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    JfC: Welcome to Whitechapel. Hopefully you'll be able to get some sleep soon, because I start hallucinating around 40 hours myself. And thanks for the apology--it didn't go unnoticed.
    • CommentAuthoroga
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009

    my hubs is a HUGE collector...he's bound to have about eight hundred figures now...all in the bedroom...all staring at us

    I think that this deserves a photo. Please?
    • CommentAuthorTheSeer
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2009
    First of all, I'm an old fan of Warren Ellis who recently found out about Freakangels. I expected awesome and I was still pleasantly surprised. I finished the archive in one sitting and went right back to the beginning to start again. Great writing, gorgeous art, for free. Thank you.

    Second, there's been a lot of discussion as to why a telepath needs a torture chamber, which strikes me as a very good question. But maybe we're missing something. Kait is very neat and efficient in her violence, I've noticed, and anyway heavy bleeding is contraindicated in torture - the victim tends to pass out before answering. But we know that Kait's secret necromancy technique can be messy. What if the purpose of this hole is not to torture the living, but to interrogate the dead? Is it possible that Kaitlyn shoots first, and asks questions later?

    (If she also sometimes needs to chain live people up where they can see the ominous bloodstains, I think she'd see this as an added benefit.)
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    Maybe the "new cave" is actually where the FreakAngels where put before. I believe there are roughly the same # of chain supports on the wall and floor as there are FA's standing there. But then again it could be Kait's secret jail she's using to interrogate the new White Chappel Ripper suspects.
    I also loved the fact that Alice (the only none FA) is discontent with Sirkka wiping the victim's mind of the event without consent. I mean the question is was it ethical?
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    Maybe the pit is where Kait also interrogates the victims? After all, raising the dead is not something she'd want the ordinary inhabitants of Whitechapel to see. And as noted by TheSeer it seems to be a somewhat messy process.

    I also just noticed the contrast between the first and last panels of the episode. Starts with Sirkka being gentle and caring - ends with a torture chamber. Nice!

    Also - is that a missing "to" in Kait's dialogue on page 5 panel 2 (I have to be able to talk them)? Or is she being colloquial in some way?
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    yeah... yeah... like "talk them" means "make them talk" as in "animate the dead"
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    It could also be her practice pit. She did say she needed to work on that particular skill, maybe this is where she works the kinks out, trying to fine tune it so the meatsacs stop going all 'splodey on her.
    • CommentAuthorKosmopolit
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2009
    As others have said, there's no way to run a prison in Whitechapel - especially not when Kait's doing it singlehanded whiel also beign the one-woman police force.

    So, my theory is Kait's been administering some pretty vicious beatings followed by a few days in chains as her preferred form of punishment.

    Just as the other Freak Angels ignored the refugees outside Whitechapel, I think they simply left Kait to keep the peace inside Whitechapel. If they'd cared to inquire, it would have been pretty easy to find out what was going on - but they were all tied up with the personal obsessions.

    The attack on the Freakcave, woke them up to the people starving and dying of typhoid outside of Whitechapel. Now they're being schooled on how order has been kept inside Whitechapel.

    In effect I think they're having to rebuild the social order bit by bit.
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    It does indeed say 'please' over and over again. There are a few 'oh god's at the beginning too. There's also a 'Help' written in blood behind the rope on the wall, and one more message I put in for personal amusement. I don't think you'll be able to see that until print though, and even them it'll be nearly impossible.

    Thanks all for the compliments on this week's ep! :)
    • CommentAuthorBellaInara
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2009

    Well, you deserve every single one.
  7.  (6236.111)
    Ok, just re-read this week's episode; The little statement that Kait makes? "You promised. You bastards promised!!"

    It strikes me Kait is like an over-the-top Jack Bauer crossed with the emotional mindset of a 8 year old girl throwing a tantrum. She's not crazy, per se. The circumstances of the current state of society along with probably same hubris that Luke possesses are what shapes her. She's probably 'order' versus Luke's 'chaos'...
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2009
    I don't see any evidence that Kait's interrogation space is actually of her making. She said she takes people there to talk to them - interrogation is all about theater, so it would make sense if it softened up the person being interrogated to just see all that shit. Or better, wake up mysteriously in the morning, blindfolded and in the chains, only to have Kait slowly remove the blindfold, letting them blink and take in the surroundings...

    Yeah. Not at all sure that this is just a blunt statement that, "Whoa, Kait tortures people." This being Mr. Ellis, I suspect things more insidious and mental.
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    @Paul: Is there something on the left wall right next to the chains? Or am I just succumbing to apophenia?
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    first off, i loved this ep! brilliant reveal. personaly i think that kait is using theatrics to try and 'convince' people to tell the truth, but the theory of it being a practice area for her special ability also sounds convincing.

    also, if im not mistaken, theres a door on the right hand side, down by the back of 'the pit'. if its a swimming pool, why would there be a door? if it is a door, where does it go to?

    next point, the bloody finger marks by the ramp. they look like they belong to someone who was dragged down into 'the pit'. is this for the theatrical effect or was there someone dragged down there (my sub-theory involves kait resurection someone who becomes zombified and eats someone who tries to get away, but thats probs casue ive just watched the resident evil films and read the books of the games.)

    last observation, its probably just the concrete degrading etc, but it looks almost like bullet holes at what would be roughly waist height on the walls. crazy kait having a little target practice? who knows.

    -Peace out
    • CommentAuthorGraizur
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2009
    I wanted to read all the posts to see if it was hit upon.

    Just because your first instinct about me is creepy doesn't mean you don't ask me to tie you up later.

    And as slimy as that makes me sounds and as much as you wish it wasn't true, we still did what we did and you still asked me to do it.

    I had really wished to get a difinitive answer to the question "Did the ahn-jeh-noo ask for a mind bugger?"

    And I find it funny that the free sex freakangel, the anti-rape freakangel was so quick to erase a memory. I wish that at least there were word bubbles with an explaination "I see in your mind that you didn't consent" or something.

    "Daddy how did you and mommy meet?"
    -"I entered her mind and took control and she's been thanking me ever since"
    • CommentAuthorDee_Noir
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2009
    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    I always suspected that Kait was a complete nutter. Now we know for sure. I'm sure she'll have some excuse:

    'These were bad people. They deserved what they got.' etc, etc,

    Just another example of the FAs being hypocritical bullshitters. I don't think it's a case of seeing them unambivalently as 'good' or 'bad', but rather as crazy, immature, ammoral, more ammoral and then just downright psychotic.

    Loved the art this week, amazing p6. Pretty good for a comic book, which as we all know, are for little kids and teenagers and not real 'Literature' :P
    • CommentAuthorQuixotess
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2009
    I dunno y'all, people in here were speculating that Luke wasn't *actually* raping the woman, two episodes ago. Now people in here are trying to find reasons why Kait wasn't *actually* torturing citizens in the pool. It's okay to accept the cues the author and the artist are giving you, you know. This isn't real life; everything you are seeing is there for a purpose. Remember that story (that's plot, characters, setting and theme) is what's happening here. Therefore, to create far-fetched explanations that may be possible but which jar with the story is--well, it would be good in a court of law, but it's silly here. Trust the authors; enjoy the ride.

    @anyone who was characterizing Sirkka's actions as healing/merciful/kind: I think that's crap. "what rape victim wouldn't want to forget?" Maybe some wouldn't. It's true that there are flashbacks and triggers and nightmares and pain that never fully goes away and anger and fear--it changes your life. But some people wouldn't want the lie. It happened; let me know it. In any case, it's not relevant whether many rape victims would want the memory and pain gone. It's relevant whether *this* rape victim would. They should have asked her. It would be easy enough to explain the mind powers and wipe that knowledge after she made her decision.

    I can't think much more horrible than the idea that something terrible happened to me, and everyone who knew about it hid it from me and denied that it ever happened. That is not merciful. That is paternalism.

    What Sirkka is doing is expedient for the Freakangels. It may even be good for the woman. But it is not done *for* the woman or with the woman's best interests at heart. Alice is right to call it bullshit; and Caz, a relatively inoffensive freakangel, shows the true colors of the lot by blowing her off.

    Oh, and Kait is fucking mental.

    The freakangels are villainous. I'm pretty much rooting just for Alice at this piont.
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    It's okay to accept the cues the author and the artist are giving you, you know
    Exactly my response to the sort of back-bending explanations people have thrown around. If they're trying to pull us for a loop, then just let it happen when it happens. Meanwhile, just take the damn story as it's being told.

    As for Sirkka and the rape victim... that utterly blank stare with the glowy eyes gave me the impression that during the actual rape, she wasn't experiencing anything she'd remember anyway. I wonder if she was so switched off by Luke that it'd be impossible to let her remember anyway.
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    @Quixotess - Therefore, to create far-fetched explanations that may be possible but which jar with the story is--well, it would be good in a court of law, but it's silly here. Trust the authors; enjoy the ride.

    To me at least sitting around coming up far fetched explanations is half the fun. Pitching guesses back and forth on where Warren is taking the story fills in the seven days between episodes and goes some way towards satisfying the 'more! MORE!' urge at the end of page 6. Then when a new episode breaks and we're all completely wrong, the ride is twice as entertaining.

    We do trust the authors, we just like trying to second guess them while we wait.

    That's my take on it anyway :)
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2009
    Just a note on the handprints and things in the pit, I don't think most of the mess is blood. It doesn't look like Kait supplies her fun-room with a bucket.