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    Loved the new episode, especially learning what exactly Mark did that made He Must Die a priority. The info made my skin crawl a little.

    How was my week? Well, I'm a little depressed and crabby. Thanks to being short-handed at work, my plans for attending SDCC and getting a much-needed vacation just got flushed down the toilet. The news came some time after I laid out something like $500 in non-refundable money. The firm is paying me back for the lost moneys, but still this wasn't about just the money.
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    You're better off dating the crash by cultural references. The Freakangels have used several that pin their teenage to a specific time.
    • CommentAuthorklaiklai
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2009
    Am I the only person who feels bad for Luke? It seems like he's always being shunned by the others, for example not asking him to help with Alice, not giving him food, not helping him find a place to stay, or being compassionate when he had his breakup. It's clear that he wasn't always of the mindset that he should just take what he wants, since he was against Mark in the beginning as well. Unless he was just always a douche and that's why no one liked him. I'm not sure if that was clear or not.
    • CommentAuthorfrexels
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2009 edited
    How long has Amy Winehouse been around? Caz and Alice made a reference earlier, and wikipedia says since 2003. Give her at least a year to build a reputation as whacked-out, and the crash happened no sooner than 2004, making the current date no earlier than 2010. Since in 2009, Amy Winehouse is still insane, it could be as late as 2015. Also, the FAs are 23, and the crash happened when they were 17 (6 years before now (in comic time)) as mentioned in the cover pages. FAs were born between 1987 and 1992. Also, if I can has vodka is from an lolcat, minimum of about 2006 for the crash, 2012 for the current date, ranges become 2012-2015 and 1989-1992.

    I think the change Kirk sees in Luke is a switch from wanting to reform society (which he wanted in the flashback) to a decision to screw (or give up on) society and do whatever he wants. He had the right to do both things because he thinks of himself as a god or demi-god (or Ubermensche, because the reformation idea is so cool; I want to get out my Beyond Good and Evil and start making parallels and essays).

    @ whoever mentioned the difficulty of finding a gun and silencer: I totally forgot about that. I'm fairly certain I could find both a handgun and a shotgun in nine out of ten of my neighbors houses. I know one of them has silencers. New appreciation for Jack has been found.
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    @frexels - There's also the "all your base" reference when KK and Caz ambush the mortar team, although I suspect that overlaps pretty well with the Lolcats.

    Mad speculations about skip bins aside (no one thought I was seriously advocating dating the entire series on the basis of a single background detail did they? :) I think Smoo is probably right with the sliding scale idea. The story takes place 6 years (and twenty minutes) into the future. The crash always happens tomorrow.

    Speculation on dates aside, I'm wondering about Arkady's reaction to her (presumed) vision of the future back in Book 2 - something like "It keeps getting worse!". Maybe this whole Luke thing is the start of whatever it was she saw?
    • CommentAuthorKradlum
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    Kirk should be wearing Karl's tinfoil hat. Looking forward to next weeks episode!

    Went to Madstock on Friday. The Pogues were excellent and Madness were a lot better than I expected. Got a stinking cold, but not swine flu (unless it is very mild). Also, bought a new car for my wife as we need more space now we are transporting a bay and all the baby support equipment.
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    Speculation on dates aside, I'm wondering about Arkady's reaction to her (presumed) vision of the future back in Book 2 - something like "It keeps getting worse!".

    It didn't really seem like a vision of the future. I think she was using clairvoyance to monitor an existing situation. Perhaps the hole they punched in the world is getting bigger or something.
    • CommentAuthorMrMonk
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    She could be commenting on the world's continuing slide into savagery.
    • CommentAuthorKosmopolit
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    So idle speculation that's almost definitely off track:

    The only evidence we have that Mark is still alive is what Alice says and what the FAs read in her mind. all the other evidence says he's dead.

    Someone pointed out a little while back how remarkably quickly and completely Alice was accepted into the inner circle.

    Maybe Mark IS dead.

    The FAs can plant fake memories - maybe one of the other FAs made Alice THINK she'd met Mark.

    Think about it, Alice's arrival and the conveniently timed attack on Whitechapel shocked the FAs out of their separate little obsessions and got them thinking abotu the community and about rebuilding civilisation.

    If this is the case, I suspect KK's behind it.

    Then too, to disappear right into the depths of paranoia - in The Midwich Cuckoos, which Warren has acknowledged as one of the inspirations for FA, there were several different groups of Cuckoos in different countries around the world.

    Maybe there's another group of Freak Angels. Or maybe one couple from that flat little town in the south of England moved away before their child was born.

    And to get totally paranoid for a second, maybe Alice is a Freak Angel herself. Hair dye, colored contact lenses and a little mind manipulation - not that difficult.

    I fully expect to be proven hilariously wrong on all of the above.

    As for next week: 90% chance Luke dies; 9% chance he planted one or more "sleeper" drones to come bust him out; 1% chance one of the other FAs intervenes at the last minute.
    • CommentAuthorDee_Noir
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    @ Kosmopolit - Never kill a fictional character when the payoff doesn't exceed the loss. Luke's still far too interesting - Warren would never kill him in a million years, or at any rate - not right now.

    I'm so sure of this if I'm wrong I'll officially declare myself to be Lord of the Twats in next weeks FA discussion post.
    • CommentAuthorFan
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    On the other hand, Mark is interesting too (and even *more* interesting for being off-stage).
    • CommentAuthorsilentruth
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    i want to hug kirk .
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    i'm not much of a luke fan but if he doesnt at least get some last words before one of his heads gets blown to smithereens i will be very disappointed. its no fun if there is no last words/insults/bickering.

    with that said, i'd be VERY surprised if a bullet could even kill a freakangel.

    and i do like kirk a lot, but i definitely think he is projecting what mark did, and his apparently failed attempt to "take care of" mark, onto luke.
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    I still think Luke's 'just' going to get his penis shot off.
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    @Rootfireember - There's every chance it would just grow back. But at least it might keep him under control for a little while.
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2009
    @ChrisD: "I still have a hard time believing this is all for free..." Hey, don't question the miracle! This is awesome! Although I have ordered a hard copy from my local Forbidden Planet :D

    @Purple Wyrm: I'm not sure that Arkady did see all this - She saw Luke dying after he controlled Janine, his ex, and the other FAs would have intervened. However, Arkady turned up and stopped it, and said herself that she now didn't know when Luke was going to die. Perhaps that's the reason why she isn't there now, pulverising Luke's mind as she promised. (Go on, Arkady! Do it for us!!)
    And your skip theory deserves major kudos, but I really didn't want the image of Luke's penis growing back 8(
    • CommentAuthorpiersdog
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2009
    well i have a theory that soon we might actualley meet mark(finaley) and it might turn out that luke has been in contact with him?
    and there is absolutley no way that the bullit will hit his brain beacuse that would not be suitabley dramatic.
    no, to write him off as acharacter before the major story arc starts to commense would be a waste
    I dought mr ellis intends to waste this great character quite so uselessley
    wether arkady intervines or luke wakes up and prevents it from happening i dont know
    but luke did say with the exeption of arkady no one in whitechapel could knock him down
    i predict an escape attempt
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    Hmmm, good points all. I kind of presumed Arkady was looking into the future, but now I think about it there's not really any clear evidence on what she was doing/seeing. Another mystery to be revealed (or not) in time.

    My two cents on Luke - I'm hoping he doesn't die. He's an undoubted prick, but an interesting prick. And to me it still seems to early in the story for a major character to be killed off.

    Also I'm hoping Mark doesn't turn up for a long, long time. He seems much more effective as a nebulous threat out there somewhere beyond the (relatively) safe boundaries of Whitechapel than he would be storming on in and mixing things up (or sneaking on in and messing things up).

    Of course it's not my story and whatever happens we can be relatively certain it will be the awesome.
      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2009 edited
    Re : Arkady's Looking And Going "It's Way Worse!" -

    I always thought this was an(other) ability (that they all have? Or just her?) of Remote Viewing. And the last time she Checked In On The Outside World (remember the radio they were contemplating building a few episodes ago?), however far HER RADIUS IS, (she MIGHT know Things About America) the situation out there has collapsed even more in the interval.

    That's the way I read it. And she told Luke she couldn't see his immediate death, not his ultimate one. But somebody's gonna stop Kirk. And it'll be awesome. Unless it's a Skip Week.

    Skip Week's are rarely awesome. The 'Paul Is Dead Or Must be By Now' week and Paul's own recent look into his process were awesome. An Appreciation of Ariana week is long overdue.

    EDIT TO remove innuendo.
    • CommentAuthorKosmopolit
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2009
    It's a bit too Chris Claremont but is it possible Mark somehow imprinted his personality onto Luke when he released he was goign to die?

    Or that he took control of Kirk and Luke, imprinted false memories of their killing him and has been controlling Luke ever since?