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    • CommentAuthorcjtremlett
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009
    Reading minds isn't the unbreakable rule. Taking over/controlling them is.

    Where's Miki? She's not at the torture pit reveal. Neither is Jack, but he's probably out somewhere on his boat.

    As far as I can tell, they don't pick up on routine uses of power. Reading minds seems to be something they take for granted - like when Miki was convincing the rest out at Shoreditch Park. Miki uses power in her every-day work, and so do a lot of the others, I'll bet. We know Arkady spends a lot of time working with hers. They also seem to be somewhat connected in each others' minds all the time, enough so that one of them shutting the others out is unusual, and that Karl puts on the tinfoil to avoid picking up on the others having sex. So they're either not picking up on "normal" uses of the powers, or they're just ignoring them as routine. But messing with someone's mind puts out something different, that Sirkka picks up on. Arkady does too, from her confrontation with Luke over Janine, but she either didn't pick up on it this time, or she knew the others were going to stop it.
    • CommentAuthorE0157H7
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009
    I'm liking Kait more and more.

    "Who's that?"
    "That's Luke. We had to bounce his head off the concrete because he was being a prick."
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    Man, this board is lighting up.

    Yeah, what a great episode. That was genuinely scary and exciting. Not much to add; just wish ep. 61 would come sooner...!
    • CommentAuthorfrexels
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009
    One of them stated the rule as something like "the gang stays out of all the citizens heads". I thought that it was a privacy thing; they have no real right to paw through people's thoughts and take things they don't other people to know. Luke, being the egomaniac he is, has no respect for other people's thoughts or bodies, so he doesn't acknowledge the rule as having any merit.

    Connor went into Alice's head, and she got the glowy purple eyes The people at Shoreditch didn't. I'm guessing the difference is the Connor went deep (we saw him pulling up report cards, crayon drawings and family pictures), but the refugees thoughts were on the top of their minds. They were concerned about their survival and how the infiltration was going, so those were what the Angels picked up on. From Alice's reaction, Connor digging through her head was a big deal. I'm assuming the gun to the head and Mark's manipulation were extenuating circumstances.

    But if Connor can poke Alice's head and make a case that there was immediate danger, why the hell isn't Kait trying for a similar argument? "They did something wrong, I need to find out what so no one else gets hurt?" It seems like they others (or at least a significant portion-KK, Connor, Kirk, Karl, and Luke almost for sure) would agree to Kait taking a peak in extreme circumstances. It's looking like Kait skipped straight to torture without even considering the alternative. And, like I said earlier, if she's not really concerned that psychic interference isn't a crime, why jump to a dungeon?

    Plus, this isn't a punishment zone. It's where she takes them to "talk," but judging by the lack of anything but fingernails to carve those messages in, she leaves them there for quite awhile (unless she wrote them herself to psych the visitors out). Even if it IS a mini-prison, the other FAs obviously didn't know it was there, which means Kait was administering justice without the others knowing. And if the others put Kait in charge of prison and didn't check up on her, they fucked up. KK, Miki, and Connor all think she's a little touched in the head, at least. You do NOT put a person like that in charge of punishment without some sort of supervision.
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009 edited
    Oh, I forgot one thing:
    @Warren: I love you (as per your request via BAD SIGNAL)
    @Paul: I love you, too.
    @Ariana: Don't tell the others, but I love you most.
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    I guess the only thing we need to know is whether or not she's actually torturing people. We all seem to agree that she shouldn't be, since she can read thoughts and it would be justified. Right now it looks like she does torture, but we'll have to see what happens next Friday to be sure.
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009
    that last panel was awesome.
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009
    are we sure it's "torture" and not "punishment"

    I know that the means may be the same but the ends are different
    • CommentAuthorsteevo
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009
    @LBA - What? Are you saying that torture is worse? At least with torture you have a way to make it stop.
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    are we sure it's "torture" and not "punishment"
    Kait herself describes it as the place she takes suspects to talk to. And either way, she's keeping it secret from the others. I've yet to see an indication that Kait was chosen as the sole judge to mete out punishment, and even if she was, why would her little punishment pit be such a shock to the others?
    • CommentAuthorfrexels
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009 edited
    @ LBA She said that she takes them there to "talk them." I assume that means "make them talk," but it could be "talk to them about what they did wrong and the consequences about to be inflicted." I think the prospect of it being for punishment is a bit worse, but both look pretty bad.

    EDIT- @ doclivingston- That's pretty much the reason I'm worried it's for punishment. If they really shouldn't be surprised that she's punishing people, why wouldn't they have checked up on her?
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    yes... that is a few inches of water at the bottom. tho I don't think it's an arm on the left. some type of harness, perhaps, but not an arm.

    on Sirkka: the key word here is "throroughly" "I'm cleaning you very thoroughly." let's not forget Sirkka's role in Whitechapel: Mind/Body/Soul. As Conner said in Volume 2, when he was giving Alice the recap on the various 'Angels: Sirkka is attempting to execute a uptopian vision here, to reinvent humanity. She's a healer. I think you're all focusing too much on the mental fudgery here. I picture her actually healing and removing any physical trace of the event as well, and certainly with the victim's best interests in mind. what rape victim wouldn't prefer the entire event physically and psychically erased?

    on Kait: in digging for the wording from Connor on the recap, I stumbled upon a possible clue from Kait's first appearance (Ep 32, p 2 panel one.) Du-dun-DUNH!
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    I picture her actually healing and removing any physical trace of the event as well,

    • CommentAuthorfrexels
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009
    Huh. If they can heal physical damage, could some of Miki's medicines be placebos? Doesn't explain why she looked so worried about her dwindling supplies recently, but it does explain why her first patient (the little girl) was immediately better.
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    Thank you Warren.

    Re: Kait and the "clue" - I still don't buy into the idea that she killed that guy. We saw her try to get information from the corpse. At the time there was nobody else around, so she wasn't doing it just for show. Besides, if she ws going to kill him, why not take him to this lovely little area that was just revealed. No, she's not the Jack the Ripper copy-cat, in my mind, unless her motive for killing the guy was to try to hone her ability to "read" corpses with her powers.... ? But that seems unlikely, since it would yield no information she didn't already know and not be a good test.
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    @frexels - I would assume there are some limits (even if it's only because they haven't pushed themselves as far as Arkady), and that some of Miki's patients get healed, others get medicine, depending on the situation.
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    Thing is, torture's horrifically ineffective for extracting useful information and doubly unnecessary when you have mind-reading powers. Rules or no, I don't see Kait stinting from using those abilities if it would ferret out the specter of crime.

    Based on the personality she's shown so far, I'm going with the "punishment pit" theory. The "talk them" part probably being the excuse she gave the others (and they accepted without asking too many questions).

    On a related note, without the manpower or organization to maintain anything like a long-term prison, the Freakangels are right back to the methods ancient societies used to punish/deter crime: exile, death, maiming or fines.

    We've seen examples of the first two so far, and the last wouldn't seem very useful because no one has much to take. So that leaves the third...

    Also, it seems to be an area where the Freakangels' own clannishness clashes with their position as the ruling gang of Whitechapel. Mark's turning people into puppets and he gets exiled. Random pleb commits a crime and they get three rounds in manacles with Kait the Crime-crusher? I can see that causing some resentment.
    • CommentAuthorGilgurth
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009
    Wow. We start off with a 'if a tree falls in the woods, did it really happen' mixed metaphor moment, and end up in the 'This is what happens if you get your idea of justice from Judge Dredd/2000AD 'after the fall' mentality'.

    I don't think chains will hold Luke, nor do I think they're going to babysit him 24-7 for some 'sentence'. This is going to be fairly fast and nasty if it's punishment, and rehabilitation seems to not be possible.

    As horrified as the rest of them are, they seem to let each of them have their domain, and unless they want to take the task over, what are they going to do? Fight Kait over Luke? Do they even care that much?
    • CommentAuthorTiresiae
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009 edited
    All the stuff I was going to say about it, mainly regarding the non-necessity of a torture-pit, has already been said.

    But someone asked what the scribbles between "I don't want to die" and "Let me out" were. I could be wrong but I THINK it says:
    "please please please please
    please please please
    please please please please please
    please please
      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009
    Kait can't read people's minds or else she'd give the game away. That all those purple-eyed motherfuckers who protect us are ... what? Psychic, like? See, I see it like this ...

    You can't lie to Kait. She'll know. How? Who knows? Who cares? YOU CAN'T LIE TO HER. She'll KNOW. And she'll beat you if you lie to her. Won't kill you but she could. It's just you and her and you insist on lying to her, well ... what can ANYONE do?
    The rest of them had no idea about this place. Kait kept it secret. Even from Arkady. (Kait always screens, as I believe has been established.) But I bet any bad egg in Whitechapel has at least heard rumours about it and knows not to cross Constable Kait. Or attract her attention. Face it, if they had no crime, Kait would be out of a job, yeah?

    Kait also can't tip them off to the fact that FreakAngels can read people's minds.