosmo - Did they not want to know or Kait's always screening so they couldn't know?

I am my usual wretched self.

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twitch_ramirez — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:07:43 -0700

No, does not bode well at all for dear ol' Luke. That last panel had me flashing on some bizarre Caligula fantasy. Yes, Kait has issues, but hell, they all do. They did bring about the end of the world after all.

Very good issue you guys. Warren, you are so warped in the most interesting ways. Paul, getting gooooooooooooooood. Those opening panels on page 1 and 2 are just downright a pleasure to absorb. Ariana, coffee is good. Coffee is our friend.

I am off to doctor today. Side affects are starting to take a toll. Object du jour is my thyroid. Fucking cancer sucks!

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mister hex — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:18:22 -0700

twitch - stay strong, brother.

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cjtremlett — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:30:26 -0700

It's been a hell of a week here. Friend of mine disappeared on Tuesday evening. Police searching, the whole nine yards. Last night, she came back safe. Don't know what happened yet, but it's a hell of a relief.

Re The Signal - Yes, Warren, I love you. You sick twisted bastard.

I agree with Alice - this is bullshit. Messing with her mind to patch up messing with her mind. Can't be good in the long run, even if it's easier in the short run. And I wonder why, in the context of Sirkka's story, the victim didn't ask why Luke's pants were missing.

Gorgeous as ever, Paul. I love what you do with shadows.

Is it wrong of me to love Kait even more?

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elricj — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:37:24 -0700

@cjtremlett - i was about to post the last line of your post myself.

as for the mindfix well, what did Alice think they did to her? or maybe she hasn't gotten round to that bit of it yet...

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Mister Andersen — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:37:47 -0700

You english love your disused swimmingpools of death

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Gekko — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:44:07 -0700

Page 6 is awesome.

Sixtieth episode, It seems everything started like yesterday. Thank you good people of Whitechapel, I mean the Authors and the team, and we're looking forward to enjoying at least the next 60.

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LBA — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:56:37 -0700

damn..

just damn

excellent art and I was totally not expecting Kait's torture pit - as was said previously - excellent reveal.

It seems that Kait has a pathological obsession with Law and Order and takes her role as police, judge, jury and executioner quite seriously.

I still like her though

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rickiep00h — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:09:49 -0700

Why do I feel like I've seen page six before? I mean, not exactly, but the composition feels familiar for some reason.

Aside from that, the details on page five, panel one are fantastic. The shadows, 'Kady's foot/posture, etc.

Also, that's some wicked shorts action Karl's got going on.

Morning status: groggy. Contemplating purchasing a giant bottle of Mountain Dew.

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lordmitz — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:10:03 -0700

oh lordy, that's a decent ending...

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Zaratustra — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:17:48 -0700

Kait -is- the Jack Bauer type, but she doesn't really need to torture people to obtain information, does she?

On the other hand, keeping them manacled in a concrete pit until they wear their hands down to the wrists pounding on the walls and maybe shooting a dude here and there is A-OK.

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twitch_ramirez — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:38:53 -0700

* mister hex
(6236.18)
twitch - stay strong, brother.

Thanks and I shall as best I can.

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buddharhubarbbutter — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:40:14 -0700

Interesting conundrum: is it better to have her never know that this happened to her in the alley?

Exceptional episode. I haven't looked forward to anyone's work like this since, well, since TRANSMET ended, frankly...

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mister hex — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:50:31 -0700

"i'm sorry" "I don't want to die" "LET ME OUT!" - The plaintive cries of every criminal. Do you think she's fooled for a second by all that twaddle? She Is Not. This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps*. (That's one for all the Big Lebowski fans out there.)

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Berserker — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:52:25 -0700

Should I be so amused that after two weeks of moral debate over Luke and his activities, it's suddenly revealed he's not the only monster still in the 'angel fold? Because it seems mighty clear that something very bad has been happening there, and with a fair amount of regularity from the looks of it.

This clears up a few questions, and raises a few others:

1. It seems pretty obvious now that at least some of the Freakangels CAN mask use of their powers. Or maybe it's just that the difference between controlling a persons mind 'reads' little different from peeking into a sick girls tummy. In that case, it's less about WHAT power is being used than it is about WHO'S using a power.

2. Making the girl forget what happened is a double edged sword, it seems. Alice clearly doesn't approve. Why would she? That was done to her, not only by Mark, but then the rest of them. How sure are we of what they let her remember and what they didn't - and now how sure is she? Seeing this might bring up all kinds of nasty fears in her, to say nothing of how alienated it's leaving her on several levels.
But, we know that right now only Alice knows about them fully. So Sirkka doing the wipe on this poor girl was both a kindness to her, and another example of them covering up the fact they exist. It also renders their best witness to this useless.
Funny, if Alice was in the mood she could go up the watchtower and get on the radio and tell all of Whitechapel the truth.

3. So they have a place to keep Luke now - but how do you keep a Freakangel in chains? Or in a cage or anything else they don't want to be in? This means a babysitter, most certainly. And it'd have to be another 'angel, more probably a few of them.
Unless they just hold 'court' immediately, this is going to be a really taxing situation for all of them.

Can't wait to see where this goes.

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Contumacy_Singh — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:00:54 -0700

Paul, gorgeous work on the light/shadow effects on the swimming pool. What could have been a boring shot becomes something seething with menace.

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Pooka — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:17:34 -0700

I told ya all months ago I thought Kait was a nutter...that stink they smelled...old rotten blood I'm assuming. ewww...

Oh wow..what a week. My birthday happened three days ago. I went to see the new transformers movie (my hubs is a HUGE collector...he's bound to have about eight hundred figures now...all in the bedroom...all staring at us...), which was better than the first one....it wouldn't take much really (I'll watch it if I can skip every scene with Shia, his parents and that greasy girlfriend...), but I geeked out during the starscream and megatron scenes...my kids made cards for me with lovely coupons for hugs and icecream and housework, and I got a new houseplant (been a little hobby of mine lately...making the air cleaner in my house of stinky critters and children).
Eight years and three days ago was the aniversary of me escaping a very very bad two year "marriage" to a very unsavory "man", after he was arrested that morning, along with alot of my "friends" for running a theft ring (what it boiled down to were a bunch of highschool kids being lead by a charismatic but evil son of a bitch, to steal random stuff from the local university). He went to jail, I got out (after four years of court trials and four hours of county jail time my case was dismissed). Four days after his arrest and my relative freedom, I met my current husband and we just sorta fell into a relationship and have been together every since. We celebrate our aniversary on the day we met, and got married, finally, three years ago tomarrow.
Yay for eight years!

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PinkFearie — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:27:03 -0700

Warren you truely are a God of words and Pauls art is truely breath taking. Looking forward hugely now to next weeks episode. So much speculation and possible ways this could go. Damnit, a weeks too long.

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ruzkin — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:29:31 -0700

Holy shit, that is grim. Brutal work from you, Warren.

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Andre Navarro — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:35:06 -0700

Morning, Whitechapel. Eyes no focus so good yet need rinse out with caffiene magic go juice now. How's everyone else?

Recovering from a terrible month of poorly prescribed medications and family problems. Also, sleep pattern is completely fucked. So yeah, my mood has been less than stellar and very, very erratic, but stomps -- I mean, steps are being taken to solve this.

As for this episode, it's exceptional, in fact FreakAngels is being a tremendously pleasant read with phenomenal artwork. Keep it up, Warren, Paul and Ariana. And thanks for the awesome yet free reading material.

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Professor Imagine — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:40:09 -0700

without reading any of this thread, my first overwhelming gut reaction:

OH MY FUCKING GOD!

literally. Crazy Kait indeed. (I promised nothing.)

edited for typo

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BellaInara — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:15:06 -0700

I can't say that I am really that shocked by SIrkka's actions or Kait's secret. Both seems to fall into line with how they have been presented. And we've seen them fix situations by messing with a mind (Alice).

Also, did anyone else notice that with the exception of Karl (Tower) and Jack (Boat), all FA's are accounted for? This made for two interesting twitches in my head.

Where is Luke? He is not pictured in the final reveal. Who is watching him at the moment that everyone is finding a place to keep watch of him.

Alice is not present. Is she watching him? If he comes around long enough to get into her head, do you think he will escape? Also, Alice is not included in the reveal, so honorary FA or not, there are still things that are being kept from her.

Paul, as usual, stunning art. You really get my envy gene going.
Warren is still showing himself to be a stunning story teller.

I'm off to make my mother-in-law's birthday cake. Which is a scary amount of pressure.

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steevo — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:38:16 -0700

Sometimes a muthafucka gotta get tortured.

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UrbanAngel — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:38:46 -0700

As far as I can recall, Luke is lying unconscious and semi-naked.

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mister hex — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:44:09 -0700

@ Michael Furious -

It also renders their best witness to this useless.

Doubtful the poor girl could testify to much, anyway.

Sirkka "reset her sense memory". So she wouldn't get weird feelings and nightmares and stuff. Smell something familiar and it all comes drifting back.

Interesting point, about caging an 'angel. Although, he'll have Kait to keep him company. She's one of the ones who hasn't hit him yet. I'm sure she'll make up for lost time.

And I'm not condoning police brutality. But it's a fact of life, even in a flooded world. (Especially and especially since Kait is the Lone Ranger and she doesn't appear to have a Tonto. Sure, she can call in the Cavalry, Artillery, even but she stalks the streets alone.)

Next episode? Will probably be one of Warren's patented violence scenes, like Fred Christ and the Chair Leg of Truth of Michael Jones taking out Filthy's flunky. (I hope!)

My only complaint is that it's only six pages. *ducks flying arse eels*

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hypnoreagan — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:44:50 -0700

Saw the pool reveal, got the little "whoa" moment, but I wasn't too fazed.

...Then I saw the bloody claw marks trying to get up the ramp.

Jesus, Paul, you outdo yourself weekly.

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frexels — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:51:12 -0700

What the fuck, Kait?! I'm really, really hoping her worry is from guilt rather than worry that the others are going to punish her. Because I felt kind of ill looking at the last panel; Arkady and KK had me expecting some sort of whacky hijinx. Not the Whitechapel Gitmo.

Now we've got the problem. If Kait just hijacked her prisoners' brains, went through them, and found out everything she needed to know, she wouldn't need the swimming pool of death. Unless this is some sort of punishment instead of interrogation, but I was kind of hoping that the public knew what's done to criminals, they don't just disappear. So, if the angels allowed Kait to quietly dig up some confessions, info to keep the public safe, and cover her tracks afterward, they'd be breaking their own rule, but sparing some physical pain/psychological torture. Would it have been better if she'd done a massive privacy invasion?

Kait vs Luke, battle to the death.

Last thing, anyone else worried about how Luke breaking the Big Rule wasn't a crime to her?

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Val A Lindsay II — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:52:56 -0700

Page 6, of course. It's not just the specifics of it. You know; the blood, the chains? It's the atmosphere of the whole thing. How did you make that image, Paul? I've got ideas, but for a simple square pool it is definitely one of the most complex images you've rendered...

Well, I think I'm going to have to vacate Oregon if a job does not appear within the next 3 weeks. Which is too bad for me, of course. This place has a lot of creative types and is just a great community. *sigh* If I have to leave I will be very, very sad. :(

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Ebony14 — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:53:56 -0700

Excellent reveal. Can't say I'm terribly surprised, and you know that neither Kait or Sirkka think that they're doing anything wrong.

Something did occur to me: Kait can resurrect the dead, although those with massive tissue trauma clearly give her difficulty. What's the tricky bit about torture? Keeping the subject alive while you work him or her over.

Any bets on Kait's tactics for information retrieval?

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stsparky — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:55:41 -0700

Of course Kait has her a Wilkinson Sword Dartmoor Survival Knife.

I won't call her bonkers until we find out she's really kept people there.

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DavidForbes — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:15:27 -0700

Excellent episode.

At this point though, part of me thinks the Big Reveal will be that the Freakangels are really the villains in the whole drama.

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chickenhound — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:38:25 -0700

I registered just now so I could say how impressed I am with Paul's art this episode. Some of those angles absolutely blow me away (Sirrka's cleavage shot on page 2 especially, and Alice in particular in the bottom panel on page 3). The pool of torture on page 6 is an awesome image, and the water effects are a great touch. Very reminiscent of Silent Hill, I love it.

Much thanks to Paul and Warren for bringing us another excellent Freakangel Friday.

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Winther — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:42:31 -0700

I read this episode on my brand spanking new 23" Samsung widescreen. Finally got rid of the old 21" CRT monster that took up most of my desk, and was nearly heavy enough to throw the Earth out of its orbit. This new one... it's wide. My gawd, it's wide. I know it's this whole "It's actually 16:9, as opposed to 16:10" thing, but... wow. It's... really wide. Takes some getting used to.
The screen is the first step in giving my computer a gigantic encouraging kick in the ass. I get the last of the parts tomorrow. Basically everything but the DVD and hard drive gets changed. Which is nice, because I basically haven't been able to play any new computer games (barring the usually more technically forgiving indie titles) for going on a year now.

Well, until now, the 'Angels have said that Kait's the really crazy one, but we hadn't really seen anything to prove it. Sure, she was... driven... but nothing really put her off the scales. Then this. You know, somehow her childish attitude about their reaction wigs me out even more than the actual... place. "But you promised you wouldn't freak!" That's what you say to your parents after they yell at you for denting their car, not when you've constructed a fucking mini-Gitmo. It's not shame, it's not even a justification or rationalization, it's annoyance that she just knew they were going to react this way, and it's totally unfair. And that attitude scares me in a person with many guns and chains at the bottom of empty swimming pools.

And Sirkka's actions would be less creepy for me if it didn't seem to be so obviously for their own benefit, to keep a low profile, instead of an honest, if heavy-handed, attempt to try and help a victim of a horrible crime. Bullshit indeed.

Shades of grey. But getting darker.

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Nebish — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:06:36 -0700

Nothing good can possibly come out of that swimming pool. This is going to get really ugly.

Can't wait.

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pi8you — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:13:30 -0700

Is it bad that the first thing that came to mind with page 6 was the dog pit in Snatch? Do they really shape pools like that over there?

@Winther - Hooray for huge widescreen monitors :D

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rickiep00h — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:18:39 -0700

I don't think it's a pool. It's got a door on the bottom, rails around the top that appear to be just as old as the rest of the building, and it appears to ramp up to level ground. I don't know what it is, but I don't think it's a pool.

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Alastair — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:22:26 -0700

something zooey?

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Indigo Rose — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:23:18 -0700

hmm... where to begin? For starters, excellent work gentlemen, thank you.

I can't say I'm suprised that "justice" in this setting is heavy handed at best. In a "post-apocalypse" setting, refugees surviving in a damaged world, that surival may depend upon removing the internal threats before they tear everything apart. So, this might not come as a suprise in the setting, if it weren't for the FreakAngel aspect. Kait being a FreakAngel would make it seem uneccesary to use such methods. With the ability to read minds, interrogation seems a waste of time and immoral at least. The only people she wouldn't be able to read would be those tampered with by another 'Angel, right? But if Alice was the first to be sent after them by Mark (as gathered from Connor and KK's conversation in the second episode), there shouldn't have been a need. And if it's just a place to hold them, there shouldn't be so much blood. A little, from a struggle or their own crimes, sure, but not like that. The things written on the walls indicate incarceration, (not neccesarily anything more than that) since they have to have time to write them and the desperation in them could just be from having been caught, or even witnessing some FA power. But there's all the blood. It all boils down to "Why would she need to torture information out of someone?" but the answer is, "She wouldn't" unless there are some mighty interesting circumstances. Not a lot of hope for that space being like that when she found it either.

Oh Sirkka... What is the best course of action in that situation? Is it better to not have the horrific memories (which she may not have anyway, since she was brainwashed by Luke), even if it means someone messing with your mind? The question is whether or not she was aware of his activities while under his mental control. And it does seem like it could just be the most convenient way, since it keeps their secret, but maybe not the most ethical way. I still want to know if she would have simply remembered talking with Luke, maybe walking down the alley with him, then nothing until snapped out of it... or if she would remember being unable to control herself and everything that followed. I want to give Sirkka the benefit of doubt, but it's such a delicate situation.

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rickiep00h — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:31:24 -0700

I'm going to take this, as it is now, as a morals argument. As frexels alluded to upthread, what wins out? The Freakangels have a very strict rule about not messing with people's heads. So, rather than break that rule, Kait is forced to break some other rules. Which is better? *pulls up chair*

Let's find out.

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The Hypno Bedhead — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:35:02 -0700

I have to remember not to read Freakangels at work. Last week's "Live Nude Luke" in particular made me do a mad dash to close the window before my boss turned the corner to chat.

That said.

Wow, Whitechapel looked rather idyllic at the beginning of the series, didn't it? After looking at that pool, all I can say is, "Welcome to the flip side."

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Indigo Rose — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:45:57 -0700

@rickie

I'll join in that discussion, though I'm sure (in a less civil place than this) it could prompt heated argument. I love this place.

I think it depends on the individual circumstance, but how do you regulate that then? Connor used his powers on Alice to protect himself and to try to help her, who's to say it's that different to read a suspected (or confirmed) criminal's mind rather than torturing them? Wouldn't she be trying to protect herself (or Whitechapel) and, by way of not using torture, trying to help the person in question? Clearly that's not what she's done here, but could the "no mental tampering" rule really be her excuse for using torture to gather information instead? If it is, they need some clarification on that rule.

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LBA — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:58:31 -0700

everytime I look at page 6 I see new details. Is that a little pool of water at the bottom?

As far as the unbreakable rule, I thought it was they couldn't control people/force them to do something against their will, if I'm wrong (and it is a good chance I am) someone correct me.

I would think that this does not preclude Kait from reading minds to find out what they did, when they did it and to whom, which would indicate to me that Kait's pool of torture and death is less about extracting information and more about punishment.

Also remember people, this is the end of the world and a lot of weird shit has gone down. That doesn't make torture right or anything but societies rules and society in general has broken down, and it looks like Kait has had no problems with that at all.

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doclivingston — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:18:50 -0700

I would think that this does not preclude Kait from reading minds to find out what they did, when they did it and to whom, which would indicate to me that Kait's pool of torture and death is less about extracting information and more about punishment.

See, that's why I took it to be less about anything else and more about how she wants to have a bit of disturbing fun playing at Interrogator. If it's about punishment, why wouldn't the other 'Angels be involved? She clearly kept the area a secret from the others, and described it as a place she needed to take people to talk to them. It seems fairly clear this is her little torture-pen for extracting information.

As far as the rules about using their powers on people, outside a few bad apples, I think there's been a pretty consistent observance of the harm principle and standard application of eminent domain going on. To me, the rape victim is getting scrubbed from possibly suffering trauma AND having any chance of unraveling the truth about their powers, which I think they've decided would be best kept secret. I think that's understandable and justifiable. Meaning Kait NOT using her powers to non-violently extract information (in fact she seems to go about it in a pointedly violent fashion) is not so justifiable.

And, of course, using their powers to get balls-deep, also not so justifiable.

ETA: out of curiosity, on page 6, are those scribbles between "I DON'T WANT TO DIE" and "LET ME OUT" actual words I can't make out, or just scribbles? And is that an arm hanging from a chain on the left there?

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rickiep00h — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:21:50 -0700

LBA: It's not that they can't do it, it's that they're not supposed to.

And I think it's very interesting that Kait, for being so gung-ho on justice and order, seems to bend the rules where she sees fit in the pursuit of such. And Kait may well have problems with it. Being the loner she seems to be, I don't think she'd be too keen on asking for help with things like "Can someone help me with the best way to get some info out of this guy without nuking his brains or breaking his little finger?" Whether it's an individuality thing or an ego trip (or fetish, or whatever), I don't know. But Kait's been slowly getting more and more complex. Not just fucking mental, but complex.

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diello — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:24:45 -0700

Woah... I REALLY slept in today.

At first I was with Alice on this one... wiping that girl's memory of what happened to her was kind of a messed up thing to do... I mean, shouldn't she get checked out, doctor-wise after that? But then I realized, that if she'd found out what he'd done, she would have found out about the FreakAngels...
Also, why didn't she wonder why she went for a walk with a guy wearing NO PANTS?

Also, KAIT! You have a fucking swiming pool Vincent Price could be jealous of! Seriously... I think the FAs are going to soon learn just how different their morals are from each other very soon. This also makes me think that Kait really COULD be the Whitechapel murderer... looks like she NEEDS the excitement.

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cjtremlett — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:26:41 -0700

Reading minds isn't the unbreakable rule. Taking over/controlling them is.

Where's Miki? She's not at the torture pit reveal. Neither is Jack, but he's probably out somewhere on his boat.

As far as I can tell, they don't pick up on routine uses of power. Reading minds seems to be something they take for granted - like when Miki was convincing the rest out at Shoreditch Park. Miki uses power in her every-day work, and so do a lot of the others, I'll bet. We know Arkady spends a lot of time working with hers. They also seem to be somewhat connected in each others' minds all the time, enough so that one of them shutting the others out is unusual, and that Karl puts on the tinfoil to avoid picking up on the others having sex. So they're either not picking up on "normal" uses of the powers, or they're just ignoring them as routine. But messing with someone's mind puts out something different, that Sirkka picks up on. Arkady does too, from her confrontation with Luke over Janine, but she either didn't pick up on it this time, or she knew the others were going to stop it.

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E0157H7 — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:54:29 -0700

I'm liking Kait more and more.

"Who's that?"
"That's Luke. We had to bounce his head off the concrete because he was being a prick."

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Chris M Ferguson — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:02:26 -0700

Man, this board is lighting up.

Yeah, what a great episode. That was genuinely scary and exciting. Not much to add; just wish ep. 61 would come sooner...!

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frexels — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:08:26 -0700

One of them stated the rule as something like "the gang stays out of all the citizens heads". I thought that it was a privacy thing; they have no real right to paw through people's thoughts and take things they don't other people to know. Luke, being the egomaniac he is, has no respect for other people's thoughts or bodies, so he doesn't acknowledge the rule as having any merit.

Connor went into Alice's head, and she got the glowy purple eyes The people at Shoreditch didn't. I'm guessing the difference is the Connor went deep (we saw him pulling up report cards, crayon drawings and family pictures), but the refugees thoughts were on the top of their minds. They were concerned about their survival and how the infiltration was going, so those were what the Angels picked up on. From Alice's reaction, Connor digging through her head was a big deal. I'm assuming the gun to the head and Mark's manipulation were extenuating circumstances.

But if Connor can poke Alice's head and make a case that there was immediate danger, why the hell isn't Kait trying for a similar argument? "They did something wrong, I need to find out what so no one else gets hurt?" It seems like they others (or at least a significant portion-KK, Connor, Kirk, Karl, and Luke almost for sure) would agree to Kait taking a peak in extreme circumstances. It's looking like Kait skipped straight to torture without even considering the alternative. And, like I said earlier, if she's not really concerned that psychic interference isn't a crime, why jump to a dungeon?

Plus, this isn't a punishment zone. It's where she takes them to "talk," but judging by the lack of anything but fingernails to carve those messages in, she leaves them there for quite awhile (unless she wrote them herself to psych the visitors out). Even if it IS a mini-prison, the other FAs obviously didn't know it was there, which means Kait was administering justice without the others knowing. And if the others put Kait in charge of prison and didn't check up on her, they fucked up. KK, Miki, and Connor all think she's a little touched in the head, at least. You do NOT put a person like that in charge of punishment without some sort of supervision.

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diello — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:31:44 -0700

Oh, I forgot one thing:
@Warren: I love you (as per your request via BAD SIGNAL)
@Paul: I love you, too.
@Ariana: Don't tell the others, but I love you most.

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Indigo Rose — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:36:48 -0700

I guess the only thing we need to know is whether or not she's actually torturing people. We all seem to agree that she shouldn't be, since she can read thoughts and it would be justified. Right now it looks like she does torture, but we'll have to see what happens next Friday to be sure.

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JaredRules — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:39:26 -0700

that last panel was awesome.

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LBA — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:42:15 -0700

are we sure it's "torture" and not "punishment"

I know that the means may be the same but the ends are different

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steevo — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:48:04 -0700

@LBA - What? Are you saying that torture is worse? At least with torture you have a way to make it stop.

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doclivingston — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:52:36 -0700

are we sure it's "torture" and not "punishment"

Kait herself describes it as the place she takes suspects to talk to. And either way, she's keeping it secret from the others. I've yet to see an indication that Kait was chosen as the sole judge to mete out punishment, and even if she was, why would her little punishment pit be such a shock to the others?

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frexels — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:53:45 -0700

@ LBA She said that she takes them there to "talk them." I assume that means "make them talk," but it could be "talk to them about what they did wrong and the consequences about to be inflicted." I think the prospect of it being for punishment is a bit worse, but both look pretty bad.

EDIT- @ doclivingston- That's pretty much the reason I'm worried it's for punishment. If they really shouldn't be surprised that she's punishing people, why wouldn't they have checked up on her?

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Professor Imagine — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:59:14 -0700

yes... that is a few inches of water at the bottom. tho I don't think it's an arm on the left. some type of harness, perhaps, but not an arm.

on Sirkka: the key word here is "throroughly" "I'm cleaning you very thoroughly." let's not forget Sirkka's role in Whitechapel: Mind/Body/Soul. As Conner said in Volume 2, when he was giving Alice the recap on the various 'Angels: Sirkka is attempting to execute a uptopian vision here, to reinvent humanity. She's a healer. I think you're all focusing too much on the mental fudgery here. I picture her actually healing and removing any physical trace of the event as well, and certainly with the victim's best interests in mind. what rape victim wouldn't prefer the entire event physically and psychically erased?

on Kait: in digging for the wording from Connor on the recap, I stumbled upon a possible clue from Kait's first appearance (Ep 32, p 2 panel one.) Du-dun-DUNH!

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warrenellis — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:53:14 -0700

I picture her actually healing and removing any physical trace of the event as well,

Yes.

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frexels — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:16:12 -0700

Huh. If they can heal physical damage, could some of Miki's medicines be placebos? Doesn't explain why she looked so worried about her dwindling supplies recently, but it does explain why her first patient (the little girl) was immediately better.

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Indigo Rose — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:19:04 -0700

Thank you Warren.

Re: Kait and the "clue" - I still don't buy into the idea that she killed that guy. We saw her try to get information from the corpse. At the time there was nobody else around, so she wasn't doing it just for show. Besides, if she ws going to kill him, why not take him to this lovely little area that was just revealed. No, she's not the Jack the Ripper copy-cat, in my mind, unless her motive for killing the guy was to try to hone her ability to "read" corpses with her powers.... ? But that seems unlikely, since it would yield no information she didn't already know and not be a good test.

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Indigo Rose — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:20:36 -0700

@frexels - I would assume there are some limits (even if it's only because they haven't pushed themselves as far as Arkady), and that some of Miki's patients get healed, others get medicine, depending on the situation.

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DavidForbes — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:28:41 -0700

Thing is, torture's horrifically ineffective for extracting useful information and doubly unnecessary when you have mind-reading powers. Rules or no, I don't see Kait stinting from using those abilities if it would ferret out the specter of crime.

Based on the personality she's shown so far, I'm going with the "punishment pit" theory. The "talk them" part probably being the excuse she gave the others (and they accepted without asking too many questions).

On a related note, without the manpower or organization to maintain anything like a long-term prison, the Freakangels are right back to the methods ancient societies used to punish/deter crime: exile, death, maiming or fines.

We've seen examples of the first two so far, and the last wouldn't seem very useful because no one has much to take. So that leaves the third...

Also, it seems to be an area where the Freakangels' own clannishness clashes with their position as the ruling gang of Whitechapel. Mark's turning people into puppets and he gets exiled. Random pleb commits a crime and they get three rounds in manacles with Kait the Crime-crusher? I can see that causing some resentment.

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Gilgurth — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:46:41 -0700

Wow. We start off with a 'if a tree falls in the woods, did it really happen' mixed metaphor moment, and end up in the 'This is what happens if you get your idea of justice from Judge Dredd/2000AD 'after the fall' mentality'.

I don't think chains will hold Luke, nor do I think they're going to babysit him 24-7 for some 'sentence'. This is going to be fairly fast and nasty if it's punishment, and rehabilitation seems to not be possible.

As horrified as the rest of them are, they seem to let each of them have their domain, and unless they want to take the task over, what are they going to do? Fight Kait over Luke? Do they even care that much?

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Tiresiae — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:22:03 -0700

All the stuff I was going to say about it, mainly regarding the non-necessity of a torture-pit, has already been said.

But someone asked what the scribbles between "I don't want to die" and "Let me out" were. I could be wrong but I THINK it says:
"please please please please
please please please
please please please please please
please please
please"

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mister hex — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:52:44 -0700

Kait can't read people's minds or else she'd give the game away. That all those purple-eyed motherfuckers who protect us are ... what? Psychic, like? See, I see it like this ...

You can't lie to Kait. She'll know. How? Who knows? Who cares? YOU CAN'T LIE TO HER. She'll KNOW. And she'll beat you if you lie to her. Won't kill you but she could. It's just you and her and you insist on lying to her, well ... what can ANYONE do?
The rest of them had no idea about this place. Kait kept it secret. Even from Arkady. (Kait always screens, as I believe has been established.) But I bet any bad egg in Whitechapel has at least heard rumours about it and knows not to cross Constable Kait. Or attract her attention. Face it, if they had no crime, Kait would be out of a job, yeah?

Kait also can't tip them off to the fact that FreakAngels can read people's minds.

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dorkmuffin — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:58:56 -0700

HOLY SHIT LAST PANEL PRETTY

[unintelligible gibberish]

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Berserker — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:20:31 -0700

A couple more thoughts:

Sirrka's 'cleaning up' the victim was obviously both charity and an immediate cover up of what happened. Really, would it help anything if she hadn't, and the girl had then walked out into the populace and told people that their 'saviors' were all psychic and oh by the way that one uses the ability to rape people?
If that got out they wouldn't be able to stay - and Whitechapel would fall apart in short order.

Also - Kait is obviously a nutter. It remains to be seen if she's a dangerous and unreliable nutter, but she's always had a drive to right what's wrong ( ala the flashback where she accidentally exploded the little birdie when she was a kid... ), probably to the point where she feels a little powerless. Ironic.
But:
There's an established history of bad ( or at least incredibly desperate ) people coming to Whitechapel to do bad things. In the past, it would have made sense to grab a few and interrogate them. So it's very likely not where she takes people to flog for jaywalking, as it is a place to work the enemy for tactical information?

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Indigo Rose — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:37:02 -0700

Question... have we seen Kait read thoughts? What if she actually cannot, not just for the purpose of keeping it a secret, but is incapable. Then she would be more likely to justify torturing criminls for info. We know the FreakAngels have slight variations in what they can do...

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Berserker — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:47:42 -0700

Uh...I'm also going to guess that's not a swimming pool on page six, but probably a part of the many flood-gates, locks, and pumping stations along the river.

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mister hex — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:49:32 -0700

@ Michael - If she works over a few jaywalkers (or other petty criminals), t'would serve as a deterrent, would it not? Without revealing that she could read minds. She's just Nasty, Crazy Kait (and she DOESN'T LIKE being called Crazy.), who'll beat you like a red-headed step-child if you step out of line. Remember when we all laughed when she said "Anyone who tries to hug me will be shot dead."? She weren't joking, mate.

@ Indigo Rose - What IF she can't read minds? (Seems a bit of a stretch but okay.) I tend to think SHE CAN. She screens herself almost constantly, to the other 'angels' dismay. Not because she doesn't want to hear about Crap Shagging (like Karl), because she has a Job To Do. Keeping people safe. From Bad People.

I found her reaction on the Mass Call quite interesting - "HE COMMITTED A CRIME?!?"

@ Pooka - Happy Anniversary!

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Tomosan — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:51:07 -0700

Everyone seems to be jumping to the conclusion that Kait is the one who tortured people there. What if she just found it that way, and used it more for the psychological tweak it would give anyone she brought there for questioning? In ep. 33, pg. 1, panel 4, Connor says that "Whitechapel wasn't always this quiet".

It just doesn't fit Kait's profile as a law and order nut to do something so... well, unlawfull.

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razrangel — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:24:20 -0700

Holy BALLs. No time for anything more than _WOW_. Will read through comments and add my own later.

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johnjones — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:35:28 -0700

I'm a little struck by the way some people seem to insist on dividing the Freakangels into "Good" and "Bad" camps.

To me, Sirkka isn't so much covering up or healing the damage of the rape. She's unmaking it. Sirkka is a Priestess of Relationships. Of Sex. Sex isn't a pastime or a toy to her. Sex is Sacred. Sex is Holy. Because sex is the only way that most humans can truly experience Mind, Body and Soul in a holistic way. Thus, rape is the vilest of crimes because it takes Sex and twists it into a tool of aggression and degradation. It isn't enough to heal such a crime. All its marks must be utterly obliteratered so that it will have no power over its victim. That, to me, is Sirkka's mindset. Though of course I could be wrong.

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mister hex — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:43:07 -0700

@ johnjones - I agree. "I've reset your sense memory." So you won't feel it tomorrow and go "why do my genitals hurt?".

Off-topic and this might come out of left-field but I think Jack and Sirkka might be brother and sister. (All together now - EEWW!)

There are hints. In earlier episodes. And I certainly wouldn't put it past Warren Ellis to come up with something like that.

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chris g — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:45:17 -0700

uh, WOW! the textures in page 6 are amazing. If it's cool with Paul, I think it would be cool to show a little behind the scenes of his work from b&w, to coloring/textures :)

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DavidLejeune — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:50:46 -0700

Thing is, torture's horrifically ineffective for extracting useful information and doubly unnecessary when you have mind-reading powers. Rules or no, I don't see Kait stinting from using those abilities if it would ferret out the specter of crime.

We know that, and sane people know that, but would a person who learned everything they know about law enforcement and justice from TV shows know that? Kait may see roughing up perps in an interrogation as a necessary part of the law enforcement process. And while she may be able to establish guilt to her own satisfaction by plucking the information out of their brains, she'd probably still want a written confession. Pressing their minds into confessing A. isn't a proper confession, and B. violates the 'don't run their brains' rule.

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BellaInara — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:35:00 -0700

@mister hex

Off-topic and this might come out of left-field but I think Jack and Sirkka might be brother and sister. (All together now - EEWW!)

There are hints. In earlier episodes. And I certainly wouldn't put it past Warren Ellis to come up with something like that.

Umm, no. First page of the comic states that 12 children were born at the same time This is a major part of them being FAs. Even twins have some time between the two, may be less than a minute, but there is time there.

I would also imagine that they were born in different parts of England. Because if 12 women went into labor and gave birth within one hospital (talk about a over-crowded/over-worked situation), then the group would have been notorious even before the powers started manifesting.

Anyways, I highly doubt that any of the FAs are related beyond the package.

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rickiep00h — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:54:23 -0700

@BellaInara - Well, I've always thought Kirk and 'Kady look pretty dang similar, but it might just be the bald heads and purple eyes.

@michael furious - I have no idea what such a building would look like on the inside, but your guess is plausible enough for me. I'll probably just call it Kait's Freaky Hellpit until I figure out just what the crap it is.

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johnjones — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:11:18 -0700

I would also imagine that they were born in different parts of England.

Episode 16, Page 4, Panel 2

Caz (In response to Jack's question "Because we all come from a flat little villiage in south-east England."

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mister hex — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:16:53 -0700

@ Bellalnara - Not so far-fetched. Jack's first appearance, Volume One, smoking a panatella and mentally communing with Sirkka, who can't sleep. "indulge me," she says. "I've been indulging you half my life," says Jack.

The cigar is "just like Dad used to smoke." (His Dad? Her Dad? Their Dad?)

"You're corrupting me with your vices again," she says. "Just like when we were fourteen."

He says " I didn't teach you a damn thing when we were fourteen and we both know it."

Not conclusive, certainly. But this IS Warren Ellis. And Sirkka is later described as "trying to re-invent human relationships." (maybe because she's in love with her brother?)

We only know Connor used to be a fat kid because KK's got a big mouth. And Kirk(?) turns into Mr. Octopus after three drinks.

It's Warren's world. We just visit.

EDIT TO ADD - One man could, conceivably, pun intended, impregnate two different women, so that the children were born at the same time. Or twelve women, for that matter.

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JfC — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:15:37 -0700

Um... Is the rape victim going to get some Emergency Contraceptive? If she doesn't remember the incident she won't seek it out. Actually, how does contraception work in a drowned world? 'Salvaged' condoms sound sketchy. How does Sirkka manage? The ol' pull n' pray doesn't seem like her style.

Edited to correct the excesses of prolonged consciousness

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diello — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:20:42 -0700

@JfC
What Warren Said 1 page ago

Also, like Caz said, they're succeeding themselves to death. It's the end of the world, so I don't think the civilians mind a little re-population. I'd imagine the FAs are their own form of selective birth control, too.

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Rootfireember — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:23:12 -0700

They had various forms of contraceptives before things were 'modern', so I'm sure they have *something*. Though the idea of the rape victim getting pregnant did cross my mind... unless the FreakAngels are infertile or only selectively fertile?
They seem to have a fair amount of sex going on, and no obvious spawn, so I'm going to guess with low childbirthrates/infertility, if not contraceptives of some sort.
edit"
The healing/removing physical traces;
would that apply to the unborn? Does a zygote or whatever count as an 'injury'?

Have the FA's been controlling to some degree the population of WC's reproductive abilities?

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shining_lion — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:32:11 -0700

JfC: Perhaps you can choose your words a bit better the next time? Regardless if you just referenced a rape scene, following the comment you made with the word you did was crass. I also noticed you just got here 17 minutes ago. Perhaps this'll serve you well: http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5&page=1

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JfC — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:36:51 -0700

That was careless...I've been awake for 36 hours and I honestly didn't make the connection. I sincerely and roundly apologized for any offense I might have caused. I'm a woman myself.

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shining_lion — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:23:31 -0700

JfC: Welcome to Whitechapel. Hopefully you'll be able to get some sleep soon, because I start hallucinating around 40 hours myself. And thanks for the apology--it didn't go unnoticed.

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oga — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:23:55 -0700

@Pooka

my hubs is a HUGE collector...he's bound to have about eight hundred figures now...all in the bedroom...all staring at us

I think that this deserves a photo. Please?

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TheSeer — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:42:39 -0700

First of all, I'm an old fan of Warren Ellis who recently found out about Freakangels. I expected awesome and I was still pleasantly surprised. I finished the archive in one sitting and went right back to the beginning to start again. Great writing, gorgeous art, for free. Thank you.

Second, there's been a lot of discussion as to why a telepath needs a torture chamber, which strikes me as a very good question. But maybe we're missing something. Kait is very neat and efficient in her violence, I've noticed, and anyway heavy bleeding is contraindicated in torture - the victim tends to pass out before answering. But we know that Kait's secret necromancy technique can be messy. What if the purpose of this hole is not to torture the living, but to interrogate the dead? Is it possible that Kaitlyn shoots first, and asks questions later?

(If she also sometimes needs to chain live people up where they can see the ominous bloodstains, I think she'd see this as an added benefit.)

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Ken Kreisel — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:02:18 -0700

Maybe the "new cave" is actually where the FreakAngels where put before. I believe there are roughly the same # of chain supports on the wall and floor as there are FA's standing there. But then again it could be Kait's secret jail she's using to interrogate the new White Chappel Ripper suspects.
I also loved the fact that Alice (the only none FA) is discontent with Sirkka wiping the victim's mind of the event without consent. I mean the question is was it ethical?

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Purple Wyrm — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:57:12 -0700

Maybe the pit is where Kait also interrogates the victims? After all, raising the dead is not something she'd want the ordinary inhabitants of Whitechapel to see. And as noted by TheSeer it seems to be a somewhat messy process.

I also just noticed the contrast between the first and last panels of the episode. Starts with Sirkka being gentle and caring - ends with a torture chamber. Nice!

Also - is that a missing "to" in Kait's dialogue on page 5 panel 2 (I have to be able to talk them)? Or is she being colloquial in some way?

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Professor Imagine — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:24:32 -0700

yeah... yeah... like "talk them" means "make them talk" as in "animate the dead"

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doclivingston — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:37:58 -0700

It could also be her practice pit. She did say she needed to work on that particular skill, maybe this is where she works the kinks out, trying to fine tune it so the meatsacs stop going all 'splodey on her.

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Kosmopolit — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:19:06 -0700

As others have said, there's no way to run a prison in Whitechapel - especially not when Kait's doing it singlehanded whiel also beign the one-woman police force.

So, my theory is Kait's been administering some pretty vicious beatings followed by a few days in chains as her preferred form of punishment.

Just as the other Freak Angels ignored the refugees outside Whitechapel, I think they simply left Kait to keep the peace inside Whitechapel. If they'd cared to inquire, it would have been pretty easy to find out what was going on - but they were all tied up with the personal obsessions.

The attack on the Freakcave, woke them up to the people starving and dying of typhoid outside of Whitechapel. Now they're being schooled on how order has been kept inside Whitechapel.

In effect I think they're having to rebuild the social order bit by bit.

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Paul Duffield — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:55:25 -0700

@Tiresiae
It does indeed say 'please' over and over again. There are a few 'oh god's at the beginning too. There's also a 'Help' written in blood behind the rope on the wall, and one more message I put in for personal amusement. I don't think you'll be able to see that until print though, and even them it'll be nearly impossible.

Thanks all for the compliments on this week's ep! :)

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BellaInara — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:45:38 -0700

@Paul

Well, you deserve every single one.

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Val A Lindsay II — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:14:46 -0700

Ok, just re-read this week's episode; The little statement that Kait makes? "You promised. You bastards promised!!"

It strikes me Kait is like an over-the-top Jack Bauer crossed with the emotional mindset of a 8 year old girl throwing a tantrum. She's not crazy, per se. The circumstances of the current state of society along with probably same hubris that Luke possesses are what shapes her. She's probably 'order' versus Luke's 'chaos'...

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Finagle — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:39:01 -0700

I don't see any evidence that Kait's interrogation space is actually of her making. She said she takes people there to talk to them - interrogation is all about theater, so it would make sense if it softened up the person being interrogated to just see all that shit. Or better, wake up mysteriously in the morning, blindfolded and in the chains, only to have Kait slowly remove the blindfold, letting them blink and take in the surroundings...

Yeah. Not at all sure that this is just a blunt statement that, "Whoa, Kait tortures people." This being Mr. Ellis, I suspect things more insidious and mental.

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mybrainhurts — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:59:39 -0700

@Paul: Is there something on the left wall right next to the chains? Or am I just succumbing to apophenia?

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daffyd_morris — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:02:37 -0700

first off, i loved this ep! brilliant reveal. personaly i think that kait is using theatrics to try and 'convince' people to tell the truth, but the theory of it being a practice area for her special ability also sounds convincing.

also, if im not mistaken, theres a door on the right hand side, down by the back of 'the pit'. if its a swimming pool, why would there be a door? if it is a door, where does it go to?

next point, the bloody finger marks by the ramp. they look like they belong to someone who was dragged down into 'the pit'. is this for the theatrical effect or was there someone dragged down there (my sub-theory involves kait resurection someone who becomes zombified and eats someone who tries to get away, but thats probs casue ive just watched the resident evil films and read the books of the games.)

last observation, its probably just the concrete degrading etc, but it looks almost like bullet holes at what would be roughly waist height on the walls. crazy kait having a little target practice? who knows.

-Peace out

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Graizur — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:26:06 -0700

I wanted to read all the posts to see if it was hit upon.

Just because your first instinct about me is creepy doesn't mean you don't ask me to tie you up later.

And as slimy as that makes me sounds and as much as you wish it wasn't true, we still did what we did and you still asked me to do it.

I had really wished to get a difinitive answer to the question "Did the ahn-jeh-noo ask for a mind bugger?"

And I find it funny that the free sex freakangel, the anti-rape freakangel was so quick to erase a memory. I wish that at least there were word bubbles with an explaination "I see in your mind that you didn't consent" or something.

"Daddy how did you and mommy meet?"
-"I entered her mind and took control and she's been thanking me ever since"

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Dee_Noir — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:35:08 -0700

I always suspected that Kait was a complete nutter. Now we know for sure. I'm sure she'll have some excuse:

'These were bad people. They deserved what they got.' etc, etc,

Just another example of the FAs being hypocritical bullshitters. I don't think it's a case of seeing them unambivalently as 'good' or 'bad', but rather as crazy, immature, ammoral, more ammoral and then just downright psychotic.

Loved the art this week, amazing p6. Pretty good for a comic book, which as we all know, are for little kids and teenagers and not real 'Literature' :P

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Quixotess — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:30:03 -0700

I dunno y'all, people in here were speculating that Luke wasn't *actually* raping the woman, two episodes ago. Now people in here are trying to find reasons why Kait wasn't *actually* torturing citizens in the pool. It's okay to accept the cues the author and the artist are giving you, you know. This isn't real life; everything you are seeing is there for a purpose. Remember that story (that's plot, characters, setting and theme) is what's happening here. Therefore, to create far-fetched explanations that may be possible but which jar with the story is--well, it would be good in a court of law, but it's silly here. Trust the authors; enjoy the ride.

@anyone who was characterizing Sirkka's actions as healing/merciful/kind: I think that's crap. "what rape victim wouldn't want to forget?" Maybe some wouldn't. It's true that there are flashbacks and triggers and nightmares and pain that never fully goes away and anger and fear--it changes your life. But some people wouldn't want the lie. It happened; let me know it. In any case, it's not relevant whether many rape victims would want the memory and pain gone. It's relevant whether *this* rape victim would. They should have asked her. It would be easy enough to explain the mind powers and wipe that knowledge after she made her decision.

I can't think much more horrible than the idea that something terrible happened to me, and everyone who knew about it hid it from me and denied that it ever happened. That is not merciful. That is paternalism.

What Sirkka is doing is expedient for the Freakangels. It may even be good for the woman. But it is not done *for* the woman or with the woman's best interests at heart. Alice is right to call it bullshit; and Caz, a relatively inoffensive freakangel, shows the true colors of the lot by blowing her off.

Oh, and Kait is fucking mental.

The freakangels are villainous. I'm pretty much rooting just for Alice at this piont.

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doclivingston — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:47:46 -0700

It's okay to accept the cues the author and the artist are giving you, you know

Exactly my response to the sort of back-bending explanations people have thrown around. If they're trying to pull us for a loop, then just let it happen when it happens. Meanwhile, just take the damn story as it's being told.

As for Sirkka and the rape victim... that utterly blank stare with the glowy eyes gave me the impression that during the actual rape, she wasn't experiencing anything she'd remember anyway. I wonder if she was so switched off by Luke that it'd be impossible to let her remember anyway.

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Purple Wyrm — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:32:02 -0700

@Quixotess - Therefore, to create far-fetched explanations that may be possible but which jar with the story is--well, it would be good in a court of law, but it's silly here. Trust the authors; enjoy the ride.

To me at least sitting around coming up far fetched explanations is half the fun. Pitching guesses back and forth on where Warren is taking the story fills in the seven days between episodes and goes some way towards satisfying the 'more! MORE!' urge at the end of page 6. Then when a new episode breaks and we're all completely wrong, the ride is twice as entertaining.

We do trust the authors, we just like trying to second guess them while we wait.

That's my take on it anyway :)

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Tanuki — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:56:12 -0700

Just a note on the handprints and things in the pit, I don't think most of the mess is blood. It doesn't look like Kait supplies her fun-room with a bucket.

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Kosmopolit — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:12:42 -0700

It's a mix of both. You don't get splatter patterns like that from shit unless there's some really nasty new form of explosive diarrhea in the future or Kait has a bowel disruptor.

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daffyd_morris — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:54:55 -0700

... bowel..disruptor...??? :O

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Kosmopolit — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:10:08 -0700

Spider's weapon of choice for most of the series is a handheld "bowel disruptor," which causes instant and painful loss of bowel control, with various settings that allow him to vary the level of pain and discomfort the device will inflict, ranging from simple diarrhea to complete rectal prolapse. At a much harsher level, the victim has a bowel movement so dramatic and agonizing that it induces unconsciousness. While at least three times in the series, it is revealed through dialogue that the gun can be set to 'Fatal Intestinal Maelstrom'. Spider prefers this weapon because, despite being illegal, it is (usually) non-lethal and its effects are untraceable. His assistants, Channon and Yelena, have also been armed with bowel disruptors during The Cure arc.

link

If you haven't read Transmet stop whatever you're doing and go buy it.

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Quixotess — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:57:59 -0700

*shrug* Transmet isn't a lot like Freakangels; just because you like Freakangels doesn't mean you'd like Transmet. I know it's a lot of people's favorite comic, of course. But there's also a big difference between things you'll partake in when they are free, as webcomics are, and things you will partake in when they are expensive, as graphic novels are.

@purplewyrm: I suppose it doesn't make a lot of sense to me when it's just as easy to make plausible speculations. I'm not saying "don't speculate"; I'm saying "don't make up explanations that go against the story." Constructing theories that you know are wrong is not an activity whose purpose I easily grasp. Still, if you enjoy it (I guess many people do, given how popular Lost is) there's nothing wrong with that, you're absolutely right.

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mister hex — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:40:54 -0700

@ Quixotess - I don't think anybody "constructs theories they know to be wrong." I think people speculate without all the facts and as facts are slowly revealed, these speculations are either proved way off, bang on or somewhere in between. It's a testament to Warren and Paul's incredible work that so many people care so deeply what happens and which way the stoy's turning.

As for Transmet, it's obviously quite different that Freakangels but this is Warren's board and maybe some people haven't read it. (They really should. It's fucking awesome.) In fact, other than OCEAN and ORBITER and MINISTRY OF SPACE, which are thematically linked, the vast majority of Warren's work is quite unique, in terms of subject matter. (My favorite is SCARS. But that's just me.)

Freakangels is available in collected editions that are quite affordable, adorable, collectible and invaluable to every good human. Also, there's merch like bags and tees and stuff. Warren, Paul, Ariana and Mr Christensen all have to make money off this, somehow. Sure, Warren loves us but nobody loves anybody that much.

I was thinking about tea in Whitechapel. Obviously, they have it (enough to make wine out of) but ... do they still have any left? I bet most people there haven't had a nice cup of tea in a looong time. This would be important to British people, yeah? Look at how excited they were about the chikkenz!

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johnjones — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:21:21 -0700

Re: Sirkka's erasure of the girl's experience.

Wow, we got some judgmental folks on that one, huh?

My take is that Sirkka did not do the right thing in that moment. She simply did the least wrong thing.

But maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe there was another path for her to take. So let's decision-tree this motherfucker for a bit and check it out, shall we?

Okay, so instead of wiping the girl's mind (and body and spirit) of the rape, they give her only conventional care and she keeps the knowledge of what has occurred.

So the 'angels have a new decision to make. Do they work to keep their secret or let things fall as they will? If they choose to keep the secret that means killing the girl or at least inducing her to keep silent, probably through intimidation of some sort. Scaring (or killing) the rape victim seems kind of wrong to me.

So, let's say the 'angels simply decide to "come out" or just let things go. Suddenly Whitechapel realizes that the odd pale, purple-eyed kids who've been so helpful are actually inhuman freaks with terrifying powers. Assuming that the Freakangels are willing to leave and use their abilities only to defend themselves, that means that Whitechapel is now without its defenders, doctors, engineers, etc. Oh, and recall that Whitechapel has just taken in another hundred people who are sick and injuried. Figure without the 'angels, people will be dying there very very soon. Which also seems wrong.

Of course, that's only if Whitechapel wants them to leave, what if they want them to stay? To stay and rule, actually? At that point the 'angels have overt power in Whitechapel. Some folks might even see them as Angels and pray to them. So, instead of a demi-cooperative community, Whitechapel would become a quasi-feudal theocracy ruled absolutely by "divine right." You think current religious rule is bad. Think it much it'd suck to have the "gods" right there with you. Seems really, really wrong to me.

This isn't an exhaustive list of possibilities by any means, but I think we have a view of the consequences of different decisions.

So there it is, and looking the various paths over, I stand with my statement that Sirkka chose the least wrong path. Sometimes there is no right path, just like in real life.

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daffyd_morris — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:32:49 -0700

@johnjones

hmmm, makes sense. i too agree that what she did was wrong, but i hadnt considered that it was the least wrong thing.

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mister hex — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:06:52 -0700

What Sirkka did was not wrong but not quite right. Compassionate and yet expedient. Now the Freakangels are in Battle Mode. Judgement Mode.

As for Kait ... she's been described as crazy from the start.

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mocha — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:17:46 -0700

re: sirkka wiping the girl's mind

If she didn't know what was happening to her, as hypothesized by some, then why was there any need to wipe her mind at all? If they're just "being careful", they should have figured out exactly what she knew and didn't know and determined a course of action based upon this information.

If she knew what was happening, as also hypothesized, it's still wrong to take that experience away from someone without their consent. As Quixotess said, it's no cake walk being a rape victim will all the flashbacks, panic attacks, trust issues, nightmares, etc. but taking the memory away from someone without their consent is like raping them all over again--you've ignored what they actually want for your own selfish reasons. It is not compassionate. It is not "nice".
Most rape victims are incredibly silent about the whole ordeal. I doubt she would've gone screaming through the streets telling everyone what had happened to her and what the 'angels were capable of. At that point after being attacked, you generally seek comfort from those who you know and trust or you hole up and never speak about it to anyone (at least for an extremely long time...years, if at all). It is far more compassionate to let the victim take in what happened and express whether or not they want the memory erased.

After thinking about it more, this is the best course of action I can come to (this would've looked much better as a flow chart):
1. Assess whether or not the victim was aware of what happened to her. (if no, then you have nothing to worry about other than some possible bumps and bruises)
2. If she was aware, assess what she does and doesn't know (such as, does she know what the 'angels are capable of?)
3. Attend to any other medical issues she may have (possible tearing, etc.)
4. Let her know that none of it was her fault and that her assailant will be brought to justice. Give her the opportunity to knee him and/or castrate him, if you're so inclined.
5. Ask if she wants to forget what happened. If yes, then go ahead and erase that memory. If no, then don't. Offer her anything else she needs.
6. If she does know what the 'angels are capable of, there are options, such as letting her know the outcomes of what would happen if she told people, giving her a job where they can keep watch over her, etc.

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apolloin — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:54:15 -0700

Mocha - people's memories don't work like that. Shock blanks a lot of traumatic things from recall initially - but it has a terrible habit of 'filling in the blanks' later. I personally think that Sirkka performed the ultimate memory triage in this case.

1. She cleaned the girl VERY thoroughly. To me that suggests inside and outside cleansing. And curing of any physical damage. I don't think that pregnancy is going to be an issue - nobody conceives within seconds of the act - let alone whilst the act is in progress.

2. Nobody outside Alice and the Angels knows what's happened. Sirkka returns the girl to her friends saying that she's fallen and hit her head and to look after her. The girl makes a recovery but is always a little hazy about what happened. Provided nobody confronts her with it later - where's the harm?

3. She cleared both the conscious and the subconscious of the event. This doesn't sound like a clumsy conditioning or a memory block where the memories are retained - it sounded like a very thorough removal of all memories of the event. No nightmares. No subconscious cues driving her nuts.

Just going ahead and making the problem 'go away' does have its moral pitfalls, though. They have removed the choice from the victim, for a start. They have placed themselves above her and acted in a paternalistic way. They have also hidden the crime for not entirely altruistic reasons - now they are free to act against Luke behind closed doors. Whatever choice they make is now up to the Freak Angels to decide upon - essentially they are setting themselves up as Lords with a separate code of Laws and trial only by their Peers - the other Angels.

On the other hand, why sugar coat this? If it had been Miki or KK or the Engineer girl (whose name escapes me, sorry!) who had acted in this way - would they be as disposable as parasitic Luke with his head full of useless, selfish knowledge that he refuses to use in the common good? If he was as intellectual as they say he is then he should be neck deep in Grand Strategy for expanding the Whitechapel enclave, in diplomacy with the surrounding groups or just in acting as a schoolmaster for the Whitechapel children - to preserve vital knowledge.

The locals can't enforce law upon the Angels. The Angels could handily butcher them all in a pitched fight. They also can't develop the enclave without the help of the Angels. The Angels are going to be coordinating development, research and planning together for as long as they live. Without them, Whitechapel will fall apart quickly. The Angels are going to wind up as a ruling class - even if they refuse to appropriate all the traditional trappings of one. Can they place themselves under the authority of those more short-sighted and unable to enforce that authority over them?

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city creed — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:07:06 -0700

well, if there was a missing 'to' in the dialogue on p5 it's been fixed now, fast work. Whitechapel=crowd-sourced proofreading :P

Another great ep, didn't get to read it til now as weekend has been somewhat hectic. p6 is visually just epic, and of course, win. My first thought on seeing it was that it was simply Kait's stage, painstakingly dressed to encourage compliance and a certain nervous eagerness to please. Something about the graffiti I think, I'm not sure why, like it's more like what Kait might write there than what some luckless, mutilated and half-dead wretch might scratch into the wall with the shards of his shattered femur. In some ways, I'd rather not ever know for sure one way or the other...

Maybe it's just that I've always had a bit of a soft spot for psycho-toughnut Kait and though I do think she's probably at least a little crazy, I don't believe she's actually outright evil. Still, me and Kait are kind of on a break just now (don't tell her, she's just so angry all the time) as I think I'm maybe starting to feel a deeper, you know, bond, with Sirkka...
This picture of Sirkka on the third panel of this page, from the last episode is all-out superb. Looking at that, I see so many conflicting tensions on Sirkka's face - outrage, pity, horror, fury, and most of all the utterly implacable certainty of Luke's comeupance. All this and she is not losing her temper overtly, she is contained, composed even, as her and Caz shovel the freakpressure thick on Luke, forcing him first to his knees and then crushing him flat onto the buckling tarmac. and this from the freaky sex 'kangel! Sirkka delivers.

As to the heal/remove, I don't see the issue really. She did what she had to do to protect the group without hesitating. She removed the girl's choice but she can't really take the risk that the girl's choice isn't going to be to undo everything the 'kangels have worked so hard for. It seems obvious to me that she does care about the girl and wants to help her recover as completely as possible but there is no question for her as to whether or not she should do the memory wipe in the first place. Expedient and immoral? maybe. Necessary for the continued existence of the Whitechapel project? most likely. Least worst is a good way to look at it I guess.

I love Professor Imagine's idea of the cop who shoots first and still asks the questions later. Crazy Kait, killing people, to find out what they know.
Nah, she's not that bad, just a weapons geek with a stick up her ass and an unhealthy fixation on being THE LAW.

And it's not a pool is it, I reckon that guess about it being a part of the city's plumbing system is a good one.

And no, I ain't buying a Jack/Sirkka incest subplot at any price. Ick.

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MelanieB — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:10:14 -0700

Awesome episode. Awesome. I loved Arkady on page five, hehe.

I think people already touched upon the ideas running around my head at the time. I think Sirrka did the best on-the-spot-don't-have-time-to-ponder-too-long move. If she's going to clense the girl mentally and physically, then it's like a complete reversal of time for her body. I do agree with Alice, that it's not the BEST solution, but Whitechapel isn't being presented to us as the perfect place where everything happens perfectly, either.

I don't think Kait tortured as much as she tried to resurrect. Remember the bird she tried to bring back to life? She wanted to know who/what killed it, so it is quite possible she did the same to the Ripper victims as well (once Miki was done doing proper paperwork or whatnot). The words on the wall could be explained if the victim didn't see who the murderer was (which I believe is what happened to the Kait/Miki episode) and had been left alive a bit before dying/becoming lifeless once more.
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I had a wonderful weekend. Went four hours out of the city and hiking up into the mountains. Lovely natural hotspring to dip in as well.

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Quixotess — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:18:47 -0700

Remember that it's not just Sirkka whose actions are questionable here. Caz is also complicit in brushing off Alice. Together they really do make the situation bullshit.

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diello — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:56:45 -0700

I still want to know why the girl didn't question going for a nice little walk with a guy wearing no pants.

Also, Kait would have a bowel disruptor. I'm going to go back and double check her wall of weapons.

Edit:

Is that it next to the cuffs??? ;)

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Tanuki — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:38:36 -0700

I cannot remember the exact quote, but someone said 'If you lead, you will eventually have blood on your hands, it's just a question of how much.'

The FA clan are pretty much the only authority in Whitechapel that we've been introduced to and they're obviously making it up as they go along. Part of my enjoyment for this series is watching their learning curve.

I don't think anyone has questioned Kait before this, partly expediency, partly ignorance. Now they know it's going to be interesting to see if they can let her continue on as before. Remember, for those same reasons they've been ignoring Luke. As Caz said 'he broke the big rule' and the rules they've established are almost certainly for their own self preservation more than concern for mere mortals.

It'll be interesting to find out how far Kait goes. Does the fun-room exsist just for a 'talking to' place or is it also for punishment? Does she mindwipe catch and release or does she disappear people? Kait may be mental but seems sincere, she's a Quincy fan, that's got to have formed her sense of justice.

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Purple Wyrm — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:40:32 -0700

@diello - I still want to know why the girl didn't question going for a nice little walk with a guy wearing no pants.

I imagine she was still fairly dazed and disoriented after Luke and Sirkka's brain tampering. In ten minutes time she probably wouldn't even remember seeing him, let alone his pantlessness.

As for that gun - I like to think someone was mad enough to wander into Whitechapel armed with a pepper-box.

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Kosmopolit — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:28:17 -0700

"The FA clan are pretty much the only authority in Whitechapel that we've been introduced to and they're obviously making it up as they go along. Part of my enjoyment for this series is watching their learning curve.

I don't think anyone has questioned Kait before this, partly expediency, partly ignorance. Now they know it's going to be interesting to see if they can let her continue on as before."

Exactly.

But if Kait doesn't continue as before are they going to reinvent prisons? Who guards the prisoners? Who pays the guards?

what other sanctions do they have? Exile" Flogging? Mind wipes?

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Paul Duffield — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:02:52 -0700

@diello
That's a hand-cranked taser. Maybe you could get someone to shit themselves with it?

@mybrainhurts
There is indeed :) A free sketch to anyone who figures out what it says XD

@All
The smears about the place are indeed both blood and shit. But just because the shit is smeared doesn't mean it started off that way. If people are writhing about in pain, and if there's standing water, I doubt any neat little curls would remain. Speculation is fine, but the balance is to be found in logic! The least bizarre explanation is normally the correct one!

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Professor Imagine — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:15:12 -0700

I was returning after re-reading the arc and lingering, again, on page 6 to say that, Paul, I imagine you having the most fun with this page... all the details point to how much thought went into it. I'm seeing something new each time. that is my favorite art, which reveals new secrets over time.

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Professor Imagine — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:21:28 -0700

now Paul's got me scouring the panel for his hidden message.

I've found the message, which I'd never noticed before, but deciphering what it says is impossible. if anyone gets it, they deserve the free sketch. like you said before, Paul, it'll be in print before we can read it, yeah?

thanks for driving us mad, though.

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PinkFearie — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:14:47 -0700

I think I have it deciphered out. Do we pop it in here or in a PM?
I can see no faculty to whisper on here, and do not wish to ruin it for anyone else.

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diello — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:18:47 -0700

@Paul
It doesn't say HELPr, does it? Because that's the only thing I could come up with... the robot from Venture Brothers :(
Also, I think you boys should have Kait crank-tase someone til he shits himself. It can be one more low blow for Luke (not sure if I intended on that pun).

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steevo — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:31:02 -0700

It says 'Duffield wuz here,' doesn't it Paul? Or maybe, 'For a bad time call: 555-KAIT.'

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Professor Imagine — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:47:19 -0700

well, shit. if it's gonna turn into a free for all guesser:

left wall, behind the chains: I make out something that looks like "Paul"... thinking "was here." fits. Figure, if it's for his personal amusement, it would be something he's tagged on walls before.

I'm picturing Paul meticulously creating the panel in his mindspace, envisioning the chains, the inches of water, the blood and shit... and then scrawling his name on the wall of his imagination. A meta-fiction in which the creator leaves some small clue to his existence for the creations to overlook. In my imagination, everyone's imagination is this potent.

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PinkFearie — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:45:27 -0700

Hehe, due to my job requiring me to read tiny writing on motherboards, I think I can read it. So emailed it to Pauls email address on here, as its going to annoy me now knowing if I've read it right or not. Looking forward to next weeks already

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johnjones — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:31:24 -0700

So is this coming Friday going to be a skip week in honor of Thank-God-those-fucking-colonials-are-gone day?

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Dee_Noir — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:15:24 -0700

If one takes p6 and inverts the colours, it looks especially pretty and very very trippy. Try it and see what I mean!

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mister hex — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:30:31 -0700

"Anyone giving me any type of lip will be shot dead." Kait, in her own words.
"Anyone who tries to hug me will be shot dead." Kait, later that same day.

Kait's been described as crazy from the start. Torture chamber? Define torture. (From a FreakAngel perspective, please.) If your friend is doing bad things behind your back ... are you responsible?

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johnjones — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:23:49 -0700

If your friend is doing bad things behind your back ... are you responsible?

A big question that has yet to be answered is what exactly Kaitlyn has been doing in that pit. The writing seems weird to me. It bespeaks time spent in the pit. Time in which other forms of communications weren't an option somehow. I mean, why would a person write that on the walls? Why wouldn't the say it (or scream it) verbally? I'm right now torn between the writing being theatre for Kait's own purposes or evidence of something unspeakable.

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Rootfireember — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:45:23 -0700

It might very well be set-dressing. Sometimes the idea of something can be as intimidating as the actual thing. IT could be used as a place you go where you are warned; ie: Be Bad or THIS will happen to you; without a need for actual human suffering to be involved. Blood could come from animals (slaughtered or otherwise) same with the poo.

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Zatoichi — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:46:51 -0700

Dreamed I was in Whitechapel last night. There were lots of familiar places I knew from the comic. And plenty of closed doors I knew SHOULD NOT be opened...

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Dee_Noir — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:12:23 -0700

Maybe the ex-swimming pool pit is just a show. Y'know, so Kait can take someone there and say 'Anymore trouble out of you again and you'll find yourself booked in for an extended stay here.'

Maybe.

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johnjones — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:07:54 -0700

I'm again torn between wanting and not wanting a skip week five hours from now or so. While I want the story to continue asap, I'm okay with having another week to reprocess. Also, I'd rather get the skip week done and be able to look forward to four more weeks and uninterrupted FA.

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city creed — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:48:29 -0700

If you have to have these traumatic and frightening thoughts there is another thread for that

besides, it's a terrible risk, it's going to look like your fault if we have a skippy now

on the upside, more opportunities to gaze longingly at merchandise I can't afford to ship

no, who am I kidding, I need my weekly fix of violet-eyed, textually promiscuous, postdiluvian psycho-justice.

With all the questions floating around I hold on to one certainty: Luke is going to get what he deserves.

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Silvith — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:12:36 -0700

After pondering subconsciously over this for a week, I just had this thought: what If Kait herself is the Whitechapel murderer? I'm sure someone must have thought this before? (point me to thread)
Because she's so obsessed over policing, she might create an enemy to gain liberty from the other FA's, to do stuff they would normally not condone. Like in America after the attack on the WTC, when suddenly all kinds of privacy invading measures were legalized.

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Paul Duffield — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:20:56 -0700

@PinkFearie
Thanks for the email :) Unfortunately, the guess wasn't right.
It's a 5 word phrase, I fear it's far too squashed to actually read, maybe even if you have the full res file.

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mister hex — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:32:37 -0700

@ Paul - It looks to me like

"I don't want to die>"

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Paul Duffield — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:39:56 -0700

@mister hex
Not quite, but the actual phrase does rhyme rather nicely with your suggestion.

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Tiresiae — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:32:13 -0700

"There's pie in the sky"?

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Slick — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:57:21 -0700

'I will not cry' we all know there's no crying in Whitechapel.

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mister hex — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:01:00 -0700

@ Paul - Ah, well. (interesting, tho. I'm keeping schtum now, other than to recall my favorite chair leg :)

Regardless, when I buy Volume Three, I'll go over it with a magnifying glass.

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PinkFearie — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:10:19 -0700

@paul, i was on the eee when i tried to have a go at reading it. :D
Loving the episodes, got 2 freinds hooked. Didnt notice there was a change in colouration, it still looks as good as ever.
On a final note, keep doing what your all doing. Its wonderful atrwork

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Gekko — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:53:14 -0700

@Paul thanks for this interlude. I mean, we know what hard work it is to do what you do for us but It is very interesting to be explained too how things work.
Thanks too for the wallpaper, great colouring^^, it is right now on my screen.

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enantiodroma — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:58:12 -0700

new to the forum, been following since the beginning, love freakangels (i got one the blankets, it's a favorite possession)

kait is not the whitechapel murderer, no way

here's a fun one no one's thought of yet..kait resurrected mark (!)

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mister hex — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:12:58 -0700

@ enantiodroma - oOOohh! Never thought of THAT! Wouldn't THAT be something? And MARK was amassing a private army, which means he was a bit tasty with the mind-control, yeah? Probably taught Luke a few tricks. MIGHT (and I say "might") have even erased the memory from Kait's mind once he came to. That opens a bunch of possibilities ...

Oh, I can't wait til tomorrow. Seven AM, local time (for me). Our Kait's gonna have some 'splainin' to do. (About the Abu Ghraib Swimming Pool and all.)

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johnjones — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:50:50 -0700

besides, it's a terrible risk, it's going to look like your fault if we have a skippy now

It's really not. Aside from which, I was cool with entering Paul work process last Friday. Plus, we now get four more weeks of probably uninterrupted Freakangels instead of facing a skip week this week.

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Gekko — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:23:41 -0700

O my, it's already Friday!

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Masterful Eyes — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:47:39 -0700

I haven't posted in a while. I quite like this episode. It was very nice, but then again I liked all the episode of Freakangels. The reason I posted today was because this episode has some great debates in it. Kait's torture chamber and I think that's okay. And for the most part the rape victims and erasing that it never happened, and I think that's okay too. I think it's all right to erase a rape's victims memories about rape. It was rape, not a good experience what so ever. For the rest of their lives, even with help, they'll always dream about that man who continued even when she told him no. Personally, I think Sirkka is doing some thing right. Now maybe on other things of going into people's minds, maybe not so much. But I don't see how helping out rape victims is messing around in their head. It's helping.

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diello — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:48:30 -0700

Kait resurrected Mark... wow... why didn't anyone think of that theory before? I like it!