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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
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    I tend to agree with CocoBijou. And Doc, I never said you were complaining. It's all good, bro. We cool?

    Whitechapel is like a medieval town, in many ways. You're an asshole, you do time in the stocks. You're a REAL asshole the we all hate? Bye Bye. See Kait's "Alternative Methods" of making people leave Whitechapel forever.

    A bit apocryphal and I can't vouch for the veracity but I heard somewhere the origin of the term "being fired" meant "we burned down your house and don't want you in our town. Please leave now."

    Whitechapel doesn't have a prison. And like Jack said in this ep, they're not good at thinking clearly sometimes. And Kait is Fucking Busy. There's a murderer on the loose that none of the others know about. When's she gonna tell them? And a late theory from the last episode (60) is that maybe Kait resurrected Mark and didn't tell anybody about it. That's her special FA power, right? Resurrecting things? Hurm.

    It's all just whistling past the graveyard anyway, as Warren will do whatever he likes. It's his story. It's only a story. An incredibly interesting one, one that obviously strikes deep to the human condition. I did find it interesting that this episode included an information dump on the Ethical Issues Inherent In Whatever The Hell We've Been Talking About. I'm really looking forward to Kirk and Luke being locked up together. Kirk's not gonna let him get away with this. They've known each other since they were kids. (They were in the same village? Or they knew each other's minds because of the FA Package? Miki seems to be of Asian extraction, Caz's parents are Jamaican. No South Asian FreakAngels, I see. But hard to tell and we haven't seen Mark yet.)

    They've been living with this for SEVEN YEARS, everyone has. We've been in their world the equivalent of a week? Warren's got the edge on us. And he's waiting right around the corner, holding a parang and just waiting ...
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      CommentAuthorCocoBijou
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
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    I'm glad that this episode had a little backstory as to how the citizens were surviving before being, "saved," by the FreakAngels. It was nice to get so much information in two short pages. Kait's dungeon was not nearly as horrific as I had tried to prepared for. :) Concise plot and storytelling, lush art, and as always looking forward to the next episode.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
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    "IT SMELLS OF POO! What? It DOES." rivals "CHIKKENZZ!" as my favorite Arkady line.
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    I get the impression people got angrier than I ever was about my confusion and search for clarity (very little personal anger at any point honestly). I'm sure I was being thick, apologies to all for that, but mayyybe cussing at people to calm down or leave it doesn't quite make sense in this particular context. (That was aimed at Brian, not you Mister Ellis sir, but I'm fully prepared for a lengthy time-out/rain of hellfire/perma-ban regardless...) Anywho, yeah, we're definitely cool Hex. I'm just apparently having a breakdown in reading comprehension today. As fully evinced by this very comment! Apologies again to all for being a pain in the ass.

    Regarding the practicality that Brian talked about, I like phrasing it as an eminent domain issue (though that's maybe incorrect). The people that run things see a clear need to impinge on the rights of a few of the community's members. There's other things at play obviously, the ethical questions remain, but I can't get riled up by the FAs actions if they're done with good intentions and clear needs in mind. Between trying to save a rape victim from potential suicide after having that demonstrated as a clear risk, trying to begin building up a healthy and functional community overall, and all the while trying to keep a lid on their powers in light of the likely difficulties that a reveal could bring upon them... yeah. It makes sense. Although I wouldn't quite phrase the alternative as "letting the victims be a cancer on progress", as there were surely possibilities more in the range of steadily building those victims back up to a healthy place while the rest get on with starting up a real community.

    I do love that everything's being deftly treated as thorny, hazy issues. Really hoping next episode has just as much if not more direct discussion of the varying sides and arguments as this week's did.
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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
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    Intentional logistical issues for a baby farm aside, the rape camp to "for food" timeline helps hint at how long it was between the deluge/collapse of civilization and when the 'Angels settled into Whitechapel. It's been established that they were born and seemed to be raised in London, and I thought an earlier episode (when they first hid in the Foundry, after coming to some powers of the package, but before destroying the world) implied they'd carried on in Whitechapel, not that they left.

    In any case, there was a bit of time between drowning London and establishing civilization in Whitechapel.

    I love what a great look this is at reestablishing civilization, civil order, ethics and so on. Folks have to think through what's going on, but in real time. They half remember what their parents/teachers/etc preached, but have to apply it now to strangers and comrades alike. No hypotheticals, like we're arguing here. (Yes, yes, they're fictional, they live in Warren's brain, but still.)

    Thanks for another fascinating episode.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
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    (Yes, yes, they're fictional, they live in Warren's brain, but still.)

    ... But still, they're REAL (kind of) and it's a testament to Warren's skill as a writer that so many people feel so strongly about this that they endlessly speculate and comment on this story. We all hate Luke because we saw him being a cunt and that's a testament to Paul's skills as an artist. (We all laughed when we saw Luke being used as a bench and perhaps, an ashtray.)

    And it's Kirk guarding him, not Karl. (I know, I had a hard time telling them apart. Both bald skinny dudes. Maybe that's why Arkady shaved her head? Probably not.) Karl has the tin-foil hat. Kirk has sunglasses and a vest. (Kirk also beat the shit out of Luke way back in Vol. 1. He hates him. HAAAATES him.) Gonna be a sweet interrogation scene coming up. Even if Kait's Fucking Busy and can't be there to add to the intimidation value. Kirk's not gonna let him get away with this. Maybe a stern talking-to will bring Luke around. (Not hopeful of that, though.)

    And ... KK's gonna give shit to Sirkka. THAT'LL be interesting. (Fuck! Is it next Friday yet?)
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
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    It's been established that they were born and seemed to be raised in London, and I thought an earlier episode (when they first hid in the Foundry, after coming to some powers of the package, but before destroying the world) implied they'd carried on in Whitechapel, not that they left


    No, it hasn't been. Reread the below.


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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
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    @ johnjones - thank you. And Caz is obviously Jamaican, yeah? But FreakAngels pale. And Miki is obviously of Asian descent. (Obvious to me, anyway.) In fact, other than Caz, there are no blond FA's. (Luke's a bit ginger, I suppose.)

    What IS "The FreakAngel Package"? Where did it come from? Is it natural?

    And - Alice doesn't know they destroyed the world. Yet.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2009 edited
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    Caz is of Jamaican heritage (her parents were from there) but isn't Jamaican herself. It reminds me a little bit of that Cho Chang girl from the Harry Potter movie when she talks in that Scottish accent. Cracks me up. Though not nearly as much as hearing an Asian person speak in a really deep Southern accent.

    I just noticed looking at the picture that Caz appears to have freckles. I have never seen a black person with freckles. Is that a side effect of the package?
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      CommentAuthordorkmuffin
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
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    @johnjones, it's totally possible. And actually, not all that uncommon. White people just tend to have freckles more often, for obvious reasons.
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    Nope. They gots freckles just like you and me. I have a freind who has a lighter skin tone and you can see her freckles if you squint really hard.
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    Oh, and I think Miki looks more Korean. KK might be asian though, if her name is any indication.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2009 edited
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    I can also confirm that black people have freckles. Men and women. Racial differences are largely superficial, vis a vis biology. Obviously, the FA Package doesn't discriminate.

    ETA - KK's name is half-Japanese.
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      CommentAuthorPurple Wyrm
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2009 edited
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    Actually Caz's parents weren't Jamaican, her great grandparents were.

    (Assuming "two generations out" means what I think it means).

    Also Warren mentioned at some point that KK's names (Japanese and Scandinavian) have nothing to do with any racial heritage and everything to do with her hippy parents.

    EDIT: And Caz's hair wasn't always completely blonde.
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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
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    Ah I was thinking of episode 30 and conflated that warehouse with the foundry.

    @johnjones Never got 'round to checking up on South East England geography so I don't know how to plot the references in that panel. No idea how close or far that village is to London/Whitechapel. (I know Whitechapel is in London, I can use Wikipedia.)

    When Alice first meets Caz she remarks that Caz certainly looks of African descent and then, if I'm not confusing this like I have other facts, Caz says pale skin and purple eyes is part of the package. Apparently so is an nifty metabolism that makes you skinny and rarely hungry. All we know for sure about how the package expressed itself if that it came in some time during the 'Angels teens. Before then (we've been told) they looked a bit more like everyday folk - Connor was even overweight.

    We don't know if it's natural or man made or what exactly the package is, let alone where it came from. We only know the 'Angels were born at the same time and are from the same village. Powers... aww...read the thing yourself. Two books and counting and it's a great story. }:>
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    Only thinking about it again because of the page posted... I wonder if Warren decided to have the 'Angels come from Southend-on-Sea.
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    @razrangel - I can't find any reference to them hailing from the same village, only their simultaneous birth. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but could you point out the issue? I'm a lazy bugger this early in the morning.
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    It's mentioned right in that page that johnjones posted just up the page a bit, Ray.
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    Dick bags, So it is. Thanks, haha!
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    @razrangel - Kait had at least some of her powers at a young age (there was that flashback when she failed at resurrecting the bird). And it's possible that Connor used to eat so much that the package couldn't keep up :)